I still don't do that stuff.
Maybe it makes you closer to her. I don't know for sure. Only you can tell me. But some random guy isn't going to convince her as easily.
I only hit her when she gets uppity and doesn't bring me my sandwich on time. That's a joke also.Maybe it prevents you from beating her? Seriously, just joking.
But seriously, we are both pretty much the same politically. Both fiscally conservative and socially would probably be considerered on the liberal side for some of these hardcore right wingers. It makes it pretty easy for us to agree on things (imagine that, a married couple that agrees!). And I'm sure the fact that we live in the same house helps because she can't run away when I start preaching about the Fed. HAHA!
It truly frightens me. To be honest, I'm waiting for my third brother's marriage to fail. His wife does nothing but read romance novels in her spare time. That said, I'm not sure how this conversation in grassroots central is going to attract women to the board to learn more about Paul. Most women I know do not feel the need to debate and spar and are not likely to jump into what they perceive to be a hostile environment where they need to defend themselves for being women on what is a mostly male board (not that this thread is full of women bashers by any means but that could be the "take away" by a sensitive woman lurking). This thread could drive away more than it would likely attract. And therein lies a problem and if we don't change the way we "market" to the average female voter then we surely aren't going to bring them on board. That's the reality of the situation and no amount of debating w/each other on the open board will change that. That is the crux of what was in my thread in HT.
As a personal judgment, I do find this conversation to be teetering on the edge of irrationality. Some people understand women, some do not, some make assumptions based on what they themselves have not lived and do not understand and none of what we say can be applied to an entire group of individuals and I don't see how any of it helps us get Paul elected. This conversation would be much more productive if we were discussing ways to appeal to the average female voter- that's what we should rationally be doing. Jmho.
I think it'll be equally difficult with single and married women. Women who support Ron Paul should feel a little proud of themselves for shrugging off the cloak of ignorance that society wants to drape over all of us.
The recent trend in TV programming (kind of a telling word, isn't it) and magazines aimed at women - two things that unfortunately carry a lot of influence - is to gain independence and power by using their sexuality. You could say this has always been the case, but it's absolutely classless these days. I'm just now watching Ally McBeal (only redeeming quality is the comedy) and seeing a lot of that. They never have Ally in a long-lasting relationship because that would make her "boring". She must stay single, but sexually active, to remain relevant. It's when she's in love that all of her composure and intelligence seems to go out the window. When she doesn't have a relationship, she appears depressed and pathetic. Then Sex & the City came along, Desperate Housewives, etc. and the message has been taken to heart by many women - the message being, "You can only be powerful as a single woman by using sex to entice men. If you're married, so what? Cheat! He didn't worship you enough." Thus, sex (and everything related to it, such as physical maintenance, clothing, dating, short-lived relationships, etc. becomes the sole focus of a woman's life in many cases, leaving room for little else.) The end result is an empty shell of what could have been an admirable human being. Most of my female friends on Facebook can only talk about a few things: domestic life issues (my son pooped in the bathtub!) love life issues (I have a new man!) and magazine cover type issues (I got the cutest top at Kohls!) Here I am posting videos on my Facebook about the dangers of MSG and Aspartame, Ron Paul saying "When I was drafted...I went" and the like. I feel it falls upon deaf ears.
I have come to this theory not only by observing the world around me, but seeing how two of my brother's marriages fell apart. They married women who got caught up in the aforementioned female agenda. The daughters these women spawned are going down the very same path at an even younger age. My 11-year-old niece used a Beyonce quote as her Skype status: "Girls! We run this muthaa!!"
Education plays a role in all of this, too. In my high school, we took 1 year of American History (standard "The Native Americans were here first, but hey, the British suck, we beat them" lessons) and 1 semester of a quasi-government class. All I can recall from that class is how to fill out a check and tax returns. The precious little that we learn about our country, we learn in the worst setting ever: amongst young teens with raging hormones who can only think about one thing most of the day. As far as important issues, they were never covered in my school. I don't remember being taught about the Federal Reserve, civil disobedience or anything about how government worked, really. I had to basically educate myself on every issue my school felt was unimportant, such as the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. My mom is 61 and had no idea what they were fighting about and always turned a blind eye to those kind of reports whenever she watched the news.
Short of gradual individual awakenings like mine (it's a long story but I used to be apathetic to politics) and a shift towards enlightenment in our influential media, I don't see any easy solutions.
Absolutely. It's not about being irrational. It's about the way we are raised and breaking free from the shackles that society places around us. I know we've gone in depth on that topic in the past here. When you take into account what Gunny is saying, the average female voter is not behaving irrationally. She is behaving as she has been taught/conditioned to behave which is actually quite rational. Societal programming is what we're up against, not the irrationality of women. And ftr, the word irrational as applied to women is like calling Paul supporters kooks or crazy. It's a derogatory label. I doubt most would consider being called "irrational" as a good thing. It's like saying "men are sane, women are not". That kind of divisiveness is not what we need. And I'm not even going to delve into the "women vote based on physical appearances" meme. Seriously? That's a big brush to paint with riddled with hypocrisy given the fixation of society on the way women look which is well represented by all the smoking hot male talking heads people get their news from along with the butt ugly, modestly dressed female talking heads. And that's just one admittedly sarcastic example.
That said, I'm not sure how this conversation in grassroots central is going to attract women to the board to learn more about Paul. Most women I know do not feel the need to debate and spar and are not likely to jump into what they perceive to be a hostile environment where they need to defend themselves for being women on what is a mostly male board (not that this thread is full of women bashers by any means but that could be the "take away" by a sensitive woman lurking). This thread could drive away more than it would likely attract. And therein lies a problem and if we don't change the way we "market" to the average female voter then we surely aren't going to bring them on board. That's the reality of the situation and no amount of debating w/each other on the open board will change that. That is the crux of what was in my thread in HT.
As a personal judgment, I do find this conversation to be teetering on the edge of irrationality. Some people understand women, some do not, some make assumptions based on what they themselves have not lived and do not understand and none of what we say can be applied to an entire group of individuals and I don't see how any of it helps us get Paul elected. This conversation would be much more productive if we were discussing ways to appeal to the average female voter- that's what we should rationally be doing. Jmho.
