Agreed. Certain people don't care. There are always going to be criminals (and I mean that in the moral sense of the term). Those criminals will likely continue to catcall. But if we can get all the people who do this who simply havent thought about it, or who think their friends think it's cool, or who think that women LIKE it, to see how bad it can be, and to understand it's not acceptable behavior, we can get a lot done. I'm not looking to eliminate cat calling (again, you are implying some mission or vendetta or proposed legislation into my posts when there is none) just like I'm not looking to eliminate people who support, say, the federal reserve. We both know there will always be idiots around.
I really wasn't implying such a thing. Sorry if I was, but it seems to me that you think more action is needed. Society already generally looks down on cat-calling and decent people will discourage their friends from partaking in that activity. What do you think should be done? Advertising? Meet-ups? Confronting people on the street? What should we do that most people don't already do? If you want to do all those things and spend your money on a bunch of advertising for it, then go ahead. I don't see the point because, it's just not that big of a deal. It's a cost-benefit analysis just like anything else, and people who are passionate about it should realize that it's not everyone else's duty to join them. They can reach out and encourage change all they want, but calling out and shaming "society" for the behavior of a few thugs is pointless.
It is not a big deal to YOU. Please get that straight. It is a big deal to me, and to many of the people I live with, near, and around. Clearly this never happens in WV and nothing needs to be done about it there; good. You can now stop posting in this thread and stop all murder. Oh wait, that's impossible to do too, so I guess murder is fine!
No, I never implied that, but why don't you pay more attention to that last sentence there? It's
impossible to do, really? So, if it's so impossible to stop murder, which is a MUCH more serious issue, then how do you expect to stop cat-calling, which is not an aggressive behavior in the first place?
It is. It isn't hurting you; you've made that clear. You still seem to see a distinction between "yourself" and "anyone else".
When I say "not hurting anyone", I mean that literally. What harm does this do to the person's body? If you want to say that it hurts them on an emotional level, well then you're just getting into the metaphysical and psychological aspects of it. In that case, I will always maintain that people can control their reactions better than they can control the behaviors of other people. Words only hurt you if you let them.
First of all, what do you think the guy who followed her for 5 minutes was thinking?
Probably wondering how long he could keep walking there without her saying anything.
Words might never hurt you. But you've never had a person who literally weighs 2-3x what you do tell you they want to rape you in an alley and then follow you home. My friend may have made it home without injury, but if you think that kind of behavior is acceptable (not by law, but by society) you just don't get it.
Cat-calling is not threats. Let's make the distinction between clearly aggressive behavior and regular cat-calling. Most of it is not aggressive. If the woman would have said something to the guy who was following her and he kept doing it, then it would have been aggressive. Not until then, though.
It's not a problem in your community so you don't see a need to change it. This has been made clear. You are "not concerned", so I'm not sure why you're in this thread?
Because the whole point of this video is to get me to do something about it, to make me feel like I'm responsible for allowing this to happen. When they made that video, the obvious implication was that all men are responsible for this type of behavior and that women are oppressed by it. I reject that responsibility. This is not my fault and I have no obligation to stop it, nor does anyone else. There are FAR bigger problems in the world than this.
Decent men know this is wrong because they have empathy and understanding of how it must feel. This video is for those men who have never thought about it from a woman's point of view; it's something many people have trouble doing on their own. The fact that you are calling these 'compliments' shows that you do NOT understand the issue and perfectly illustrates my point.
Many of them were compliments, but they were still lumped in as "harassment." It's an obvious propaganda piece that leaves out certain things in order to force the point.
Again, you're assuming the callers have all thought this through extensively before they act. You're giving most people too much credit. Most men just aren't paying attention to this issue, so it ISN'T an issue to them. Videos like this show how uncomfortable and scary these guys can get from a woman's point of view; something many men simply lack.
I'm not so sure about that. What makes you think cat-callers aren't aware of this? Next you're going to tell me that druggies just aren't aware that society disapproves of their behavior.
Also, this behavior may look scary in the video, but that's because the woman did nothing to prevent it. Any normal woman who felt uncomfortable would have said something, but she purposefully didn't. What does that say? She wanted to show something that wouldn't have normally happened under normal circumstances.
