Wars Against Ideologies

[Zeichen]

Any more serious discussion, or do you guys just want to continue engaging in the vague pronouncements of which we so love to bash Obama?

And Andrew-Austin, as I have repeated a number of times on this thread, I am NOT saying it is necessary or even possible to kill every ideologue. We just need to render the organization operationally ineffective, which has been accomplished many times throughout history with great success.

 

[driller80545]

I have a question. Why do you feel the need to "render someone else's ideology ineffective". Do you have a dominance obsession or an inferiority complex? Are you not aware of what always happens to bullys eventually?

 

[ARealConservative]

Any more serious discussion, or do you guys just want to continue engaging in the vague pronouncements of which we so love to bash Obama?

And Andrew-Austin, as I have repeated a number of times on this thread, I am NOT saying it is necessary or even possible to kill every ideologue. We just need to render the organization operationally ineffective, which has been accomplished many times throughout history with great success.

You ignored the serious discussion.

This entire thread is nonsense as you refuse to identify victory.

Right now we are doing a great job of diminishing the power of a particular ideology, but we also have our head in the sand (or you do anyway).

We are 9 trillion in debt, we will be 60+ trillion in debt in the middle of this century, and our birth rates are far, far below that of the ideology you are at war with. We won't win forever and your total lack of foresight will bring our demise on quicker then it needs to be.

 

[Zeichen]

I have clearly and repeatedly identified what I think a victory would entail. A victory would be where we "render the organization operationally ineffective". A victory would be where the opposing ideology cannot continue to pose a serious threat to our nation.

And I believe that ideologies that pose a threat to us should be marginalized. Basic self-defense. Yes, as I said in my intro thread, I think there are other larger threats to worry about, but, for example, the actions against radical Islam is a suitable response for the time being, if it can be won (I honestly do not have enough information to definitively declare either way).

 

[SeanEdwards]

I have a question. Why do you feel the need to "render someone else's ideology ineffective". Do you have a dominance obsession or an inferiority complex? Are you not aware of what always happens to bullys eventually?

You don't have an interest in rendering the neocon globalist ideology of one world government ineffective?

 

[driller80545]

You don't have an interest in rendering the neocon globalist ideology of one world government ineffective?

I am sure that they are completely capable of doing that without my help!

I would rather that they didn't take me down with them when the self destruct.

 

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Hello,

To apply what you are saying, each of us would like to, "render [a harmful] organization operationally ineffective". With regards to radical Islam, we just have differing views as to how to go about doing it. Congressman Paul's approach, (since this is a Ron Paul forum), is:

To render the organization operationally ineffective by--among other things--depriving its leaders, who would do us harm, of the powerful rhetoric which is gaining support among the populace. Such a person can point to an American tank and cry, "invasion," to sway the masses. Deprive them of the tank and you also take away a very definite physical and emotional rallying-point.

Thank you for reading. I do hope I've grasped your intention.

Sincerely,
Omphfullas Zamboni

NOTE: In no way is the above intended to detail the position of Congressman Paul or other Ron Paul candidates with respect to foreign policy. (I presume that you intended for the thread to be less topical and more of a philosophic nature).

 

[pcosmar]

I was discussing a matter with a Ron Paul supporter on a different website. He maintained that ideologies could not be defeated without an endless, impossible genocide against all who shared the beliefs of said ideology. I tried to reason with him, give historical examples, explain military strategies, but couldn't get through to him.

So, he suggested I come here and discuss this with you all. I suppose first of all I'll ask the simple basic question, to see if we even disagree.

Can ideologies be defeated militarily, or through a combination of coercive measures?

No, you can kill people and destroy countries.
You can not kill ideas.

The best you could do is offer a "better" idea.

 

[Truth Warrior]

How about Freedom, Peace and Prosperity. Just a thought!