We Can’t Police These People

[Occam's Banana]

I dunno, NOT shoot her? I have slightly more faith in the NG to not shoot an unarmed woman because she's peeking through a barricade.

So far, at least, they can be trusted to not shoot an unarmed woman because she's gassing up her car.

So far ... (just in case that changes, though, you might want to put some degree of emphasis on the word "slightly" ...)

US Soldiers Force Women from Car at Gunpoint for Pumping Gas Past Curfew

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The national guard ordering women out of their car at gunpoint for pumping gas after curfew is most assuredly a national story — yet we couldn’t find a single mainstream media outlet who covered it.

[...]

https://twitter.com/GoddesstheMuse/status/1383245332557959168

NOTE: I'm assuming without further corroboration that the identification of the hut-hut-hutters as NG is correct here. As noted by the article, it's pretty much up to social media randos and the like to cover this sort of thing now - because apparently, all the "real" journalists are too busy with more urgent and important stories (like doxxing paramedics for giving ten bucks to Kyle Rittenhouse). So it might just be local cops playing at being soldiers - perhaps with all the toys they're getting from the DOD.

 

[phill4paul]

So far, at least, they can be trusted to not shoot an unarmed woman because she's gassing up her car.

So far ... (just in case that changes, though, you might want to put some degree of emphasis on the word "slightly" ...)

US Soldiers Force Women from Car at Gunpoint for Pumping Gas Past Curfew

[...]

The national guard ordering women out of their car at gunpoint for pumping gas after curfew is most assuredly a national story — yet we couldn’t find a single mainstream media outlet who covered it.

[...]

https://twitter.com/GoddesstheMuse/status/1383245332557959168

NOTE: I'm assuming without further corroboration that the identification of the hut-hut-hutters as NG is correct here. As noted by the article, it's pretty much up to Twitter randos to cover this sort of thing now - because apparently, all the "real" journalists are too busy with more urgent and important stories (like doxxing paramedics for giving ten bucks to Kyle Rittenhouse).

I'm guessing that not N.G. Even if so I don't see a magazine in the rifle. They generally are not authorized to carry ammo.

Otherwise this dude would have been out of luck, one man, with a pistol...

11 National Guard Soldiers transporting vaccines held at gunpoint in West Texas, suspect arrested

https://www.newschannel10.com/2021/...es-held-gunpoint-west-texas-suspect-arrested/

 

[jmdrake]

I wouldn't have a problem if they marched down the street shooting every rioter torching or looting businesses. If they won't do it let citizens defend property. Life, liberty, PROPERTY.

Ummmm....but the people at Waco were defending their own property and their right to bear arms and to have odd religious beliefs and they were attacked by national guard troops in helicopers and tanks. The Texas and the Alabama National Guard were involved. I'm not following your point here.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm guessing that not N.G. Even if so I don't see a magazine in the rifle. They generally are not authorized to carry ammo.

Otherwise this dude would have been out of luck, one man, with a pistol...

11 National Guard Soldiers transporting vaccines held at gunpoint in West Texas, suspect arrested

https://www.newschannel10.com/2021/...es-held-gunpoint-west-texas-suspect-arrested/

Okay. Let's go with your assumptions then. National Guard post Waco are completely trustworthy to always do what's right by the 'Merican people. So...there shouldn't be any problem with them staying in D.C. indefinitely to keep the peace. Then Rand Paul will be safe when next time he tries to walk home from an RNC speech and no more Asli Babbits will be shot in the neck when they try to jump through...I mean "peek" through a window.

 

[TheCount]

Democrat run cities in black 'hoods. It's not a 'whitey' conservative creation.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Do you think that violent crime has gone down in "democrat run cities in black 'hoods" because "the right to bear arms has gained strength and recognition?"

 

[phill4paul]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Do you think that violent crime has gone down in "democrat run cities in black 'hoods" because "the right to bear arms has gained strength and recognition?"

You seem to think, that your play buddies on RPF might still play with you in word games. No time for that anymore.

 

[Anti Federalist]

LOL at "Urban Decay"

https://twitter.com/Dolphinfan201/status/1386407117884563458

 

[TheCount]

You seem to think, that your play buddies on RPF might still play with you in word games.

All I was thinking is that we seem to agree... that the reason for the decrease in violent crime cannot be due to gun law changes because urban governments tend to be Democratic and they're not exactly keen to favor less restrictive gun laws.

But you phrased your post as though we disagree.

No time for that anymore.

Snrk. Sure thing.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

LOL at "Urban Decay"

https://twitter.com/Dolphinfan201/status/1386407117884563458

There’s some more of that headstomping.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Do you think that violent crime has gone down in "democrat run cities in black 'hoods" because "the right to bear arms has gained strength and recognition?"

I know it has gone down across the board.

More guns = less crime.

I never thought that was under question at all, at least not around here.

What are you trying to say?

That the vast bulk of violent crime that occurs in the US, does NOT occur in black populated urban areas?

 

[TheCount]

I know it has gone down across the board.

More guns = less crime.

The big drop in violent crime in the US happened before the start of that chart.

I never thought that was under question at all, at least not around here.

You're twisting your argument into something different. And you seem to be unable to answer my question.



Do you think that violent crime has gone down in "democrat run cities in black 'hoods" because "the right to bear arms has gained strength and recognition?"

 

[Anti Federalist]

Do you think that violent crime has gone down in "democrat run cities in black 'hoods" because "the right to bear arms has gained strength and recognition?"

Yes, I do, among other things.

Now, answer my question:

Is it your contention that the vast bulk of violent crime that occurs in the US, does NOT occur in black populated urban areas?

 

[TheCount]

Is it your contention that the vast bulk of violent crime that occurs in the US, does NOT occur in black populated urban areas?

No, the opposite.

How much has "the right to bear arms gained strength and recognition" in those places?

 

[Anti Federalist]

No, the opposite.

OK, just so we are clear here, you are saying that violent crime is NOT more prevalent in urban, black, cities?

If that is what you're saying, prove it.

How much has "the right to bear arms gained strength and recognition" in those places?

Very little in some areas, DC, Chicago, Camden, Baltimore to name a few off the top of my head.

A larger amount of strength and recognition in some of the cities that are in "pro second amendment" states that have adopted first, "shall issue" CCW systems and now, almost half the states that have "Constitutional Carry" laws in place.

As more people are armed, more crime is thwarted, many times without a shot being fired, which has lead to historic low crime rates, even with the recent uptick in violent crime due to Marxist revolution being declared.

 

[TheCount]

OK, just so we are clear here, you are saying that violent crime is NOT more prevalent in urban, black, cities?

I said "no, the opposite" of that.

The opposite of that is that violent crime IS more prevalent in urban areas.

Very little in some areas, DC, Chicago, Camden, Baltimore to name a few off the top of my head.

Exactly. We agree. So, as I said, it's not likely that increased gun rights and pro 2nd amendment movements have reduced violent crime in those areas. Those areas also have not become less diverse.


Then what DID reduce violent crime in those areas?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I said "no, the opposite" of that.

The opposite of that is that violent crime IS more prevalent in urban areas.

Right...got it.

Exactly. We agree. So, as I said, it's not likely that increased gun rights and pro 2nd amendment movements have reduced violent crime in those areas. Those areas also have not become less diverse.

Then what DID reduce violent crime in those areas?

I would say heavy handed police state policies, more than likely.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The big drop in violent crime in the US happened before the start of that chart.

No. The concealed carry wave started in the late 1980s. States went from may issues to shall issue. Some states went from no issue to may issue. It continues today with the constitutional carry wave.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No. The concealed carry wave started in the late 1980s. States went from may issues to shall issue. Some states went from no issue to may issue. It continues today with the constitutional carry wave.

You're right.

Florida was the first "Shall Issue" CCW state in 1987 IIRC.

Marion Hammer was behind that.

 

[TheCount]

I would say heavy handed police state policies, more than likely.

Okay...


If

People who are relatively the same on all those counts, tend to get along with each better and have no need for a heavy handed police system.

Why do we need heavy handed police state policies to prevent crime in "black" neighborhoods which are inhabited by people who are almost exclusively all the "same" as per your argument?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Why do we need heavy handed police state policies to prevent crime in "black" neighborhoods which are inhabited by people who are almost exclusively all the "same" as per your argument?

That's a good question.

Everybody else in the world seems to be able to.

Why do you suppose that is?

The ten nations with the highest "Intentional Homicide" rate, which, by the way, is up to ten times as high as ours, are all majority African black or Mestizo populated.