We Can Win Minnesota!

[69360]

Ron is last place in the PPP poll of MN. That's not going to translate to a win. I know people are hopeful and all but this is getting ridiculous. Some people are starting to behave like cult members.

 

[James Madison]

Ron is last place in the PPP poll of MN. That's not going to translate to a win. I know people are hopeful and all but this is getting ridiculous. Some people are starting to behave like cult members.

There's a big difference when last place is only 10% behind first. We got 16% four years ago so I don't understand how we pull anything less than low-mid 20s.

 

[69360]

There's a big difference when last place is only 10% behind first. We got 16% four years ago so I don't understand how we pull anything less than low-mid 20s.

Just like he was going to win IA and win NV with 22,000 firm votes?

It's going to a be another 3rd or 4th.

 

[ZanZibar]

Ron is last place in the PPP poll of MN. That's not going to translate to a win. I know people are hopeful and all but this is getting ridiculous. Some people are starting to behave like cult members.

I think the point was that 37% of the likely caucus goers are still undecided. Which means it could swing to a win if the right buttons are pushed.

But again, the straw poll is not it, what is it is the delegate selection process.

 

[carterm]

Just like he was going to win IA and win NV with 22,000 firm votes?

It's going to a be another 3rd or 4th.

ok if our goal was to win iowa, we came close. we can come close here (where we did better than iowa in 2008)
also, no one really expected us to win NV with mitt mormon around

 

[James Madison]

Just like he was going to win IA and win NV with 22,000 firm votes?

It's going to a be another 3rd or 4th.

The 22,000 number was a heresay.

Paul WOULD have won Iowa had the media not run a 24-hour Santorum lovefest while pouring on the bogus newsletter fable.

 

[69360]

I think the point was that 37% of the likely caucus goers are still undecided. Which means it could swing to a win if the right buttons are pushed.

But again, the straw poll is not it, what is it is the delegate selection process.

The delegate stuff is getting silly. Romney will have a sizable lead before it goes to winner take all. Once it's winner take all Romney will lock down the nomination quickly. Gingrich and Santorum are going to fold and endorse Romney soon enough.

All this win the delegates nonsense is selling people a bill of goods.

 

[djfirm]

Ron is last place in the PPP poll of MN. That's not going to translate to a win. I know people are hopeful and all but this is getting ridiculous. Some people are starting to behave like cult members.

I had people jump all over me when I suggested the DOW was reversing its negative trend and heading back up. Thats whu I hardly ever post here even though I joined in 08. People are actually saying 3rd is where we want to be and shit like that. Good grief.

 

[tsetsefly]

You cannot be serious? LOL

Oh dear help us all, many RPF members still don't get it. We are losing because all we do is take into account the youth vote.

Yup, and you can work on older voters in other elections, not 1 day before the vote... it's all about GOTV

 

[69360]

Yup, and you can work on older voters in other elections, not 1 day before the vote... it's all about GOTV

Kids are the least reliable voting block. Historically when you rely on them, you lose.

As we are seeing now.

 

[coffeewithchess]

The 22,000 number was a heresay.

Paul WOULD have won Iowa had the media not run a 24-hour Santorum lovefest while pouring on the bogus newsletter fable.

Well, that blame can be placed 100% on the RP campaign for not being prepared. They had a full 2-weeks when it was obvious, to prepare for Santorum, and they had a full 20 years to prepare for the newsletters...
The handling (or not handling) of the newsletters issue, and the fact they attacked Santorum AFTER Iowa, shows incompetence on the campaign.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Polls is the death of us... people believe the polls so much that when they see Ron at last place.. they dont bother to vote or change their votes at last minute. Seriously, these polls are quite lame and is a type of psychological manipulation.

How about Free Chipotle for people who go caucus for Ron Paul? lol. Use our donations to buy vouchers from Chipotle for free burrito ^^.

 

[Mini-Me]

Kids are the least reliable voting block. Historically when you rely on them, you lose.

As we are seeing now.

...and your solution is what, convert a whole bunch of stubborn old people en masse in a week's time?

You're right that kids are the least reliable voting block, but our other options aren't exactly low-hanging fruit either. Since converting people is more of a long-term project, it makes perfect sense that our last-minute goal should be to get as many current supporters to the polls as possible. You can call it a losing proposition all you want, but until you offer a realistic last-minute winning proposition which the grass roots is actually capable of, it doesn't exactly help to incessantly make snarky comments about how we're failing to GOTV.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

We CAN win Minnesota, or be so close that we are clearly near tied, in a close run.

We need a win. We need a win. We need a win.

A close, damn near First, Second place finish is not winning.

The only thing that can change the face of this race in a WIN.

 

[ssjevot]

Well, that blame can be placed 100% on the RP campaign for not being prepared. They had a full 2-weeks when it was obvious, to prepare for Santorum, and they had a full 20 years to prepare for the newsletters...
The handling (or not handling) of the newsletters issue, and the fact they attacked Santorum AFTER Iowa, shows incompetence on the campaign.

Paul's biggest problem is most definitely his campaign management, but this was a longshot for him to begin with. It's disappointing the campaign mismanaged it and has put us in this position but the demographics are promising for future liberty candidates. I think we need to rally behind some sort of third party (hopefully Ron) to show the GOP that if they don't change their message we don't vote for them.

 

[69360]

...and your solution is what, convert a whole bunch of stubborn old people en masse in a week's time?

You're right that kids are the least reliable voting block, but our other options aren't exactly low-hanging fruit either.

There's not much anyone can do at this point. The GOP race is winding down for Ron. The support to win it just isn't there.

We need a win. We need a win. We need a win.

A close, damn near First, Second place finish is not winning.

The only thing that can change the face of this race in a WIN.

A win in a small caucus state like MN or ME isn't even going to put a dent in this race. It'd be nice though to show that the WHOLE country hasn't gone to hell.

Paul's biggest problem is most definitely his campaign management, but this was a longshot for him to begin with. It's disappointing the campaign mismanaged it and has put us in this position but the demographics are promising for future liberty candidates. I think we need to rally behind some sort of third party (hopefully Ron) to show the GOP that if they don't change their message we don't vote for them.

Nah, the campaign did a great job. They improved so much since last time. There just isn't enough support to win a GOP primary.

3rd party run is the way to go now. It would really shake things up. I don't think he could win, but maybe a viable 3rd party would emerge.

 

[jacmicwag]

The delegate stuff is getting silly. Romney will have a sizable lead before it goes to winner take all. Once it's winner take all Romney will lock down the nomination quickly. Gingrich and Santorum are going to fold and endorse Romney soon enough.

All this win the delegates nonsense is selling people a bill of goods.

So I guess we should quit and go home? Dude, you're not the only one who is disappointed. Watch the Paul supporters at the after hours caucus last night if you need a shot of courage and optimism. No offense but I find your defeatist attitude very disrespectful to all those folks who worked hard and voted for us in Iowa, NH, SC, Florida and yesterday in Nevada.

 

[Aigik]

I was excited about the youth vote at one time, but failure after failure is proving that you just can't rely on the youth vote to win a campaign. Most of them just don't vote. Believe me, I've been trying to get as many people as I know to vote, but many of them refuse to vote for REALLY stupid reasons. For example, one guy I know, I tried to get him to vote and his reason is: "I don't vote." "Why not?" "Because I just don't vote". /facepalm

 

[69360]

So I guess we should quit and go home? Dude, you're not the only one who is disappointed. Watch the Paul supporters at the after hours caucus last night if you need a shot of courage and optimism. No offense but I find your defeatist attitude very disrespectful to all those folks who worked hard and voted for us in Iowa, NH, SC, Florida and yesterday in Nevada.

Optimism for what? Ron is not going to win the GOP primary, that couldn't be clearer. We should all however stand on our principles, do what's right and vote for him.

No, what bothers me is telling people that there is some top secret strategy to get all the delegates and win a brokered convention. That's not going to happen. If you have people donating all sorts of money and time promising them such a thing would work, it's just wrong.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Nah, the campaign did a great job. They improved so much since last time. There just isn't enough support to win a GOP primary.

3rd party run is the way to go now. It would really shake things up. I don't think he could win, but maybe a viable 3rd party would emerge.

Saying the campaign improved so much since the 2007/08 campaign, isn't really saying much. The fact is RP has the most passionate supporters, that are willing to give/do a lot for the campaign.
RP's problem is simply messaging, and I believe bad/terrible advice.
RP and/or his campaign did not go on Bill O'Reilly's show when invited (at least once). Why would you ignore the biggest "news" (zombies I know) audience on tv, and then complain about a media blackout? Makes NO sense.

As for running third party, it doesn't do anything, and is a waste of RP's time and the supporters' time.