Doktor_Jeep
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I was there.
Congressional District 2, Legislative District 39. Snohomish.
We knew we were not going to win this delegate battle, so we displayed "party unity" to get at least a few Ron Paul delegates (one of which they tried to bribe already) on the slate and then it was time for party plank.
On the plank, we waged a major battle to to get the Second Amendment specifically recognized. Then we attempted to get an amendment against the Veterans Disarmament Act and that failed. It appears McCain's supporters favor disarming combat veterans.
The real fight came over the resolutions.
There were 2 stacks of resolutions. One stack marked "Y" for yes, and the other marked "N" for no. The Y stack was full of the usual Republican fluff. Border security, strong defense, etc.
We all voted to pass the Y pile as a whole, because we wanted to get the N pile worked on. This was AFTER failing to get to the N pile first.
You see, the N pile of resolutions had things in it like the anti-undeclared-war resolution, and other Paulian goodies like getting rid of the Income tax, no Real ID, and telling the UN to shove it.
So after giving the McCain people what they wanted, so to get what we wanted - a chance to vote on the N pile, the McCain people were then instructed by the suit-wearing traitorous hacks to leave the floor. I saw Geri Modrell, Snohomish County Republican Chair, go up to the 3 McCain supporters in front of me, whisper something to them, and they got up and left.
We thought a deal was struck. Aesops Scorpion comes to mind. I knew it was going to happen when I discovered there was a deal.
You see, the McCain people were using two groups of people with red and yellow hats, and large YES and NO signs to tell all McCain delegates what to vote on each issue. The Ron Paul delegates did not have that. There was something similar to it, we all had a leader to look to for "advice" on the floor but the voting went very fast and there was too much chaos. What the McCain people and delegates did was not illegal, by the way. In fact it's done often in conventions like this.
Part of the deal however was that Ron Paul delegates would agree on the "unity slate" of delegates (that had some Ron Paul delegates on it, which was better than nothing) and in return, the McCain people would dump the signs and the hats and allow the delegates to vote like real Americans, not votebots.
It was over the resolutions where they showed their true colors. The N pile was full of all the truly conservative subjects that the Republican party has abandoned over the years, since Reagan. But it was obvious what was going to happen after they showed their support for taking guns away from the men and women who served our country and "fought for freedom" as the neocons put it.
The idea of leaving was to deny quorum. With too few people, there would be no quorum and therefore the convention would be finished. So we did a head count, and the McCain people thought there were not enough of us, and we had enough to continue.
To the credit of some McCain delegates, they did not obey the party hacks and they stayed. Yes, even a McCain delegate can have some integrity sometimes.
What was interesting was at the point that we found we still had a quorum. I saw roughly a dozen people - McCain operatives and lemmings, go running out to get the McCain delegates back in. Seeing the looks on their faces was a great thing. I would imagine it to be comparable to the expression of a rapist right before he gets shot by an intended victim.
During the time it took for the McCain delegates to come running back in - and it took time because most of them are miserable old codgers who have raped and ruined this country for a generation and are not good on their feet - we managed to pass that anti-war resolution. We concentrated on that. We stabbed the devil in the heart.
Then once they were back in place, the games started again and they began to tie up the convention with dilutory moves. On Friday the Ron Paul people asked many times for a roll call vote and Luke Esser, the convention chair at that time, never allowed a vote on it. What he did was illegal.
So for a massive delaying tactic the McCain people managed to get a roll call vote to end the convention. They only had around 15 more votes than we did.
Of course by this time conservative talk show host Kirby Wilbur was the chair and he did everything he could to be fair to all of the delegates. I saw his face when it was obvious what the McCain delegation did, and he looked like he was going to cry. He knew what they did was wrong, and he was ashamed.
What I remark most was how the McCain hacks, young guys in suits led by old guys who looked like they spent most of their lives being politicians or cops, would pester and insult the Ron Paul delegates, and if such measures were given back to them, they would go running to get a cop and make false claims of harrassment or threats.
This is what the police state is really for, so they can screw you and then use it as a weapon to control you.
I saw people cry, some from so much rage and frustration they had no other recourse (especially with cops glaring at them ready to bust out the tasers on behalf of McCain) and others wept for they realized their country was gone.
And I cried too. But not for what I just described.
Once I took a course in public speaking and usually such courses start with a multiple choice survey that proves how on the average people are more afraid of speaking in front of a large crowd then losing their lives.
I saw trained and experienced McCain hacks go to a microphone and spew their lies and poison, delivering parliamentary tricks with such smugness and arrogance you would not believe.
But the Ron Paul delegates, most of them young, went up there and did their best, THEIR BEST!!! to stop them.
The venue had over 1000 people in it, with cameras that would put you on two large screens flanking the podium.
The Ron Paul delegates were scared, had trouble putting the words together and adhering to Roberts Rules of Order, and many of them actually trembled.
But they were still there, doing their best, and that reminded me of young farmers standing in the fields of colonial America, with musket in hand, facing the largest military force in the world. I saw them shaking, scared all the same, with the same look on their faces.
But they too stood their ground.
After the convention, we rallied and marched around the convention center. The McCain delegates stayed inside, afraid to come out, except for a few of their operatives who attempted to start a fight. We did not fall for it.
What happened that day was a victory for us. For we proved what the McCain delegation, and what the republican party, was really all about. We shined a small ray of truth into that pit of hell and the beast recoiled. Every encounter thereafter in the local taverns with McCain people was the same: none of them could make eye contact with us. Most of them snuck away for there were few McCain buttons or signs to be seen.
And we have not yet begun to fight. The revolution will continue, we will stand our ground, and we will win, one way or the other.
Congressional District 2, Legislative District 39. Snohomish.
We knew we were not going to win this delegate battle, so we displayed "party unity" to get at least a few Ron Paul delegates (one of which they tried to bribe already) on the slate and then it was time for party plank.
On the plank, we waged a major battle to to get the Second Amendment specifically recognized. Then we attempted to get an amendment against the Veterans Disarmament Act and that failed. It appears McCain's supporters favor disarming combat veterans.
The real fight came over the resolutions.
There were 2 stacks of resolutions. One stack marked "Y" for yes, and the other marked "N" for no. The Y stack was full of the usual Republican fluff. Border security, strong defense, etc.
We all voted to pass the Y pile as a whole, because we wanted to get the N pile worked on. This was AFTER failing to get to the N pile first.
You see, the N pile of resolutions had things in it like the anti-undeclared-war resolution, and other Paulian goodies like getting rid of the Income tax, no Real ID, and telling the UN to shove it.
So after giving the McCain people what they wanted, so to get what we wanted - a chance to vote on the N pile, the McCain people were then instructed by the suit-wearing traitorous hacks to leave the floor. I saw Geri Modrell, Snohomish County Republican Chair, go up to the 3 McCain supporters in front of me, whisper something to them, and they got up and left.
We thought a deal was struck. Aesops Scorpion comes to mind. I knew it was going to happen when I discovered there was a deal.
You see, the McCain people were using two groups of people with red and yellow hats, and large YES and NO signs to tell all McCain delegates what to vote on each issue. The Ron Paul delegates did not have that. There was something similar to it, we all had a leader to look to for "advice" on the floor but the voting went very fast and there was too much chaos. What the McCain people and delegates did was not illegal, by the way. In fact it's done often in conventions like this.
Part of the deal however was that Ron Paul delegates would agree on the "unity slate" of delegates (that had some Ron Paul delegates on it, which was better than nothing) and in return, the McCain people would dump the signs and the hats and allow the delegates to vote like real Americans, not votebots.
It was over the resolutions where they showed their true colors. The N pile was full of all the truly conservative subjects that the Republican party has abandoned over the years, since Reagan. But it was obvious what was going to happen after they showed their support for taking guns away from the men and women who served our country and "fought for freedom" as the neocons put it.
The idea of leaving was to deny quorum. With too few people, there would be no quorum and therefore the convention would be finished. So we did a head count, and the McCain people thought there were not enough of us, and we had enough to continue.
To the credit of some McCain delegates, they did not obey the party hacks and they stayed. Yes, even a McCain delegate can have some integrity sometimes.
What was interesting was at the point that we found we still had a quorum. I saw roughly a dozen people - McCain operatives and lemmings, go running out to get the McCain delegates back in. Seeing the looks on their faces was a great thing. I would imagine it to be comparable to the expression of a rapist right before he gets shot by an intended victim.
During the time it took for the McCain delegates to come running back in - and it took time because most of them are miserable old codgers who have raped and ruined this country for a generation and are not good on their feet - we managed to pass that anti-war resolution. We concentrated on that. We stabbed the devil in the heart.
Then once they were back in place, the games started again and they began to tie up the convention with dilutory moves. On Friday the Ron Paul people asked many times for a roll call vote and Luke Esser, the convention chair at that time, never allowed a vote on it. What he did was illegal.
So for a massive delaying tactic the McCain people managed to get a roll call vote to end the convention. They only had around 15 more votes than we did.
Of course by this time conservative talk show host Kirby Wilbur was the chair and he did everything he could to be fair to all of the delegates. I saw his face when it was obvious what the McCain delegation did, and he looked like he was going to cry. He knew what they did was wrong, and he was ashamed.
What I remark most was how the McCain hacks, young guys in suits led by old guys who looked like they spent most of their lives being politicians or cops, would pester and insult the Ron Paul delegates, and if such measures were given back to them, they would go running to get a cop and make false claims of harrassment or threats.
This is what the police state is really for, so they can screw you and then use it as a weapon to control you.
I saw people cry, some from so much rage and frustration they had no other recourse (especially with cops glaring at them ready to bust out the tasers on behalf of McCain) and others wept for they realized their country was gone.
And I cried too. But not for what I just described.
Once I took a course in public speaking and usually such courses start with a multiple choice survey that proves how on the average people are more afraid of speaking in front of a large crowd then losing their lives.
I saw trained and experienced McCain hacks go to a microphone and spew their lies and poison, delivering parliamentary tricks with such smugness and arrogance you would not believe.
But the Ron Paul delegates, most of them young, went up there and did their best, THEIR BEST!!! to stop them.
The venue had over 1000 people in it, with cameras that would put you on two large screens flanking the podium.
The Ron Paul delegates were scared, had trouble putting the words together and adhering to Roberts Rules of Order, and many of them actually trembled.
But they were still there, doing their best, and that reminded me of young farmers standing in the fields of colonial America, with musket in hand, facing the largest military force in the world. I saw them shaking, scared all the same, with the same look on their faces.
But they too stood their ground.
After the convention, we rallied and marched around the convention center. The McCain delegates stayed inside, afraid to come out, except for a few of their operatives who attempted to start a fight. We did not fall for it.
What happened that day was a victory for us. For we proved what the McCain delegation, and what the republican party, was really all about. We shined a small ray of truth into that pit of hell and the beast recoiled. Every encounter thereafter in the local taverns with McCain people was the same: none of them could make eye contact with us. Most of them snuck away for there were few McCain buttons or signs to be seen.
And we have not yet begun to fight. The revolution will continue, we will stand our ground, and we will win, one way or the other.
