We Can Win Minnesota!

[69360]

Saying the campaign improved so much since the 2007/08 campaign, isn't really saying much. The fact is RP has the most passionate supporters, that are willing to give/do a lot for the campaign.
RP's problem is simply messaging, and I believe bad/terrible advice.
RP and/or his campaign did not go on Bill O'Reilly's show when invited (at least once). Why would you ignore the biggest "news" (zombies I know) audience on tv, and then complain about a media blackout? Makes NO sense.

As for running third party, it doesn't do anything, and is a waste of RP's time and the supporters' time.

O'Reilly is vehemently anti-Paul. Nothing good possibly could have come out of that.

The country needs an option to the current one party system, there's no difference anymore. A Ron Paul 3rd party run just might kick start that. It's not a waste of my time like this GOP primary is turning out to be.

 

[RDM]

So I guess we should quit and go home? Dude, you're not the only one who is disappointed. Watch the Paul supporters at the after hours caucus last night if you need a shot of courage and optimism. No offense but I find your defeatist attitude very disrespectful to all those folks who worked hard and voted for us in Iowa, NH, SC, Florida and yesterday in Nevada.

No we don't pack it up just yet. That's what the ostriches on the board want us to do because they will not face reality that our only major problem is voter turn out which is fixable. If everyone would take ownership of this problem and see to it that they personally make sure people within their circle of influence would get to the polls and vote, we address this problem and begin winning again. You see the ostriches want to re-invent the wheel and make excuses. The only excuse that's hurting this campaign is people will not take one simple step and that's get people in their car and personally drive them to the polls and vote. It's not rocket science.

 

[Mini-Me]

There's not much anyone can do at this point. The GOP race is winding down for Ron. The support to win it just isn't there.

Perhaps, but what good is lamenting it right now going to do? There was never much hope; only a fool's hope. What's the harm in continuing to try?

A win in a small caucus state like MN or ME isn't even going to put a dent in this race. It'd be nice though to show that the WHOLE country hasn't gone to hell.

A huge number of voters treat the nomination process like a horse race. The point of a first place finish isn't the finish in and of itself; it's about changing the perception of the race in other states. Just one first place finish in ANY state could make voters in subsequent caucus states take a second look. That may change everything and result in a couple more wins going into Super Tuesday, at which point anything can happen.

Now, if we don't get a win before Super Tuesday, we're pretty much screwed for the nomination...but why not cross that bridge when we come to it instead of trying to convince people to throw in the towel right now? Everyone here knows it's an uphill battle, but some of us aren't just ready to go cry in the corner yet.

Nah, the campaign did a great job. They improved so much since last time. There just isn't enough support to win a GOP primary.

3rd party run is the way to go now. It would really shake things up. I don't think he could win, but maybe a viable 3rd party would emerge.

I disagree about making a third party run before Super Tuesday, but does it matter? That decision is out of our hands. That's Ron's decision, so what's the point of armchair campaign management? As the grass roots, we have only three options going into the next few weeks: Keep trying for the nomination despite the odds, give up silently, or give up and crap all over everyone else's strained morale for no good reason. Let people at least try, for God's sake.

 

[nemt4paul]

Saying the campaign improved so much since the 2007/08 campaign, isn't really saying much. The fact is RP has the most passionate supporters, that are willing to give/do a lot for the campaign.
RP's problem is simply messaging, and I believe bad/terrible advice.
RP and/or his campaign did not go on Bill O'Reilly's show when invited (at least once). Why would you ignore the biggest "news" (zombies I know) audience on tv, and then complain about a media blackout? Makes NO sense.

As for running third party, it doesn't do anything, and is a waste of RP's time and the supporters' time.

Let's be honest.......everyone that is pissed that Ron hasn't ran a good enough campaign or his message isn't refined enough need to get their head out of the sand. Ron was never going to win this go around......NO WAY.

We live in a nation of sheep with the mainstream media ruling the day. It doesn't matter what TYPE of campaign Ron ran this time around, he wasn't going to win the nomination. He get's hammered by both sides continually.

He's changing minds one at a time. If Ron were to get elected at this point, his Presidency would be an utter disaster and he would be blamed for the whole thing. It's like Ron says "the people of this country have to change their minds about what the role of government ought to be". Until that happens (I won't be holding my breath), don't expect a Ron Paul presidency to be successful.

It's really that simple.

 

[The One]

Ron is last place in the PPP poll of MN. That's not going to translate to a win. I know people are hopeful and all but this is getting ridiculous. Some people are starting to behave like cult members.

The night time is the right time. The night time is the right time. The night time is the right time.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Let's be honest.......everyone that is pissed that Ron hasn't ran a good enough campaign or his message isn't refined enough need to get their head out of the sand. Ron was never going to win this go around......NO WAY.

We live in a nation of sheep with the mainstream media ruling the day. It doesn't matter what TYPE of campaign Ron ran this time around, he wasn't going to win the nomination. He get's hammered by both sides continually.

He's changing minds one at a time. If Ron were to get elected at this point, his Presidency would be an utter disaster and he would be blamed for the whole thing. It's like Ron says "the people of this country have to change their minds about what the role of government ought to be". Until that happens (I won't be holding my breath), don't expect a Ron Paul presidency to be successful.

It's really that simple.

Okay, so if this was simply about spreading the message of freedom/liberty/following the Constitution...why hasn't the campaign focused on more ads to address those issues, and help "change minds one at a time.", instead of a lot of attack ads?

Do I believe we live in a nation of sheep? LOL, you should see some of the videos I did back in 2007/08, here's one:


Do I believe the campaign has failed on fronts that would have helped/solved some areas of reluctance to some voters? 100%. It is these areas that I honestly don't know why/how they have failed to address, and it now seems like it's millions more down the drain.

 

[Mickeys]

James MAdison is either intentionally being ignorant, or just is ignorant...the point of hte comment you are replying to is that "doing better than 2008" doesn't mean jack shit without an actual win. And going back in hindsight and saying "Well...we didn't really expect to win any of these states" is absurd when you just have to go back a few pages ion this very forum and see that you DID think he was going to do better in many of them..

Many threads redicting a close second in Nevada. No matter how it turns out with 2nd place, it is less than half of Romney. So don't change history and say that no one expected better.

And worse..al the scenarios that figured on Ron Paul getting enough delegates were BASED on these best case scenarios ALL playing out. None of which have except for maybe one state.

 

[coffeewithchess]

James MAdison is either intentionally being ignorant, or just is ignorant...the point of hte comment you are replying to is that "doing better than 2008" doesn't mean jack shit without an actual win. And going back in hindsight and saying "Well...we didn't really expect to win any of these states" is absurd when you just have to go back a few pages ion this very forum and see that you DID think he was going to do better in many of them..

Many threads redicting a close second in Nevada. No matter how it turns out with 2nd place, it is less than half of Romney. So don't change history and say that no one expected better.

And worse..al the scenarios that figured on Ron Paul getting enough delegates were BASED on these best case scenarios ALL playing out. None of which have except for maybe one state.

Yea, I know the campaign is hoping that Gingrich wins a lot of the southern states, as Doug Wead mentioned in an interview yesterday...so, as I said yesterday, if the strategy the campaign is betting on is a brokered convention, should we RP supporters start voting for Gingrich instead of RP and helping Gingrich carry certain states?

 

[69360]

Yea, I know the campaign is hoping that Gingrich wins a lot of the southern states, as Doug Wead mentioned in an interview yesterday...so, as I said yesterday, if the strategy the campaign is betting on is a brokered convention, should we RP supporters start voting for Gingrich instead of RP and helping Gingrich carry certain states?

No that's stupid. Vote for the candidate you believe in. Betting on some mythical brokered convention is crazy.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Love the PPP quote up top!

Listen, PPP is a hardcore Democratic group, but I know they have a soft spot for Paul and Pauler Republicans. They aren't trying to mislead us here. We need to be sure and listen to them. I think they recognize that shifting the GOP towards Paul would severely curtail the acrimony tearing the country apart.

In any case, the other three Republican candidates can assue PPP is an enemy. That is not an assumption that the Paul campaign and we should make.

It is critical that we reach the PCC with what PPP is saying here.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yea, I know the campaign is hoping that Gingrich wins a lot of the southern states, as Doug Wead mentioned in an interview yesterday...so, as I said yesterday, if the strategy the campaign is betting on is a brokered convention, should we RP supporters start voting for Gingrich instead of RP and helping Gingrich carry certain states?

Absolutely not, that would kill the very strategy we are working, as without delegates Paul goes nowhere. We need every last one of our voters to vote Paul because we need every delegate we can muster to make the brokered convention strategy work.

 

[RDM]

Absolutely not, that would kill the very strategy we are working, as without delegates Paul goes nowhere. We need every last one of our voters to vote Paul because we need every delegate we can muster to make the brokered convention strategy work.

Thanks Gunny. Everyday on this forum you read some poster calling out about "retarded women" don't vote Ron Paul. Dumb neo-cons don't vote Ron Paul. Stupid "old people" don't vote Ron Paul. When in fact half the "retards" are on this forum.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Will we win Minnesota? Depends on how they count the votes.

 

[RDM]

Will we win Minnesota? Depends on how they count the votes.

No!!! It depends on if people in MN do this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ersonally-get-friends-family-to-voting-booths.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Thanks Gunny. Everyday on this forum you read some poster calling out about "retarded women" don't vote Ron Paul. Dumb neo-cons don't vote Ron Paul. Stupid "old people" don't vote Ron Paul. When in fact half the "retards" are on this forum.

I'm just trying to figure out an alternative strategy for a brokered convention, if Maine and Minnesota fail to help us. Doug Wead was the one that mentioned Newt and brokered convention in the same sentence...so I guess listening to a campaign adviser hoping for a brokered convention with Newt winning states is stupid:


Or, we could continue to vote for RP, and place 2nd/3rd behind Romney, with no hopes of a brokered convention when Newt drops out.

 

[SpicyTurkey]

Kids are the least reliable voting block. Historically when you rely on them, you lose.

As we are seeing now.

Take your negativity somewhere else. So far you have said nothing to remedy the crap you've been spewing. All you have been doing is crapping on others.

 

[Sentinelrv]

Wow, some of the people in this thread are just way too negative. It's not over yet. We still have caucus states like Minnesota and Maine left to work on. If we can win any of these states, it will create a shift in a new direction heading into Super Tuesday. But we can't do that if people keep coming into this thread with their negativity. It's like they're trying to bring everyone else down with them. If you're going to give up, then go away and leave us in peace to continue working on the caucus states. Enthusiam is what will motivate people to work hard, not negativity. You are only hindering the campaign in Minnesota.

 

[James Madison]

To put everything into perspective, here are the results from 2008.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=MN

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm just trying to figure out an alternative strategy for a brokered convention, if Maine and Minnesota fail to help us. Doug Wead was the one that mentioned Newt and brokered convention in the same sentence...so I guess listening to a campaign adviser hoping for a brokered convention with Newt winning states is stupid:


Or, we could continue to vote for RP, and place 2nd/3rd behind Romney, with no hopes of a brokered convention when Newt drops out.

First, mentioning two concepts in close proximity does not imply a given relationship. Second, Newt has said time and time again that he is in the race until the convention. Third, if we are pursuing a brokered convention strategy, it is in our best interest for Gingrich and Romney to be evenly split.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Take your negativity somewhere else. So far you have said nothing to remedy the crap you've been spewing. All you have been doing is crapping on others.

To be honest, sometimes you have to be realistic. It is exceptionally critical right now, because a Minnesota victory hinges on getting the 18-29's out to caucus, and historically kids don't vote.

We need to make history and reverse that. We CAN make history and reverse that, but not if we are unwilling to face reality.

Dig out the crosstabs from the PPP poll and come up with a number. A target number whether by % or by hard quantity of 18-29's that we have to get to the polls and then work our posteriors off making that number.

But if we just lay back and pretend that the youth vote turnout problem doesn't exist, we aren't going to make history and we aren't going to go anywhere.

Optimism is great, but to be effective it has to be tempered with realism. The reality is kids don't vote and we need to change that for this election on Tuesday. I believe we CAN, but not if we bury our head in the sand and pretend the youth turnout problem doesn't exist.