Wage Strikes Planned at Fast-Food Outlets

NorthCarolinaLiberty said:
I think your story is great. I certainly appreciate hearing about such success.

You are now, however, going beyond the one dimensional hard work the you previously cited. You mention mindsets, focusing on acquisitions, investing, and sacrifice. The word sacrifice is actually a good example of something that goes beyond work. You can sacrifice others things besides time. People at the top often must sacrifice items such as ego.
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The issue of hard work and long hours came into play regarding the subject of the OP. He complains that he does not earn enough money, he complains that he does not have the $100 for his license, but he has not (at least from the article) demonstrated that he is willing to work to get what he wants. As I posed earlier, if he is only working 20 hours a week flipping burgers, what the hell is he doing with the rest of his time. If he wants to achieve some measure of financial security, he should be willing to work to do so.
 
angelatc said:
I guess you don't actually read much early literature. Horatio Alger stories told the tales of young men who worked hard and climbed out of poverty into the middle class.

Which is actually what happens to most of the poor in America.
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No, the great majority of poor people do not rise to middle class. Close to half of them actually stay at the bottom.

That is the myth of Alger.
 
Horatio Alger was a gay pedophile who lured in boys with promises of upward mobility.
 
CaptLouAlbano said:
The issue of hard work and long hours came into play regarding the subject of the OP. He complains that he does not earn enough money, he complains that he does not have the $100 for his license, but he has not (at least from the article) demonstrated that he is willing to work to get what he wants. As I posed earlier, if he is only working 20 hours a week flipping burgers, what the hell is he doing with the rest of his time. If he wants to achieve some measure of financial security, he should be willing to work to do so.
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Eh, it's a formulaic story from a reporter trying to sell papers. It creates dichotomous discussions like this that get people all worked up, which sells even more papers.

They don't even need to get an actual person any more. You could just invent a composite person with those qualities and items.
 
NorthCarolinaLiberty said:
Eh, it's a formulaic story from a reporter trying to sell papers. It creates dichotomous discussions like this that get people all worked up, which sells even more papers.

They don't even need to get an actual person any more. You could just invent a composite person with those qualities and items.
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I'm pretty sure that has happened.
 
NorthCarolinaLiberty said:
No, the great majority of poor people do not rise to middle class. Close to half of them actually stay at the bottom.

That is the myth of Alger.
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That's simply not true - you should stop getting your news from Think Progress.http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/11/more-on-us-poor-getting-richer-envy-of.html

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And this from Walter Williams:

"Poverty in the United States, in an absolute sense, has virtually disappeared. Today, there's nothing remotely resembling poverty of yesteryear. However, if poverty is defined in the relative sense, the lowest fifth of income-earners, "poverty" will always be with us. No matter how poverty is defined, if I were an unborn spirit, condemned to a life of poverty, but God allowed me to choose which nation I wanted to be poor in, I'd choose the United States. Our poor must be the envy of the world's poor."
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This still can be done today, but takes a mindset that most people do not have. One, is that you have to deny yourself pleasures until you are able to afford things. Second is that you have to focus on acquiring assets that produce income. Both of these key components, few people do, but those who do them are wealthy. It doesn't take much, but one has to be willing to put in the long hours it takes to get the money to invest, and one also has to be willing to make sacrifices along the way. For many years, I didn't know what a day off was. Holidays? Forget them. Dining out? No. Vacations? No. If one is willing to sacrifice, then becoming wealthy is relatively easy. The problem is, few are willing to do so.
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I'm 18. Is there even going to be any wealth when I'm 75? I'll be very, very pleasantly surprised if our government hasn't entirely annihilated the concept.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
I'm 18. Is there even going to be any wealth when I'm 75? I'll be very, very pleasantly surprised if our government hasn't entirely annihilated the concept.
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Yes, there will. Don't kid yourself, these principles have applied throughout history.
 
CaptLouAlbano said:
In this case, if someone is scheduled to work on a particular day and they refuse to work, then while they are pursuing their own self-interest they are indeed hurting someone else.
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Hurting your bottom line for the day. So what? That's not theft and not my problem.

Assuming I work for you and I go on strike I am depriving your business of my labor, a valuable part of your businesses' service. Why? Because I believe I deserve/need a wage raise-- that you wouldn't give me, because that was not your problem. You have two options, give me a raise and I will stop striking or fire me.
 
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VoluntaryAmerican said:
Hurting your bottom line for the day. So what? That's not theft and not my problem.

Assuming I work for you and I go on strike I am depriving your business of my labor, a valuable part of your businesses' service. Why? Because I believe I deserve/need a wage raise-- that you wouldn't give me, because that was not your problem. You have two options, give me a raise and I will stop striking or fire me.
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I would fire you. If the only way you are capable of generating a higher wage is by going on strike then you aren't worth employing.
 
VoluntaryAmerican said:
That's fine. And I would tell everyone I know that your business pays its employees poorly. (Assuming its true)
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And that's fine. I would pay my good employees well and wouldn't have to worry about the bad publicity. And if I didn't, I deserve the consequences.
 
Origanalist said:
Yes, there will. Don't kid yourself, these principles have applied throughout history.
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Well, I know there will always be some "wealth" but I mean, will there really be anything in the private sector? I mean, I'm guessing there wasn't in Soviet Russia. I can see us at that point when I'm 75.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Well, I know there will always be some "wealth" but I mean, will there really be anything in the private sector? I mean, I'm guessing there wasn't in Soviet Russia. I can see us at that point when I'm 75.
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Do you really think there were no rich people in the Soviet Union? I'm denying myself at this moment in history because I refuse to contribute. But I still manage just fine under the radar and if I wasn't so pissed off at our system and decided to fully engage I could rake in some fairly high numbers right now.
 
angelatc said:
That's simply not true - you should stop getting your news from Think Progress.http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/11/more-on-us-poor-getting-richer-envy-of.html

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And this from Walter Williams:
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The chart is a snapshot in time, not one of comparison. Social mobility is, by definition, two variables. A chart like that says nothing about social mobility. Most poor people simply remain poor.

Most of those items also don't even represent what it means to be middle class. It's pretty much a given that poor people drive cars, own refrigerators, and watch color TV. Even the few items that could represent middle class today are still not owned by a majority of the poor.
 
Tomorrow afternoon , I am going to swing by Captain D's , pick up four pc.'s of fish , 16 fried shrimp , for $11.70 ( drop it off @ work for a couple guys ) .Thurs , maybe stop by the Waffle House , that should do me for fast food until next year :)
 
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