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[ClaytonB]

Plus rep.

Exactly.

Trying to debate with or persuade a Marxist is like trying to reason with a rattlesnake.

You are completely missing the point -- the reason for not muzzling the Left is not to "persuade" them of anything. Of course, most of them do not accept reason, that's why they're leftists. But the fact is that not all leftists are operational revolutionaries, so we need to salvage the ones that can be salvaged. And the more the Left is allowed to speak, the clearer it becomes that they're insane. The best conviction is a confession on the stand. We put them in the stand, let them talk, and let them convict themselves. And if they want go from push to shove, we can deliver on that, too. Either way, they can't get out of the straitjacket. But when you gag them, you give them the key to their own handcuffs... it's just stupid. That's why the Founding Fathers put the 1A there to protect all Americans, even the retarded Marxists.

 

[ClaytonB]

You do not care about the purpose of something that can and does kill millions of people. You do not care about something that severely reduces the quality of life for those that it does not kill. The fact it is false has no bearing whatsoever on whether it has a purpose. As stated before, its purpose is the pursuit of power. The only thing that matters is the outcome created by its designed purpose.

Truly, you do not understand how leftists work at all. No, the removal of the 1A is not their dream scenario. The 1A only has meaning if there are institutions to enforce it. Like all rights, they only have practical relevance if they are supported by sufficient power. The Machiavellians know that they do not have to have it formally removed to achieve their purpose. That is how subversion works. If a situation is reached upon which the removal of the 1A is to their advantage, then it is a strong indicator that they already control all of the relevant levers of power due to systematic subversion over a long period of time. At this point, it is obvious that you have no idea at all about how this game is played.

The tumor must be excised at some point. It will not be pretty.

That is no consolation for the millions that died at the hands of Marxists. The fact the power is temporary does not negate its significance.

I'm going to skip detailed refutations because it's clear we are never going to reach agreement on even the premises of the discussion. The 1A is not an "institutional enforcement" of a right that we are given, it's an explicit limitation placed upon the Federal government by one of our many unenumerated rights that come, not from any institution, but from God directly. You have the right of free speech even when you are gagged. The gag is just a crime being committed against you, it cannot remove any rights from you.

I would rather not let the situation degenerate to such a point that only divine intervention can save the day.

It's already degenerated far beyond the point of divine intervention.

You can keep that kind of ineffectual nonsense to yourself.

Naw, I'll continue to exercise my 1A right, one of the few rights that the public has not completely ceded to the omnipotent Federal government.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

I'm going to skip detailed refutations because it's clear we are never going to reach agreement on even the premises of the discussion. The 1A is not an "institutional enforcement" of a right that we are given, it's an explicit limitation placed upon the Federal government by one of our many unenumerated rights that come, not from any institution, but from God directly. You have the right of free speech even when you are gagged. The gag is just a crime being committed against you, it cannot remove any rights from you.

We most certainly disagree on the premise. Rights that cannot be defended and upheld by force are functionally meaningless. Abstract concepts, like rights, require reification via human action for them to have practical significance. The fact rights are "God given" has not, and never will, abrogate the reality that humans routinely deprive other humans of those "God given rights". The fact God may punish those tyrants later is no solace to those that live and die under them. As such, it is the duty of each man to act in such a way that gives those rights meaning. This requires openly confronting and removing any that would seek their subversion and destruction. Toward this end, men often act collectively to create institutions. That is how the Bill of Rights came to have real meaning - it was defended and sustained by force. If the founders of this country had expected God to punish their oppressors for their transgressions against their "God given rights", then nothing would have ever happened. Instead, they would have continued to live under the British crown. As such, men must vigorously defend against all that seek the subversion of institutions that would defend the concept of "God given rights", because failure to do so has catastrophic consequences.

It's already degenerated far beyond the point of divine intervention.

With statements like this, it is not difficult to see why you fear the idea of giving leftists their casus belli. Perhaps this is one of the consequences of "loving your enemies" - tolerating the intolerable to such a point that your position becomes thoroughly indefensible absent God's direct intervention.

Naw, I'll continue to exercise my 1A right, one of the few rights that the public has not completely ceded to the omnipotent Federal government.

Good for you.

 

[ClaytonB]

We most certainly disagree on the premise. Rights that cannot be defended and upheld by force are functionally meaningless.

In the limit, yes. But "the limit" is much further out to the horizon than material political theorists will grant, which is why they are blind. The spiritual limit is explained in Scripture, and that is the limit at which rights become enforced. And that enforcement is absolute, more absolute than the laws of physics. Which is why we are even able to talk or do anything at all.

Abstract concepts, like rights, require reification via human action for them to have practical significance.

Yes. And, one day (soon), they will. Until then, the believer must be prepared to accept all the violations of rights which God asks them to accept.

The fact rights are "God given" has not, and never will, abrogate the reality that humans routinely deprive other humans of those "God given rights".

And that fact can never abrogate the reality that such deprivations are all seen and will be given account for, and set right, on the Day of Judgment. Nobody in the history of the world has ever "gotten away" with a single damned thing. That's the Big Lie of Satan himself... this absurd idea that crooks get away with their abominable crimes.

The fact God may punish those tyrants later is no solace to those that live and die under them.

Incorrect. The eternal torment of the wicked is the only solace to those who have been subjected to grievous crime. This is how we know that God is, indeed, just and impartial and that he will by no means clear the guilty. In fact, God not only certainly will punish the tyrants, but even begins their punishment right in the here and now; the tyrants are just spiritually blinded and do not understand that they are already under divine punishment.

As such, it is the duty of each man to act in such a way that gives those rights meaning. This requires openly confronting and removing any that would seek their subversion and destruction. Toward this end, men often act collectively to create institutions.

Apart from open, formal submission to the Lord Jesus, all such institutions are just fuel for the flames. Worse than useless.

That is how the Bill of Rights came to have real meaning - it was defended and sustained by force.

Force that was appropriate in that time and place. I get it -- things could come to arms again in the future and, if that time comes, those who are believers will know what is the right course of action. But the problem with history up to this point is that we've been forced to play it by the devil's rigged rules. The time is soon coming when the board is going to be un-tilted and the rules will no longer be rigged. And when that happens, it will become clear why force/violence never solved or "secured" anything, except in the abstract limit of divine power.

If the founders of this country had expected God to punish their oppressors for their transgressions against their "God given rights", then nothing would have ever happened. Instead, they would have continued to live under the British crown. As such, men must vigorously defend against all that seek the subversion of institutions that would defend the concept of "God given rights", because failure to do so has catastrophic consequences.

The Crown is at least in formal submission to God, through the church which formally professes Jesus as Lord. The American government has been founded on the myth of spiritual neutrality. There is no such thing. You are either in Jesus, or you are at war with him. There is zero middle ground and that razor is descending from heaven, as we speak, upon all of your cherished "institutions". Pick a side and get off the fence.

With statements like this, it is not difficult to see why you fear the idea of giving leftists their casus belli. Perhaps this is one of the consequences of "loving your enemies" - tolerating the intolerable to such a point that your position becomes thoroughly indefensible absent God's direct intervention.

I've made the right choice--

Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man. (Psalm 43:1)

Whoever fears the hangman, but not God, is a fool...

 

[phill4paul]

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

what is this place now buzzfeed?

 

[TheTexan]

If there is a God, he's probably disappointed that we're letting the spawns of Satan have free reign in the world, tormenting every living soul on this Earth, without even the remotest semblance of resistance.

Just sayin.

 

[RJB]

It's trying to reason or coexist with a vampire.

A snake bites a person in its own defense. A vampire bites because that is what a parasite does.

 

[ClaytonB]

If there is a God, he's probably disappointed that we're letting the spawns of Satan have free reign in the world, tormenting every living soul on this Earth, without even the remotest semblance of resistance.

Just sayin.

We've been ambushed in the most cowardly, malicious, insidious way. What has been done to us (humanity) cannot be fully expressed in words and it is, strictly speaking, beyond human imagination. The only solution is divine vengeance, and it is coming more surely than the morning sunrise. And that's not hyperbole, just facts.

God is disappointed in our sin, but that's something that each of us can address by simply following the path of sanctification. It's hard, but not impossible. We are his creatures, so God is not cosmically disappointed with us, but the devil wants us to believe he is. Don't give in to the black-pill. The Remnant are coming out of this fallen world into glory. SOON

 

[TheTexan]

We've been ambushed in the most cowardly, malicious, insidious way. What has been done to us (humanity) cannot be fully expressed in words and it is, strictly speaking, beyond human imagination. The only solution is divine vengeance, and it is coming more surely than the morning sunrise. And that's not hyperbole, just facts.

God is disappointed in our sin, but that's something that each of us can address by simply following the path of sanctification. It's hard, but not impossible. We are his creatures, so God is not cosmically disappointed with us, but the devil wants us to believe he is. Don't give in to the black-pill. The Remnant are coming out of this fallen world into glory. SOON

The path of sanctification:

 

[Swordsmyth]

The path of sanctification:

 

[ClaytonB]

The path of sanctification:

Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?” John 18:11

When the end comes, that will be our time to drink the cup of tribulation (not wrath), and we will not fight with swords and guns, because we will not need to (it's a heavenly war, Rev. 12:7) Those that trust in their swords will perish. Note that this reply has nothing to do with gun-control. The gun-control agenda is not motivated by anything to do with the Gospel, it's ultimately an anti-God agenda. My point is that the path of spiritual warfare through sanctification places far more powerful weapons into our hands than any firearm or even nukes. We are told that F-15s and nukes are all you need to crush a human government; so all the governments of the world are truly hopeless against the power of the Kingdom of God which is incomparably greater than any nuke.

 

[TheTexan]

My point is that the path of spiritual warfare through sanctification places far more powerful weapons into our hands than any firearm or even nukes.

What is this "powerful weapon" ?

The power of prayer?

The power of spreading the good word?

The power of sitting and waiting for God to step in and finally do something?

 

[ClaytonB]

What is this "powerful weapon" ?

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. (Matthew 25:31-32)

Let me refute some of the fallacies that people fall into when reading this:

- "God will do that, so that's not our concern." Actually, Jesus said to the disciples, "I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you." (John 15:15) What if we're the leaders we've been waiting for??

- "Above my pay grade." This is a cousin of the previous fallacy. 1 Cor. 6:3 - "Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" 1 Cor. 4:20 "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power."

- "I'll believe it when I see it." Yes, yes you will. But for those of us that profess to believe, let us believe and not imitate the cynical skepticism of the world.

- "What use are angels when the bullets start flying? What you need is good body armor and a rifle to shoot back." Total lack of faith, and failure to understand the nature of heavenly power. Yes, if it came down to it, even bullets could be stopped. "They were terrified and asked each other, “Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!" (Mark 4:41) But the power of the Kingdom of Heaven is incomparably greater. Worrying about their bullets is like an F-16 fighter pilot worrying about kids with slingshots hurling stones.

Yes, prayer, Scripture and waiting are part of it. But even more important than these outward-facing things is the inward-facing transformation of the self. There's a reason that you cannot see the Kingdom of God outside of faith. Our unclean eyes are not even worthy to see it, not yet anyway. So get ready (that's the sanctification part). Those who rebel against God to the bitter end will be burned alive forever by the glory of God's kingdom. It's not physics, it's the Spirit. That is the glory you must prepare yourself for. This has nothing to do with glowing light-beings, per se, and everything to do with the eradication of sin from our hearts, each individually.

"More powerful than nukes" is, if anything, an understatement. The reality is that the Kingdom of God is the very power of God, not "out there somewhere", but right here, among us, in our hands. No, we're not ready for it, yet. But it's coming whether we're ready or not. That's why the Gospel is urgent.

 

[TheTexan]

Let me refute some of the fallacies that people fall into when reading this:

- "God will do that, so that's not our concern." Actually, Jesus said to the disciples, "I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you." (John 15:15) What if we're the leaders we've been waiting for??

- "Above my pay grade." This is a cousin of the previous fallacy. 1 Cor. 6:3 - "Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" 1 Cor. 4:20 "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power."

- "I'll believe it when I see it." Yes, yes you will. But for those of us that profess to believe, let us believe and not imitate the cynical skepticism of the world.

- "What use are angels when the bullets start flying? What you need is good body armor and a rifle to shoot back." Total lack of faith, and failure to understand the nature of heavenly power. Yes, if it came down to it, even bullets could be stopped. "They were terrified and asked each other, “Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!" (Mark 4:41) But the power of the Kingdom of Heaven is incomparably greater. Worrying about their bullets is like an F-16 fighter pilot worrying about kids with slingshots hurling stones.

Yes, prayer, Scripture and waiting are part of it. But even more important than these outward-facing things is the inward-facing transformation of the self. There's a reason that you cannot see the Kingdom of God outside of faith. Our unclean eyes are not even worthy to see it, not yet anyway. So get ready (that's the sanctification part). Those who rebel against God to the bitter end will be burned alive forever by the glory of God's kingdom. It's not physics, it's the Spirit. That is the glory you must prepare yourself for. This has nothing to do with glowing light-beings, per se, and everything to do with the eradication of sin from our hearts, each individually.

"More powerful than nukes" is, if anything, an understatement. The reality is that the Kingdom of God is the very power of God, not "out there somewhere", but right here, among us, in our hands. No, we're not ready for it, yet. But it's coming whether we're ready or not. That's why the Gospel is urgent.

I'm not sure if you'll follow my logic on this... but the way I am interpreting what you're saying is this:

"Life on this Earth has no purpose, except to have faith in God, as you will end up in God's eternal kingdom"

I'm not saying that's right or wrong... and if that's what you believe, that's fine...

but for those of us who don't believe in God,

I don't want my grandchildren to live in a world full of goddamn Nazi's and sitting here waiting for a miracle ain't gonna do shit

 

[ClaytonB]

I'm not sure if you'll follow my logic on this... but the way I am interpreting what you're saying is this:

"Life on this Earth has no purpose, except to have faith in God, as you will end up in God's eternal kingdom"

Well, yes, if you strip it down to the a single-sentence summary, the purpose of all existence is Jesus Christ. "All things have been created through him and for him." (Col. 1:16b)

but for those of us who don't believe in God,

For some reason, I thought you were a believer, that's why I was quoting the Bible.

I don't want my grandchildren to live in a world full of goddamn Nazi's and sitting here waiting for a miracle ain't gonna do $#@!

Well, I don't know what to tell you. If you don't believe, the only thing you need to worry about is God's judgment. The Nazis are nowhere on your list of actual concerns. No matter how terrifying you think the Nazis are, God's wrath is incomparably worse.

 

[TheTexan]

Well, yes, if you strip it down to the a single-sentence summary, the purpose of all existence is Jesus Christ. "All things have been created through him and for him." (Col. 1:16b)



For some reason, I thought you were a believer, that's why I was quoting the Bible.



Well, I don't know what to tell you. If you don't believe, the only thing you need to worry about is God's judgment. The Nazis are nowhere on your list of actual concerns. No matter how terrifying you think the Nazis are, God's wrath is incomparably worse.

Even if I were religious, I doubt God's intention for the Earthly plane was for his believers to twiddle their thumbs waiting for either death or apocalypse.

Does what you do on this Earth, besides have faith in God, even matter?

I would assume that God put these challenges on earth, not only to test his followers, but for them to actually do something about it.

I remember that clip a while back about that dude saying our purpose on earth is to slay the dragon.

Why the fuck aren't we slaying the dragon? Why the fuck shouldn't we be?

 

[ClaytonB]

Even if I were religious, I doubt God's intention for the Earthly plane was for his believers to twiddle their thumbs waiting for either death or apocalypse.

No, it's not. The enemy propaganda, however, tries to claim that it is.

Does what you do on this Earth, besides have faith in God, even matter?

It depends. Many of the things we do, matter. These are the works that are done "in Christ". It mainly has to do with whether we mix sin into them, or not. Everything into which sin is mixed is unredeemable and will be burnt away in the (spiritual) flames at the end of all things. That's not metaphor, it's literal, although there is no simple way to describe it in literal language, which is why Scripture describes it in symbolic form.

I would assume that God put these challenges on earth, not only to test his followers, but for them to actually do something about it.

Life is not a test. What we do here echoes in eternity, as Marcus Aurelius said, but unlike the pagan view of things, not everything we do (or don't do) matters in that way. We are babes, not military recruits.

I remember that clip a while back about that dude saying our purpose on earth is to slay the dragon.

Why the $#@! aren't we slaying the dragon? Why the $#@! shouldn't we be?

The dragon is too big to be reduced to a few traitors being lined against a wall and shot. The traitors in that imagery are just one facet or manifestation of the dragon. In a sense, the dragon of Revelation is every such treachery superimposed on top of each other, like some kind of intangible, invisible super-organism. I'm painting a poetic picture to help you get the idea. Cyberwarfare might be another picture that could help you wrap your brain around it, at least partially. You can't see the bits and bytes flying around causing computer systems to shut down or malfunction, nevertheless, their effects are just as real as missile strikes and, in modern warfare, are used in concert with conventional forces to increase their effect. The coming war will be no different and, in the course of witnessing it, humanity will come to understand what the heavens (shamayim) really are. They are an integral part of all of us, no less real than your hands or your face. This is why the war of Armageddon will happen within people, that is, in their hearts and minds. And that's why the Gospel is the basic field manual for spiritual warfare. The Snake is far, far more manipulative and deceptive than we think...

 

[Swordsmyth]

Even if I were religious, I doubt God's intention for the Earthly plane was for his believers to twiddle their thumbs waiting for either death or apocalypse.

Does what you do on this Earth, besides have faith in God, even matter?

I would assume that God put these challenges on earth, not only to test his followers, but for them to actually do something about it.

I remember that clip a while back about that dude saying our purpose on earth is to slay the dragon.

Why the $#@! aren't we slaying the dragon? Why the $#@! shouldn't we be?

 

[paleocon1]

Yes, and it's a grotesque fact of the fallen world that should never have existed in the first place and will end sooner or later. The only question is when.







Every sentence you write could be shouted at a counter-Antifa rally. These are just soundbytes, useful only for boosting morale and trying to shout down the opposition's slogans by achieving a greater crowd volume. Useless for identifying the errors of leftism. Everything you write is leftism in substance, but with "GOP" painted on top, in typical neocon/crypto-Marxist fashion. I have to admit that the GOP's NPC-bots are a lot more realistic than the Leftist-Dem NPC-bots. Still bots.



That's why this war ultimately goes to the name of Jesus. I don't give a damn about institutions. The institutions (governmental, commercial, religious) will either get in line with the Agenda (God's Agenda) or be bulldozed, burnt to ash, tilled, sowed with salt and then paved into a concrete parking lot. Let the Marxists infiltrate everything till their brains fall out, it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference when this escalates to the final showdown. Soon

you strike me as a judas goat Clayton B