WAPO: Vulgar video of Trump Recorded in 2005

[dannno]

Consensual sex is usually between 2 people who've known each other for a while.

Um, ok, but I've had multiple girls walk up to me and we started making out before even saying a word to each other... one of them grabbed my hand and stuck it up her skirt. Was that not consensual? I mean, for me, she FORCED me to touch her private parts!! I'll tell you it was absolutely consensual, I wanted to do that, and I thank her for grabbing my hand and putting it down there. But the point is your whole idea of what consensual sex is, is kinda skewed from the reality of the situation many times.

According to most the women who had altercations w/Trump they did back away, etc- one was already backed up against a wall.

I don't trust any of this stuff coming out right now 100%, it could all be completely fabricated by the Hillary machine..

Also, if the perp is your boss, it might be a little scary to tell him to get the hell away from you.

Many women have been assaulted by men and no amount of pushing or telling them to stop it does any good. Men are also usually bigger, stronger, and more intimidating. Rape is not a myth and women experience a lot of non-consensual crap all the time.

Look, I'm totally with you on the the whole not being physical and intimidating to women, but what you are describing sounds more like what Clinton did than what Trump has ever been accused of (until recently). And you're right, there are real rapes and real sexual assaults - but there is also some things that start out similarly but is actually the opposite. The reason I don't give Clinton a pass on his antics is because mutliple women have reported him biting their nose, and they push away and have to scream and get somebody's attention- they were afraid he was going to rape them. That doesn't sit right with me...

But let me explain something to you - the book 50 shades of gray has that title for a really good reason.

Remember when I said I've had multiple women come up to me and we started making out before even speaking? That's called spontaneity. Some of the horniest women LIKE spontaneity, and what you are saying basically is that men should act neutered and not make passes at these type of women, because there are some women out there who don't like it.. But the fact is men need to act spontaneous and a bit forward in order to engage these women, otherwise other men will and they will miss out on the sex. That's why powerful men tend to act like this, because it works well and it gets them some of the hottest women with the highest sex drives.

Men have EVERY RIGHT to employ these tactics as long as they don't go over the line - that means if a woman pushes back, says no in a serious tone you stop - caveat - sometimes women say "no" with a smile on their face and a sparkle in their eye - many times this is a signal they actually want you to keep going, they are just playing hard to get - SERIOUSLY - it makes them feel less slutty even though you are doing exactly what they want you to do... this creates a problem though, because some girls say no and still want it, and so some guys might confuse the next girl saying no for wanting it and they push forward and this creates sexual trauma for these women - it's a tricky situation, but it's women being manipulative who have created it, so.... it's hard to blame some men for this if they have made an honest mistake - on the other hand, for some men it isn't a mistake, they are just being pushy because they are rapey. Two similar situations, two completely different motivations... This is a lot more complex than it appears from the outset.

Another very important point is, the VAST MAJORITY of men who employ these tactics and are more straightforward and aggressive WILL STOP if a woman pushes back or says "no" with a serious tone.. It's just a part of life that women have to deal with, because some women enjoy when men act this way and reward them with sex. Want it to stop? Tell the women to stop rewarding men with sex for this behavior and the men still stop TOMORROW... Unfortunately for some, a man trying to be spontaneous is going to trigger memories of past trauma, and that is unfavorable - but guess what??? That isn't the spontaneous guy's fault, that is the fault of the guy who was being physically aggressive who implanted that trauma. So again, this is a very tricky subject but let's not go around blaming men when women are the ones shaping their behavior with sexual rewards.

 

[nikcers]

lol, duh, women typically don't date younger men...

Look, they are both right - the comment Trump made about dating the young girl in 10 years was not appropriate - and the anchor was correct about that - but, he is right because it also doesn't imply anything pedophiliac or whatever.. Recognizing that a younger person will likely grow up to be attractive is a quality that many people who are VERY far from pedophiles have. I've heard older female relatives make those type of comments about grand nephews/nieces and what-not in a very innocent way.. I've heard people from all walks of life make similar types of comments. Adding in that he is going to date her in 10 years is not appropriate to say, but it didn't imply he wanted to have sex with the 10 year old, and that is what the media and many other people have been trying to imply.

The media is making this into a philosophical argument about whether someone is the same person after time has elapsed? I know that this is difficult to comprehend but telling someone that you would like to have sex with them later, can be extremely inappropriate depending on who it is if you don't take it out of context. There is no argument that it wasn't related to Sex. Trump was not implying I am going to take her out and show her a good time.

 

[dannno]

Assuming we're living in the real world and not an alternate reality, women don't have otherworldly ninja-like skills where they can evade sexual assault at all times. If the owner of a business is interviewing a potential employee and grabs her breasts or puts his hand up her skirt without consent — and completely out of the blue — would you earnestly say the woman was allowing it to happen? That she consented because she wasn't fast enough to prevent it? That potentially, her being intimidated and taken by surprise meant it was consent? You can't be serious.

You're just like the media constantly putting bullshit words in Trump's mouth that he never said..

I NEVER said what you just implied in your paragraph.

What job interview have you ever been in where your interviewer was close enough to you to just grab your breast?

Going up and grabbing a woman's breast before they have time to react is sexual assault.. But that is rarely what happens in these types of situations.

In fact, usually what happens is exactly what DOES happen 98% of the time.. the male authority gets up close enough and starts acting and talking suggestively in a different, looser voice, maybe whispery. If the woman isn't interested, she begins to put off signals that she is guarding herself, maybe steps away from him. She watches his hands, and if they start going in the wrong direction she moves, blocks them or says "Hey, watch it there, I'm not interested". DONE. That's it. Most guys will stop if they think the girl really isn't interested, and THOSE men are doing nothing wrong. If you think they are, then definitely keep reading this post, you will learn a lot.

But in some rare instances girls will push a guy off, then after thinking about it for a while they decide hey maybe that guy isn't so bad, and next time they hit on her it works.. That is why some guys keep going at it, because some girls do actually change their mind on this later and their experiences shape their future behavior. But if he continues this behavior and she is uncomfortable with it and keeps stating clearly that it isn't in her interest, she should either report it to his superior or quit or whatever she wants to do..

So the point is, in most cases women guard themselves well enough to avoid this sort of thing. Other women REALLY LIKE their job, in fact they like it so much that they are willing to allow their boss to go through with it at the time, they don't say or do anything because they want to keep their job - that's called choosing to be a whore - I have no problem with that, I'm just calling it what it is. Then later on they think about it and they might regret it, maybe they didn't get a raise or promotion and they realize their are all these government laws that they can use for retribution so they can get back at that boss who gave them a chance at a job because they thought they might get sex (otherwise these women might not have gotten a job at all)

But like I was talking about in response to Ender's post - many very attractive women with high sex drives WILL NOT LET A MAN KISS THEM IF THEY ASK THEM TO KISS THEM. They want confidence, they want a guy who goes for the kiss. There are also a lot of women who are very sexually aggressive (not physically aggressive) compared to any man, and they are allowed to do that because of the male/female sexual dynamic, but it is definitely a double standard although it does have some legitimacy to it. Those women are shaping men's behavior, they are shaping them to be more aggressive and giving them the reward of sex. If women want men to be less aggressive, they could start by having a talk with other women and helping to shape men's behavior in different ways, rather than constantly lecturing men about how they want them to act, and then having sex with the ones who do the opposite. It's just retarded.

 

[dannno]

The media is making this into a philosophical argument about whether someone is the same person after time has elapsed? I know that this is difficult to comprehend but telling someone that you would like to have sex with them later, can be extremely inappropriate depending on who it is if you don't take it out of context. There is no argument that it wasn't related to Sex. Trump was not implying I am going to take her out and show her a good time.

No, the media is implying that he thought the 10 year old was hot and he wanted to fuck her and he is a pedophile. The FBN anchor you posted was NOT saying those things, that is why I said she was right - she is right that it was not appropriate for him to say. But they were arguing past each other. The guy was right that what the rest of the media is implying, that Trump thought a 10 year old was hot and he is a pedophile is bullshit.. They were countering each other's arguments with unrelated topics.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/latest-nbcwsj-poll-utter-nonsense

An anonymous poster on 4chan is your evidence? That's (literally) a joke. He even wrote the sentence

One particular Hispanic worker of mine even said , with tears in his eyes, "Trump is going to send us all to Mexico."

and you didn't notice how funny that is? Obviously it COULD be true, but then again so could the octopus lady, and I don't believe that sketchy story either. But even that has more credibility than an anonymous post online.

Regarding the graph: it proves that the numbers match who answers the phone, but it doesn't prove that they deliberately included and excluded people to give the race those shifts, which is what I was asking about. Did you think the same ratio of Reps and Dems would answer random calls every single time?

It amazes me that the same mainstream media who totally railroaded Ron and Rand Paul are now the alter of worship for the anti-Trump crowd around here.

Can you provide an example of anyone here worshiping the MSM? Even one?

I'm not even pro-Trump

I don't think anyone believes you.

but it is very obvious what they are doing. Why they are doing it? I have no good answer for that, it is not apparent.

No shit they are pumping constant coverage of Trump scandals every time they want to hide a Hillary scandal. Wikileaks? Trump says something outrageous. Hillary says something offensive? Trump said something offensive a long time ago. More wikileaks? Trump suddenly becomes a veritable Bill Clinton overnight. Some of these scandals are probably made up or at the very least overhyped, some have been smoldering quietly for decades; either way, the timing is impeccable. That was the plan all along. Why do you think the MSM worked so hard to get Trump the nomination?