Water Vapor is 97% of Greenhouse Gases on Earth; Man's CO2 is 1% !!!

[Sola_Fide]

Except for that little thing that happens when we have too much water vapor... what is it called again? oh, RAIN.


98/100 climate scientists are not in a worldwide conspiracy to promote climate change, deniers. Please, that notion is more than childish, it's irresponsible. The science is settled, that is a fact. Please research before making ridiculous claims about water vapor that you have no idea about.

I feel sorry for you dude. I hope one day the scales drop from your eyes.

 

[Diurdi]

Even minimal changes do have impact. Common sense unfortunately does not have too big of a place within science. But when people are using science to tell you how you must live, then red flags should rise.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Sixteen very distinguished scientists publish a letter in the Wall Street Journal stating that CO2 (even at 10x the current amount) is beneficial, not harmful, global warming alarmism is motivated by money and power, and that governments fund academics who promote alarmism because it justifies more political control and higher taxes.
WSJ Posted 2012 Jan 31 (Cached)

 

[Simple]

Prof. Horst Malberg: Climate Change At Most 10% Because Of CO2 – Dominated by The Sun

http://www.prisonplanet.com/prof-ho...10-because-of-co2-–-dominated-by-the-sun.html

A better source for this would be the CLOUD experiment published by CERN. Not only do they say that solar variation is the major driver of climate, but the experiment also explains some of the chemical reactions caused by solar radiation that leads to cloud formation.

 

[Simple]

Except for that little thing that happens when we have too much water vapor... what is it called again? oh, RAIN.


98/100 climate scientists are not in a worldwide conspiracy to promote climate change, deniers. Please, that notion is more than childish, it's irresponsible. The science is settled, that is a fact. Please research before making ridiculous claims about water vapor that you have no idea about.

These same climate scientists now say that we are entering a cooling cycle. I guess that means they don't have to try to hide the decline anymore, LOL. I've asked a couple climate scientists personally to refute this article and the best they can do it downplay it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html

 

[LeJimster]

Except for that little thing that happens when we have too much water vapor... what is it called again? oh, RAIN.


98/100 climate scientists are not in a worldwide conspiracy to promote climate change, deniers. Please, that notion is more than childish, it's irresponsible. The science is settled, that is a fact. Please research before making ridiculous claims about water vapor that you have no idea about.

I'm sorry, but you are living in a cave on this. Anyone who possess' logic can do the math and see that co2/global warming is a fraud. It was designed to benefit the powerful and make them even more so. The push to deal with carbon emissions is the biggest fraud of the century and the many thousands of independent thinkers & scientists dispute the pro-global warming sharlatens getting rich off this lie.

I personally do not believe 98% believe the myth. But just pretend for a second they do, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. You would have thought we as a human species would have learned by now not to be absolutists. For the earth was flat right? And the center of the universe..

More recently during the 70's Scientists said we were heading for another ice age, that never happened and most recently we were experiencing man made global warming. Only to find out in the last 15 years the earth has been *cooling*. And if you look at the graphs we see a cyclical natural pattern with hotter periods, followed by cooler periods. And what causes these? Primarily the Sun. And what do all pro-man made warming theorists conveniently ommit from their data? Indeed, the Sun. If that doesn't throw up a red herring I don't know what would.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Excellent! Thank you!

 

[WilliamC]

Global Warming?

Try Solar System Warming.

Man-made pollution and environmental destruction I worry about.

Man-made global warming I laugh about.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/scientists-trace-heat-wave-to-massive-star-at-cent,21088/

Scientists Trace Heat Wave To Massive Star At Center Of Solar System

According to scientists, the large star could be described as a tremendous ball of energy.

PASADENA, CA—Groundbreaking new findings announced Monday suggest the record-setting heat wave plaguing much of the United States may be due to radiation emitted from an enormous star located in the center of the solar system.

Scientists believe the star, which they have named G2V65, may in fact be the same bright yellow orb seen arcing over the sky day after day, and given its extreme heat and proximity to Earth, it is likely not only to have caused the heat wave, but to be responsible for every warm day in human history.

"Our measurements indicate the massive amount of energy this thing gives off is able to travel 93 million miles and reach our planet is as little as eight and a half minutes," said Professor Mitch Kivens, an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology. "While we can't see them, we're fairly certain these infrared rays strike Earth's surface, become trapped by the atmosphere, and just heat everything up like a great big oven."

"We originally thought that if this star was producing temperatures of 100-plus in the South and Midwest, it must be at least 100 degrees itself," Kivens added. "But it turns out it's far, far hotter than that, with a surface temperature of nearly 10,900 degrees Fahrenheit."

Kivens and his CalTech colleagues said this intense radiation, which results from constant nuclear reactions converting hydrogen to helium in the star's core, could also account for why the orb in the sky is extremely bright and difficult to stare at directly.

While scientists initially assumed the heat and luminescence of the star must make it the largest in the universe—a theory lent credence by the star appearing much bigger than other objects in the sky—they said the data actually appear to refute such a notion.

"Apparently it's gigantic simply because it's closer to us than any other star," Kivens said. "Which would also account for why we feel this particular star's heat during the day but are not warmed by the tiny blinking stars we see at night."

"It's interesting stuff," he added.

According to Kivens, the discovery has prompted researchers to explore the possibility that a variety of phenomena accompanying the heat wave could also be linked to the star, including taller grass, hot car seats, red skin burns, and sweating "even when one has just been standing there and hasn't been running around or anything."

An additional study is reportedly being conducted to determine if the unexplained shrinking of puddles until they disappear may be caused by star-hotness soaking up all the loose water. Moreover, scientists reportedly believe the heat emitted from the glowing orb could potentially be the reason why it is uncomfortable to walk on asphalt barefoot.

When asked if anything could be done to prevent or counteract the star's heat production, Kivens expressed skepticism.

"No, for the foreseeable future, I think we're locked into orbit with this thing," he said. "Although the star seems to disappear every night, 24-hour reports from around the world seem to indicate the star never leaves Earth entirely."

Residents of heat- and drought-stricken regions welcomed the findings, thankful to finally have an explanation for the high temperatures, if no relief from them.

"That makes sense, because it's usually hotter when that [star] is up in the air," said Stillwater, OK resident Asher Arps, 31, speaking to reporters as temperature rose to 110 degrees over the weekend. "I knew it lit things up, of course, but I didn't realize it could make things hot."

"The big star heats the earth, and the moon cools it—I get it," he added.

As to potential applications of the new discovery, experts acknowledge the possibilities could be limitless.

"This is a watershed moment," renewable energy specialist Dr. Martin Flint said. "Who knows where this could lead? Perhaps we could develop a method of harnessing these big star rays and transforming them into some sort of ecologically friendly power source."

"Wait, what am I saying?" he said, laughing. "I'm getting ahead of myself. We still don't understand how it's possible for that thing to be up in the sky in January when it's freezing outside."

Worry about what we can control, not what you think we should control.

 

[gerryb]

A lot of you have seemed to fall into the trap conceding that CO2 levels have risen... While that is technically accurate, how meaningful is the change?

You'll hear that they have "increased by 25%" etc.

But, by volume, how much has it actually increased? IT has gone from around 280 parts per million(ppm) to just under 400ppm.

What does this mean?

It means carbon dioxide has gone from being 0.0280% of our atmosphere to now become 0.0400%.

If a change of this minuscule amount ends life as we know it on earth... We don't stand a chance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere

 

[Liberty74]

Man made global warming is a complete fraud. If one looks at the last 420,000 years and the temperature chart, there are about 4 major global cooling periods that take about 100K years to reach (with mini warming and cooling periods on the way down) and then a straight up global warming line (always reaching the same peak point in all instances). The last global warming period happened about 20K years ago and the temperature has remained somewhat flat.

Scientists aren't even sure if CO2 causes the warming or if CO2 trails the warming. Also, there is more evidence that the solar system and the sun control the temperature than my 2004 Honda Civic. Fraudster and anti-human Gore only concentrates on the last 100 or so years because he can make a case for man made global warming but if you look over the 420,000 years, he has no case. Man couldn't change the temperature if we tried. It's all natural and out of our control.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Excellent points everyone! Thank you!

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Scientists Trace Heat Wave To Massive Star At Center Of Solar System



Thanks, WilliamC!

 

[gerryb]

Scientists Trace Heat Wave To Massive Star At Center Of Solar System



Thanks, WilliamC!

This is the argument I always use with global warming folks...

I simply ask is it possible that there is an alternative cause to global warming.. After letting them flounder for a few minutes explaining why CO2 levels are the only possible explanation.. I ask about the big fireball in the sky

If we actually cared about the environment, we would be going after things we can measure, like mercury in the water, or MBTE in ta reservoir, or other toxic wastes etc. -- Progress can be measured on actual pollution cleanup.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

The global-warming hoax is evident in this year's incredibly cold winter in Europe. The big freeze now is responsible for over 500 deaths. [Some observers say this is because unreliable wind power has failed to produce enough heat for homes and businesses. In the US, the EPA is closing coal plants, and it is feared that the same result eventually will follow.] Canada Free Press 2012 Feb 13 (Cached)

From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Polar bears and penguins are thriving while Arctic sea ice and Asian glaciers are increasing. Global-warming myth makers are proven wrong again.InfoWars 2012 Apr 16 (Cached)

 

[awake]

Why do those who disagree on the actual crises get called "deniers"? Can we start calling the psudio scientists and political "researchers" climate deceivers?

Who's in?

The climate is always changing; its the crises that never shows up when they need it. Which is why they need constant media propaganda.

I was reading the notes and papers from the father of Earth Day, Gaylord Nelson. Summary: too many people, not enough resources and we should all be dead 10 years ago blah, blah, blah...

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Data shows that the average Arctic ice thickness was the same in 1940 as it is now (6.5 feet). [So what were you saying about global warming, Mr. Gore?]Real Science 2012 May 7 (Cached)

From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm sorry, but you are living in a cave on this. Anyone who possess' logic can do the math and see that co2/global warming is a fraud. It was designed to benefit the powerful and make them even more so. The push to deal with carbon emissions is the biggest fraud of the century and the many thousands of independent thinkers & scientists dispute the pro-global warming sharlatens getting rich off this lie.

I personally do not believe 98% believe the myth. But just pretend for a second they do, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. You would have thought we as a human species would have learned by now not to be absolutists. For the earth was flat right? And the center of the universe..

More recently during the 70's Scientists said we were heading for another ice age, that never happened and most recently we were experiencing man made global warming. Only to find out in the last 15 years the earth has been *cooling*. And if you look at the graphs we see a cyclical natural pattern with hotter periods, followed by cooler periods. And what causes these? Primarily the Sun. And what do all pro-man made warming theorists conveniently ommit from their data? Indeed, the Sun. If that doesn't throw up a red herring I don't know what would.

Nobody knows what the center of the universe is. I happen to think it may be the earth. The fallacy you're referring to is the fact that some used to believe it was the center of the solar system.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The global-warming hoax is evident in this year's incredibly cold winter in Europe. The big freeze now is responsible for over 500 deaths. [Some observers say this is because unreliable wind power has failed to produce enough heat for homes and businesses. In the US, the EPA is closing coal plants, and it is feared that the same result eventually will follow.] Canada Free Press 2012 Feb 13 (Cached)

From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

No! Don't you get it? Climate change causes hot AND cold weather, so we can't possibly be wrong!

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Global-warming tax advocate, James Hansen, admits that global warming is caused primarily by sources other than man-made greenhouse gases from fossil fuels. [Think about that. If the carbon tax is not designed to reduce environmental pollution, then it must be to provide another source of tax revenue and to allow more government control over society.]OccupyCorporatism 2012 Jun 4 (Cached)