Wash Times: Ron Paul’s campaign finds Big Gender Gap

As if men aren't getting their information from sound bytes (we are losing big with the 65+ crowd, men and women).

As if men aren't irrational about topics, such as being homophobic, wanting to watch sports, etc.

We do well with the young (men and women). What is killing us is the elderly and on average women over males.

Try convicing a neocon male that paul is right about his foreign policy and you'll see some irrationality.

You obviously have an issue with those women and irrationality is the easy smear, but men can be just as bad.

You obviously are discrediting how marketing and education and values are imposed upon different genders. Men and women are not the same. Women are persuaded differently than men. If you try to connect the dots through dry factual data you will generally not get very far. Men tend to argue their fears based upon stats, Women have more nebulous discussions.
 
This is exactly my point. They do look at the issue differently and have a good reason to do so. What I object to is the claim that they are emotional and irrational idiots.

The fact is Socialism can be valid depending on your values. If you can't see that you're irrational. Women are more prone to those values. Nobody has to value long term economic growth. It is as subjective as anything else.

Socialism is impractical for large groups. Explaining that requires knowing your target audience and how they think emotionally rather than statistically.
 
Most people aren't employed in analysis the economies of different Nation's. The field of economics is much wider than that.

The initial comment was tongue in cheek.

However, based on headlines (what should the fed do, what bailout should take place, etc.) and for those not involved in the field, most economics comes through as Keynesian socialist market manipulation. So we need more information on what the initial poster's comment was based on.

My real point is that it is a smear to dismiss what women value. What they value is as valid as what men value. But men smear them instead of thinking more critically and trying to understand.
 
This is exactly my point. They do look at the issue differently and have a good reason to do so. What I object to is the claim that they are emotional and irrational idiots.

The fact is Socialism can be valid depending on your values. If you can't see that you're irrational. Women are more prone to those values. Nobody has to value long term economic growth. It is as subjective as anything else.

I tend to disagree here: Have you ever met anyone who calls themselves "short-sighted and proud of it?" A short time preference may technically be a valid value choice, but that alone doesn't make it rational: Even people with a short time preference rarely care so little about the awful long-term consequences that they'd knowingly choose to behave in a way that creates them. Instead, they invariably make the choices they do because they're too emotionally driven (irrational) to help themselves, or because they are too illogical[/irrational] to comprehend the long-term implications in the first place. In the most abstract sense, a fully rational person could technically have a short time preference...but how often is this phenomenon actually observed in nature, compared to the prevalence of people who just "don't get it?" ;) Dismissing people as irrational isn't effective for gaining votes or support, but that doesn't make it untrue either.
 
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Socialism is impractical for large groups. Explaining that requires knowing your target audience and how they think emotionally rather than statistically.

Economically impractical when it comes to long term economic well being. Not everybody cares about that. Some people care about everyone being treated equally.
 
I tend to disagree here: Have you ever met anyone who calls themselves "short-sighted and proud of it?" A short time preference may technically be a valid value choice, but that alone doesn't make it rational: Even people with a short time preference rarely care so little about the awful long-term consequences that they'd knowingly choose to behave in a way that creates them. Instead, they invariably make the choices they do because they're too emotionally driven (irrational) to help themselves, or because they are too illogical[/irrational] to comprehend the long-term implications in the first place. In the most abstract sense, a fully rational person could technically have a short time preference...but how often is this phenomenon actually observed in nature, compared to the prevalence of people who just "don't get it?" ;)

And have you met anyone that prides themselves on the Ron Paul depression if he were elected. We tend not to focus on it but it could happen.

We also don't focus on the fact that slavery, segregation, homophobia, etc. could emerge in some locality should Ron Paul win and everything be decided locally.

We value the long term. Others are more focused on these short term issues. We all have blind spots.
 
Economically impractical when it comes to long term economic well being. Not everybody cares about that. Some people care about everyone being treated equally.

The problem with this line of argument is that under socialism, everyone is not treated equally in practice. Therefore, it would be irrational for a fully informed person to actually choose socialism on the basis of everyone being treated equally. Who is left supporting socialism? Irrational people! (Well, and rational people with unchecked assumptions...)
 
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You are right, denial of gender differences makes some of the posters here sound like Marxists. There's nothing Conservative about spreading the lie that men and women are identical in their emotions or in their thinking patterns.

You are distorting what people are objecting to. It is the reason FOR the difference, not the actual difference.

Marxism isn't a slur if you value equality. Most Paul supporters don't. Some people do.
 
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I'll say it for you: More women vote based on physical appearance than men and unfortunately the ladies just don't think Ron Paul is a hot guy. :rolleyes:

Santorum gets more female votes than male votes. Too much TV in America. It's America's Next Political Idol. We select based on nice hair and who has the best cliches. We should have the candidates dance and sing too! And then vote for the one that lies to us the best.
 
The problem with this line of argument is that under socialism, everyone is not treated equally in practice. Therefore, it would be irrational for a fully informed person to actually choose socialism on the basis of everyone being treated equally.

In practice under capitalism some people becomes homeless and die. Not every family makes it to the promised long run.

However, under socialism the inequality could be much less (implementation does matter, but in capitalism it matters too) and the productivity of society (and average long term well-being) would also be lower.
 
I know women who support Ron Paul, and I don't think they're irrational about their support. (I'm a woman, btw.) I do know both men and women who are irrational in buying into the fear, and they do it for different reasons. Nonetheless, from my perspective, both are irrational. The men tend to have the emotional reaction to foreign policy. For some people, it doesn't matter if you explain it once or 50 times, those Arabs are gonna get us if we don't get them first. The women tend to have the emotional reaction to the quirky little things we don't think about often such as, "I hear he wants to legalize prostitution." No matter how many times I explained that prostitution is already a state issue (legal in Nevada), they still reacted the same.

The fact is, some people like controlling other people, and we've done more to combat disinformation on men's concerns than on women's concerns. That's the way I see it, anyway.
 
Why? Always seemed like a dim-witted replacement for RPFS. What does that site have that this doesnt?

In my experience, the discussion there have been more civil--fewer personal attacks and childish name calling.

i think the DP gets more traffic
 
You obviously are discrediting how marketing and education and values are imposed upon different genders. Men and women are not the same. Women are persuaded differently than men. If you try to connect the dots through dry factual data you will generally not get very far. Men tend to argue their fears based upon stats, Women have more nebulous discussions.

Because women are more focused on their feelings. Which is just as valid as anything else. Once you acknowledge that then you can try to make headway.

However, men still have feelings, but they bury them under deep analytical cover. Women are more on the surface.
 
And have you met anyone that prides themselves on the Ron Paul depression if he were elected. We tend not to focus on it but it could happen.

We also don't focus on the fact that slavery, segregation, homophobia, etc. could emerge in some locality should Ron Paul win and everything be decided locally.

We value the long term. Others are more focused on these short term issues. We all have blind spots.

I acknowledge these possibilities (though chattel slavery still couldn't happen anyway, given the 13th Amendment), but I have made a rational, informed decision that the long-term benefits outweigh these possibilities. (That, and I have certain moral values that are consistent with libertarianism alone.)

However, people who disagree rarely ever acknowledge the long-term benefits of a Ron Paul Presidency. There's a reason for this, and it's not that they've been fully informed, but they still prefer short-term comfort over long-term survival. In the vast majority of cases, if not all, they're simply not informed enough [or rational enough] to acknowledge the long-term ramifications of their views at all. How many people actually say, "I don't care about long-term ruin, so long as I'm okay right now?" I haven't met ANYONE who thinks like that. Instead, the people I talk with who don't like Ron Paul actually believe - mistakenly - that corporatism, or socialism, or whatever, is actually better in the long-term. That's wrong thinking, not fundamentally opposing values.

In practice under capitalism some people becomes homeless and die. Not every family makes it to the promised long run.
The same thing happens under socialism, to a much greater degree, so that is no rational objection. Consider the widespread famines under Communist regimes, for instance. Of course, it might be a rational objection for someone to say, "I (specifically) am more likely to be homeless or die under capitalism," but that's very specific to the person making the claim, and almost nobody supporting socialism, Communism, or whatever actually takes that line of argument to defend their choice. Instead, they invariably take a line of argument that denies the consequences of their beliefs and refuses to acknowledge the consequences of Ron Paul's.

However, under socialism the inequality could be much less (implementation does matter, but in capitalism it matters too) and the productivity of society (and average long term well-being) would also be lower.
However, it's totally irrational to believe the inequality could be much less in a system that hinges on centralized economic control. Compare the way the party elite lived in the Soviet Union or China under Mao, to the way farmers lived...or just combine the following in your mind: "Limited resources, totalitarian centralized power, psychopathy." The result can and will always be exactly the same, and it's irrational to think, "It could be different in practice," with the same institutional infrastructure. Once again, we don't have a clash of values alone. Instead, we have a large number of people who quite simply cannot comprehend how their choices undermine the very same values they profess.
 
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LOL! I am female...If you think otherwise visit a birth board or parenting board and get back with me. Again women are emotional and more irrational. Try a conversation with logical facts with some of the more irrational females and let me know how it works for you. The ones who are driving us off a cliff are getting their information from sound bytes and are usually young mothers who fancy themselves informed on the issues. They are very passionate and VERY short sighted.

I have avoided talking about this because it's too easy to be misunderstood, but it's true. This is why I love Ron Paul women so much.

I've had my share of relationships, so I'm not purely ignorant here, but since 2007 I've pretty much determined not to date anyone but a Ron Paul lady. Which, considering I'm 38 and very much want to settle down and get married makes it tough.

It's true, women tend to vote more emotionally. RP voters are the exception. The women here are the exception to stupidity just like the men here are the exception to stupidity. Makes me love and cherish them even more.

I tried to discuss this about a year or so ago and got lambasted and never touched it again. But we do need to figure this out and how to overcome it. We don't win in November until we overcome this stumbling-block.

I'll admit that I am automatically 10x more attracted to RP women than any others, and that's sight unseen. Mind you, most RP women are already involved/married etc. I imagine because it's obvious how precious y'all are and the men will bend over backwards to keep you. ;)
 
sounds boring. probably more appealing to the left-leaning ron paul supporters and conspiracy nuts.

I find the people there to be older, more intelligent and less reactionary.

I find there is more freedom there. Here if you don't think like the masses, you get attacked.

I posted Ellen Brown's stuff here and get attacked for not believing that "Mises was Jesus."

it seems as if this place is more juvenile and collectivist in thought.
 
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