WaPo: Black Americans May Need to ‘Flee’ U.S. Due to ‘Crazy White People’

[ClaytonB]

Nope, we must drive out those who seek to destroy us and our liberty.
There can be no peace with those who hate us, they will not change and we cannot change them.

And I suppose we should deport Thomas Sowell since, after all, he is black.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Leftists of all colors are the invaders, they have a foreign culture and on average have much shorter family histories here.

If you define "us" and "them" in terms of skin color, you contradict Scripture.

And I suppose we should deport Thomas Sowell since, after all, he is black.

Please pay closer attention.

I want to expel the leftists of all colors and nobody else.

The only reason skin color is involved in this conversation is because of leftist blacks saying they want to leave.

What percentage of blacks that is is not my fault.

 

[Okie RP fan]

I agree that people should unite under their respective religion(s) or humanity no matter skin color (even though some of my comments on here may seem contrary to that, those comments are usually only surface level social commentary). I believe that we should love one another. That used to be a common thread.
Now, everyone hates this or that group for some silly reason. Or you get some groups who don't hate anyone but are being hated on because group Z tells everyone else to.

It's hard to navigate and in some respects I do understand what blacks and other minorities (minority whites like the Irish included) have gone through. This stuff is also present outside of the U.S. and people don't realize that. It's human nature to go tribal and sync up with others like us. Jesus Christ saw that and put forth guidelines to stop that. Things go well when people adhere to those. Things go awry and succumb to human nature when they revert.

Having said all of that, I am trying to love everyone but that becomes very hard when you see literal evil and nonsense flying around everywhere. Leftists grooming children, leftists trying to normalize pedophilia and other perverse forms of fornication, leftists trying to strip away natural God-given rights, etc.

As [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] puts succinctly above, my enemy is identified and it's either us or them. They only know force. They will only back down when we make them. And they will, but they are so used to us rolling over and not biting back. I'm trying to figure all of this out and how it relates to turning the other cheek or being ran into a corner until there's nowhere else to go. The early Christians faced such tribulations, but they didn't stop...

 

[69360]

The leading cause of death for black men is other black men. And white people are crazy? Maybe get your own house in line first? Stop listening to the white left liberals. They don't want to help you prosper. They fear you and want to control you.

 

[RJB]

Sorry. I posted something in the wrong thread.

 

[ClaytonB]

I want to expel the leftists of all colors and nobody else.

OK, but the OP point Invisible Man was making was about skin color.

And leftism as a personal opinion is not the problem. Freedom of thought/speech means you are free to be a leftist. But leftism in practice -- meaning Marxist revolution and all the insidious practices leading up to that -- is just rebellious insurrection in disguise. In other words, you can believe and print whatever opinion you like, but the moment you reach for the levers of power, that's where the problem is. So deportation can't be based on private opinions and speaking/writing alone.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

So deportation can't be based on private opinions and speaking/writing alone.

Anyone advocating for leftism is going to be reaching for those levers of power in one way or another. Their "long march through the institutions" is evidence of that reality. What they say or write is only harmless when they do not possess power, but that does mean they do not actively work to subvert existing hierarchies. Naturally, these efforts reach a critical mass as their influence spreads at the behest of their persistent ideologues. Understanding the nature of leftism, one must necessarily conclude that leftists absolutely should be deported for its advocation in word or print.

Wise rulers do not suffer Machiavellians. Leftism is Machiavellianism as a political movement.

 

[ClaytonB]

Anyone advocating for leftism is going to be reaching for those levers of power in one way or another.

This is meaningless drivel. The point is that the 1A protects opinions that we not only disagree with, but opinions that really are dangerous to society. If it did not, then they could use their Biden-puppet to have us all rounded up because supporting the 2A is, per them, "dangerous to society". One need point no further than Paul Kingsnorth as an example of someone who was once a heart-and-soul believer in the Left, but then realized later in life it was all a sham and a lie. I am glad to have Kingsnorth with us, and it would be a crime against liberty and the 1A if people like him, when he was young, were to be driven out. In short, baiting censorship of the left by the right-wing is just Marxism-in-drag. If your philosophical foundation is so weak that you cannot justify what you believe without gagging the other side, you're the problem.

Their "long march through the institutions" is evidence of that reality. What they say or write is only harmless when they do not possess power, but that does mean they do not actively work to subvert existing hierarchies. Naturally, these efforts reach a critical mass as their influence spreads at the behest of their persistent ideologues. Understanding the nature of leftism, one must necessarily conclude that leftists absolutely should be deported for its advocation in word or print.

Wise rulers do not suffer Machiavellians. Leftism is Machiavellianism as a political movement.

Then God is a fool. The moment their finger touches the lever, that is when it is actionable. Until then, let them opine until they can't see straight. That's the whole point of the 1A. If you want to throw out the 1A, that makes you anti-patriotic, so don't try to wrap yourself in the flag and play the patriot while denouncing an amendment so foundational to our system of government that it was put before the 2A.

 

[paleocon1]

Well said. Those are the only two options. It's not even a debate.

You Feel That Way because REALITY causes you to wet yourself. Grow up. Buck up. Be a Man.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

This is meaningless drivel. The point is that the 1A protects opinions that we not only disagree with, but opinions that really are dangerous to society. If it did not, then they could use their Biden-puppet to have us all rounded up because supporting the 2A is, per them, "dangerous to society". One need point no further than Paul Kingsnorth as an example of someone who was once a heart-and-soul believer in the Left, but then realized later in life it was all a sham and a lie. I am glad to have Kingsnorth with us, and it would be a crime against liberty and the 1A if people like him, when he was young, were to be driven out. In short, baiting censorship of the left by the right-wing is just Marxism-in-drag. If your philosophical foundation is so weak that you cannot justify what you believe without gagging the other side, you're the problem.

The fact some individuals eventually pull their head out of their ass does not compensate for the damage caused by the many leftists that keep their cranium firmly embedded in their rectum. That aside, there is a wide gulf between simply having an opinion and endorsing an ideology that is destructive by advocating for its adoption in word or print.

That aside, the 1A would be wiped out by leftists. They like it when it can be used to undermine their enemies and dispense with it when it can be used to destroy their enemies.

The 1A, like the entire Bill of Rights, is best when applied to a population bonded together by a shared set of ideals. Leftists do not share those ideals and are entirely incompatible with the epistemology that generated them. Tolerating something diametrically opposed to your values is not a virtue.

Then God is a fool. The moment their finger touches the lever, that is when it is actionable. Until then, let them opine until they can't see straight. That's the whole point of the 1A. If you want to throw out the 1A, that makes you anti-patriotic, so don't try to wrap yourself in the flag and play the patriot while denouncing an amendment so foundational to our system of government that it was put before the 2A.

You are not the first person that is easily exploited by a Machiavellian, and you will not be the last. This asinine notion that you wait for a leftist to do something overt before excising the cancer they represent is precisely why their systematic subversion is so wildly successful. Leftists do not do anything overt until after they have thoroughly subverted the existing institutions that would punish them for their actions.

 

[ClaytonB]

The fact some individuals eventually pull their head out of their ass does not compensate for the damage caused by the many leftists that keep their cranium firmly embedded in their rectum. That aside, there is a wide gulf between simply having an opinion and endorsing an ideology that is destructive by advocating for its adoption in word or print.

As soon as you are willing to sacrifice the rights of one individual for the good of the many, you have become a collectivist and a Marxist.

That aside, the 1A would be wiped out by leftists.

If it was so easy, it would have already been done long ago. They have been openly expressing their hostility to the 1A for generations. Now the "enlightened" neocon/alt-right has joined them in opposing the 1A, the only difference is that they pinky-promise to only gag leftists.

They like it when it can be used to undermine their enemies and dispense with it when it can be used to destroy their enemies.

Which is exactly what you are proposing, just in reverse.

The 1A, like the entire Bill of Rights, is best when applied to a population bonded together by a shared set of ideals.

This is just collectivism. "Greater good"...

Leftists do not share those ideals and are entirely incompatible with the epistemology that generated them. Tolerating something diametrically opposed to your values is not a virtue.

Not just tolerating, but showing hospitality and love. We must love our enemies. Yes, there is such a thing as using self-defense against a crook, but self-defense is only justifiable for operational threats. Just because you hate me doesn't justify me to nuke you. It's not until you make an actual move against me that I would (possibly) be justified. The law of Christ is a much higher standard and if we're serious about changing things, that's the only way it's going to happen.

wait for a leftist to do something overt before excising the cancer they represent is precisely why their systematic subversion is so wildly successful.

No, the reason it's so successful is that many on the right are lazy thinkers and so they don't want to do the heavy-lifting of actually understanding, in detail, what is wrong with Leftist views. Yes, it's a pain-in-the-ass to have to refute them, but it is ground that must be tilled. Just covering the hard-pack and torching weeds is the lazy man's way out of proper tilling. Understand what is wrong with Leftism, and how to refute it, and then you realize why it's not necessary to gag them. The more they speak, the more they just make fools of themselves; that is, unless their opponents are a bunch of lame-brain right-wingers who would rather drop JDAMs in the desert than actually be bothered to read a book.

Leftists do not do anything overt until after they have thoroughly subverted the existing institutions that would punish them for their actions.

The act of subversion itself is actionable. Teaching children Marxism in class is not a neutral 1A activity. And so on up the chain of causality. If a college professor at a private university wants to believe and teach whatever nonsense, so be it. He shouldn't be able to work on the public dime if he's teaching Marxism. And the moment he sits on a board or joins a political caucus, his opinions are no longer 1A abstractions, they are concrete and actionable. That is putting the hand on the levers of power.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

If it was so easy, it would have already been done long ago. They have been openly expressing their hostility to the 1A for generations. Now the "enlightened" neocon/alt-right has joined them in opposing the 1A, the only difference is that they pinky-promise to only gag leftists.

The "long march through the institutions" would like a word with you. That an enemy has not succeeded up to this point does not mean they have not made progress toward their goal. Their lack of success against the 1A/BoR in the past does not indicate that will always be the case. This is why great men of times past made it a point that liberty must be jealously guarded.

This is just collectivism. "Greater good"...

All civilizations are a manifestation of a form of collectivism. The only question is what a given collective is orientated around. The Bill of Rights was created with the greater good in mind and fought for by a collective of men that shared a set of ideals.

Not just tolerating, but showing hospitality and love. We must love our enemies. Yes, there is such a thing as using self-defense against a crook, but self-defense is only justifiable for operational threats. Just because you hate me doesn't justify me to nuke you. It's not until you make an actual move against me that I would (possibly) be justified. The law of Christ is a much higher standard and if we're serious about changing things, that's the only way it's going to happen.

You are not the first person that is easily exploited by a Machiavellian, and you will not be the last.

No, the reason it's so successful is that many on the right are lazy thinkers and so they don't want to do the heavy-lifting of actually understanding, in detail, what is wrong with Leftist views. Yes, it's a pain-in-the-ass to have to refute them, but it is ground that must be tilled. Just covering the hard-pack and torching weeds is the lazy man's way out of proper tilling. Understand what is wrong with Leftism, and how to refute it, and then you realize why it's not necessary to gag them. The more they speak, the more they just make fools of themselves; that is, unless their opponents are a bunch of lame-brain right-wingers who would rather drop JDAMs in the desert than actually be bothered to read a book.

The refutations of leftism have been around for as long as humanity has. None of them are hard to understand. What people like you fail to understand is that leftists are not seeking a debate or to be correct. They are seeking power. The pursuit of power is endemic to the species. The problem has been there before we existed, and it will be there long after we are dead.

The act of subversion itself is actionable.

Humans are not God. As such, there are actions both seen and unseen. Subversion typically falls under the "unseen" category. Trying to act against that which you cannot say for certain is occurring, meaning it cannot be pinned on one person beyond all doubt, guarantees it will proliferate and metastasize. This means people like you are thoroughly incapable of stopping leftists at all. That which you can act against but will not, their advocating of leftism in word or print, will be used to their benefit. That which you cannot act against but would if you could identify the specific individuals responsible, their subversion of existing hierarchies/institutions, will continue unimpeded as it is to their benefit.

When the day comes that you can finally pin their "actionable subversion" to an identifiable party, you will find there is no institution willing to do anything about it as the subversion has already occurred. This is because you are what enabled their "long march through the institutions" to reach its desired destination.

 

[ClaytonB]

All civilizations are a manifestation of a form of collectivism.

Yes, and it's a grotesque fact of the fallen world that should never have existed in the first place and will end sooner or later. The only question is when.

The refutations of leftism have been around for as long as humanity has. None of them are hard to understand. What people like you fail to understand is that leftists are not seeking a debate or to be correct. They are seeking power. The pursuit of power is endemic to the species. The problem has been there before we existed, and it will be there long after we are dead.

Every sentence you write could be shouted at a counter-Antifa rally. These are just soundbytes, useful only for boosting morale and trying to shout down the opposition's slogans by achieving a greater crowd volume. Useless for identifying the errors of leftism. Everything you write is leftism in substance, but with "GOP" painted on top, in typical neocon/crypto-Marxist fashion. I have to admit that the GOP's NPC-bots are a lot more realistic than the Leftist-Dem NPC-bots. Still bots.

When the day comes that you can finally pin their "actionable subversion" to an identifiable party, you will find there is no institution willing to do anything about it as the subversion has already occurred. This is because you are what enabled their "long march through the institutions" to reach its desired destination.

That's why this war ultimately goes to the name of Jesus. I don't give a damn about institutions. The institutions (governmental, commercial, religious) will either get in line with the Agenda (God's Agenda) or be bulldozed, burnt to ash, tilled, sowed with salt and then paved into a concrete parking lot. Let the Marxists infiltrate everything till their brains fall out, it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference when this escalates to the final showdown. Soon

 

[BSWPaulsen]

Every sentence you write could be shouted at a counter-Antifa rally. These are just soundbytes, useful only for boosting morale and truing to shout down the opposition's slogans by achieving a greater crowd volume. Useless for identifying the errors of leftism. Everything you write is leftism in substance, but with "GOP" painted on top, in typical neocon/crypto-Marxist fashion. I have to admit that the GOP's NPC-bots are a lot more realistic than the Leftist-Dem NPC-bots. Still bots.

If you seriously believe that debating with or correcting leftists on points of their philosophy is capable of putting an end to leftism, then you do not understand the purpose of leftism. You might be on some search for truth that uses reason and logic. They are not on a search for anything other than power. If truth is useful toward that end, then they will use it. If truth is not useful toward that end, then they will ignore it. Such is Machiavellianism. Their goals are not your goals, and their ways are not your ways. A person that cannot understand what their foe is after is placed at a severe disadvantage.

That's why this war ultimately goes to the name of Jesus. I don't give a damn about institutions. The institutions (governmental, commercial, religious) will either get in line with the Agenda (God's Agenda) or be bulldozed, burnt to ash, tilled, sowed with salt and then paved into a concrete parking lot. Let the Marxists infiltrate everything till their brains fall out, it isn't going to make a damn bit of difference when this escalates to the final showdown. Soon

I am underwhelmed by anyone that thinks God is going to be the one resolving their problems. God sure as hell did not help any of the individuals in the countries subverted and conquered by the Marxists in the past, so there is no reason to believe God is going to do anything at all this time. If you do not care about Marxists infiltrating institutions, then you epitomize ineffectual resistance to leftism. Any "final showdown" that hands every logistical advantage to the enemy and requires divine intervention to succeed is one that will be brutally consigned to the dustbin of history.

 

[ClaytonB]

If you seriously believe that debating with or correcting leftists on points of their philosophy is capable of putting an end to leftism, then you do not understand the purpose of leftism.

I don't care about leftism or its purpose because it doesn't matter. It's like caring about the purpose of 2+2=5 ... it is false and it can have no purpose. Leftism is attractive to people for the same reason that fool's gold is attractive -- it glitters in the sunlight and it seems like the real thing, but it is not. Many fall into the traps of leftist delusion and not escape until later in life. That's called learning. If you and the other 1A-deniers on RPF had their way, we would supposedly be deporting all these people. But of course, that's not what would actually happen, what would happen is that your attempt to deport them would be the casus belli the Left has been holding out for all along. The Left would love nothing more than for the neocon/alt-righters to call for a repeal of the 1A. That's their dream-scenario and you "patriotic" Constitution-haters are playing into the Machiavellian trap.

You might be on some search for truth that uses reason and logic. They are not on a search for anything other than power.

Power that is not consistent with reason and logic is strictly temporary.

If truth is useful toward that end, then they will use it. If truth is not useful toward that end, then they will ignore it. Such is Machiavellianism. Their goals are not your goals, and their ways are not your ways.

We can agree that they are idiots. The question is whether they are sincerely duped (for example, your typical college student) or just playing the idiot for other purposes (Clowns).

I am underwhelmed by anyone that thinks God is going to be the one resolving their problems. God sure as hell did not help any of the individuals in the countries subverted and conquered by the Marxists in the past, so there is no reason to believe God is going to do anything at all this time. If you do not care about Marxists infiltrating institutions, then you epitomize ineffectual resistance to leftism. Any "final showdown" that hands every logistical advantage to the enemy and requires divine intervention to succeed is one that will be brutally consigned to the dustbin of history.

Let's put it to the test, then. I've gotten worse from better. This time is not like all the other times, you can bet on it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If you seriously believe that debating with or correcting leftists on points of their philosophy is capable of putting an end to leftism, then you do not understand the purpose of leftism. You might be on some search for truth that uses reason and logic. They are not on a search for anything other than power. If truth is useful toward that end, then they will use it. If truth is not useful toward that end, then they will ignore it. Such is Machiavellianism. Their goals are not your goals, and their ways are not your ways. A person that cannot understand what their foe is after is placed at a severe disadvantage.

I am underwhelmed by anyone that thinks God is going to be the one resolving their problems. God sure as hell did not help any of the individuals in the countries subverted and conquered by the Marxists in the past, so there is no reason to believe God is going to do anything at all this time. If you do not care about Marxists infiltrating institutions, then you epitomize ineffectual resistance to leftism. Any "final showdown" that hands every logistical advantage to the enemy and requires divine intervention to succeed is one that will be brutally consigned to the dustbin of history.

Plus rep.

Exactly.

Trying to debate with or persuade a Marxist is like trying to reason with a rattlesnake.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

I don't care about leftism or its purpose because it doesn't matter. It's like caring about the purpose of 2+2=5 ... it is false and it can have no purpose.

You do not care about the purpose of something that can and does kill millions of people. You do not care about something that severely reduces the quality of life for those that it does not kill. The fact it is false has no bearing whatsoever on whether it has a purpose. As stated before, its purpose is the pursuit of power. The only thing that matters is the outcome created by its designed purpose.

That's their dream-scenario and you "patriotic" Constitution-haters are playing into the Machiavellian trap.

Truly, you do not understand how leftists work at all. No, the removal of the 1A is not their dream scenario. The 1A only has meaning if there are institutions to enforce it. Like all rights, they only have practical relevance if they are supported by sufficient power. The Machiavellians know that they do not have to have it formally removed to achieve their purpose. That is how subversion works. If a situation is reached upon which the removal of the 1A is to their advantage, then it is a strong indicator that they already control all of the relevant levers of power due to systematic subversion over a long period of time. At this point, it is obvious that you have no idea at all about how this game is played.

But of course, that's not what would actually happen, what would happen is that your attempt to deport them would be the cassus belli the Left has been holding out for all along.

The tumor must be excised at some point. It will not be pretty.

Power that is not consistent with reason and logic is strictly temporary.

That is no consolation for the millions that died at the hands of Marxists. The fact the power is temporary does not negate its significance.

Let's put it to the test, then. I've gotten worse from better. This time is not like all the other times, you can bet on it.

I would rather not let the situation degenerate to such a point that only divine intervention can save the day. You can keep that kind of ineffectual nonsense to yourself.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Plus rep.

Exactly.

Trying to debate with or persuade a Marxist is like trying to reason with a rattlesnake.

We need St. Patrick.

 

[BSWPaulsen]

Trying to debate with or persuade a Marxist is like trying to reason with a rattlesnake.

It is far more dangerous than that. If you do come to be a perceived thorn in a Marxist's side for any reason at all, then you are an obstacle to their acquisition of power. Such obstacles can be removed in many ways, and the chances of them being adequately punished for it are slim to none when their allies occupy important positions.

They know the effect of violence on the human psyche, and the advantages that can be derived from making examples of their enemies. Absent direct violence, there are always more passive tools such as intimidation and other forms of psychological warfare. Nothing is off the table for those that believe the ends justifies the means.

Finally, even if they do not end up viewing you as an immediate obstacle, they most certainly will remember what you stand for. Should they gain power, your attempt to debate or persuade them will not go unpunished.

Compared to all of that, I would much rather attempt to reason with a rattlesnake.

All that aside, it is always good to see you on here Anti Federalist.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It is far more dangerous than that. If you do come to be a perceived thorn in a Marxist's side for any reason at all, then you are an obstacle to their acquisition of power. Such obstacles can be removed in many ways, and the chances of them being adequately punished for it are slim to none when their allies occupy important positions.

They know the effect of violence on the human psyche, and the advantages that can be derived from making examples of their enemies. Absent direct violence, there are always more passive tools such as intimidation and other forms of psychological warfare. Nothing is off the table for those that believe the ends justifies the means.

Finally, even if they do not end up viewing you as an immediate obstacle, they most certainly will remember what you stand for. Should they gain power, your attempt to debate or persuade them will not go unpunished.

Compared to all of that, I would much rather attempt to reason with a rattlesnake.

All that aside, it is always good to see you on here Anti Federalist.

It's trying to reason or coexist with a vampire.