Watch what Happens when a Pair of Girls Open-Carry in a Walmart

@ 4:30: businesses have a right to refuse someone? Does that mean that a business can discriminate against someone because they're exercising their Constitutional 2nd Amendment right?

Interesting. Well how about someone exercising their Constitutional 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion? Can businesses discriminate against them, too? I'd be interested to hear of any stories where the police are asking a person wearing a cross on a necklace, a woman wearing a burqa, a man wearing a kippa, a man in orange robes, or other religion-based issues, for their papers, giving them lectures, asking why they're being filmed, etc. because the business owner has a right to refuse someone. Can businesses also tell people to remove their religious articles or clothing?
 
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QFish said:
I am one of the two girls who was open carrying in this incident. This was a first after open carrying for almost a year, so we were quite surprised.
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Welcome.. and Thank You for your service.

On the issue of "if people are alarmed".

That is their problem,, and Dispatchers need to be informed and to inform the callers that carrying a firearm is perfectly legal. And unless there is some actual crime,, police should not be involved.
 
In all fairness, people just got the ability to carry firearms in many Midwestern states, including MO and KS, a few years ago. The Midwest has been historically, 1 of the 2 most anti-gun parts of the country (the other is the South). Of course, the police officer WAS in the WRONG. I don't disagree with that. Oh now. Young ladies with guns!!! Let's all panic. :eek:
 
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QFish said:
I am one of the two girls who was open carrying in this incident. This was a first after open carrying for almost a year, so we were quite surprised.
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Nice to see you around here again :) Come back more often! We met in Tampa at Paulfest.
 
Keith and stuff said:
In all fairness, people just got the ability to carry firearms in many Midwestern states, including MO and KS a few years ago. The Midwest has been historically, 1 of the 2 most anti-gun parts of the country (the other is the South). Of course, the police officer WAS in the WRONG. I don't disagree with that. Oh now. Young ladies with guns!!! Let's all panic. :eek:
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Correction. They just got the ability to Conceal Carry in Missouri.
Open Carry has been legal for years,,

I open carried 30+ years ago,, and had nothing but polite contact with LE back then. And only two establishments ever asked me to leave.
One was a small supermarket and one bar.. Three other bars I gave the gun to the bartender while I was there,, one other one welcomed it with no questions. (they showed me where the "house" guns were located)
Other stores and most people didn't bat an eye.
 
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It will only be a "scene" until a large minority are carrying. Then, it will be as eventful as seeing some people with sandals on.
 
ClydeCoulter said:
It will only be a "scene" until a large minority are carrying. Then, it will be as eventful as seeing some people with sandals on.
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A visible firearm should be as common as a hat.

I have said that before,, and you can quote me. ;)
 
pcosmar said:
Correction. They just got the ability to Conceal Carry in Missouri.
Open Carry has been legal for years,,

I open carried 30+ years ago,, and had nothing but polite contact with LE back then. And only two establishments ever asked me to leave.
One was a small supermarket and one bar.. Three other bars I gave the gun to the bartender while I was there,, one other one welcomed it with no questions. (they showed me where the "house" guns were located)
Other stores and most people didn't bat an eye.
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True. The state of MO has allowed open carry for a long time. Some localities regulate it, though :(
 
Neil Desmond said:
@ 4:30: businesses have a right to refuse someone? Does that mean that a business can discriminate against someone because they're exercising their Constitutional 2nd Amendment right?

Interesting. Well how about someone exercising their Constitutional 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion? Can businesses discriminate against them, too? I'd be interested to hear of any stories where the police are asking a person wearing a cross on a necklace, a woman wearing a burqa, a man wearing a kippa, a man in orange robes, or other religion-based issues, for their papers, giving them lectures, asking why they're being filmed, etc. because the business owner has a right to refuse someone. Can businesses also tell people to remove their religious articles or clothing?
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Neither the First nor Second amendments apply to private entitites. They only apply to government entitites. Businesses are prohibited from certain kinds of discrimination as a result of Federal statutes, such as Title 7 of the Civil Rights act. That would include race and religion, but not speech nor possession of a firearm.
 
Acala said:
Neither the First nor Second amendments apply to private entitites. They only apply to government entitites. Businesses are prohibited from certain kinds of discrimination as a result of Federal statutes, such as Title 7 of the Civil Rights act. That would include race and religion, but not speech nor possession of a firearm.
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Do I have a right to protect myself on your property? I understand that I can leave, but if I'm attacked while on your property then can I protect myself?
 
ClydeCoulter said:
Do I have a right to protect myself on your property? I understand that I can leave, but if I'm attacked while on your property then can I protect myself?
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That would be a question of State law since self-defense is recognized as a legal defense to murder, assault etc. and those are state law crimes. In any event, I can ask you to leave my property for ANY reason not specifically prohibited. I don't think I could invite you onto my property and then demand that you expose yourself to the kind of attack that would justify violent self-defense, but I could ask you to leave.

I could also limit the invitation such that you agree to abandon your right to self-defense in exchange for being allowed on my property.
 
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QFish said:
I am one of the two girls who was open carrying in this incident. This was a first after open carrying for almost a year, so we were quite surprised.
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A question arose in another place I posted the video, and we were just wondering.... did anyone from WalMart ask you or your group to leave prior to the LEOs arriving? :confused:
 
Acala said:
That would be a question of State law since self-defense is recognized as a legal defense to murder, assault etc. and those are state law crimes. In any event, I can ask you to leave my property for ANY reason not specifically prohibited. I don't think I could invite you onto my property and then demand that you expose yourself to the kind of attack that would justify violent self-defense, but I could ask you to leave.

I could also limit the invitation such that you agree to abandon your right to self-defense in exchange for being allowed on my property.
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I wasn't talking about state laws, but principle.

So, if you require people to give up their right to defense on your property, and they get hurt or killed by someone, is there any responsibility on your part? (think a party or gathering or any situation).
 
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ClydeCoulter said:
I wasn't talking about state laws, but principle.

So, if you require people to give up their right to defense on your property, and they get hurt or killed, is there any responsibility on your part? (think a party or gathering or any situation).
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Okay, speaking principle, not law: I can put any restriction on entry onto my property I want. If you don't like it, don't enter. If you enter with knowledge of the restriction, you consented to it. Any potential responsibility would be in tort. If you are hurt or killed by another person's INTENTIONAL act, I don't think people who did not intend you harm should be held responsible, including the property owner.
 
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