Wage Strikes Planned at Fast-Food Outlets

[silverhandorder]

Only mystery left to solve is why uwdude posts here.

 

[angelatc]

Only mystery left to solve is why uwdude posts here.

He has a cushy union job, so he has lots of free time to troll the internet.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Lastly, I applaud him for getting himself some education with his pharmacy tech education. But again, if you want to get the license, then go out and cut lawns or clean houses or something to make that money.

Why the crap do you have to get a license? That would be the government's fault, not his.

Not justifying everything else, but still.

 

[Christian Liberty]

There is no reason 23 year olds should have to slave away their youth, 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, to get a living wage. Your rant is so damn zany, and yet on these forums, it is just part and parcel of the libertarian utopia you damn fools keep trying to sell that nobody buys. If slaving youth away is your idea of a great system, then fuck that system. There is something wrong with it.

There is an enormous layer of bureaucracies, middlemen, and entitlements being swallowed up by the older, more powerful generations, and they have the gall to actually call the young lazy and stupid.

I don't think what CaptLou is describing would actually be necessary in a "libertarian utopia." He probably knows it too.

 

[Origanalist]

I don't think what CaptLou is describing would actually be necessary in a "libertarian utopia." He probably knows it too.

The Dude is just ranting, like usual. It's not his fault, there is something in the water in Seattle's University district. I don't think the Captain would describe himself as a libertarian. But I'll let him speak for himself on that.

 

[UWDude]

There is a fundamental truth to life, and that is those who work hard, work smart and work long hours will be successful.

Tell that to the millions of slaves who died penniless. Tell that to the billions of sweat shop workers that died in a tin shack and penniless, even though they worked their whole lives. There is no fundamental truth to your nonsense.

The real fundamental truth is sometimes old people hate the young because they are jealous.


Look at yourselves!

"why don't people love our message of freedom? All we are saying is freedom is slavery, that in our free market paradise people would just simply have to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, in their youth, to get a humble abode and a used car! Isn't that wonderful? Why don't people like us?"

And what is even sillier, is this has nothing to do with free market economics, and everything to do with many of you miserable people showing your miserable, spiteful hatred of your fellow man.

He has a cushy union job, so he has lots of free time to troll the internet.

My job is full time, and not union.

Obviously YOU do not have a full time job, union or otherwise, because you are here 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, slaving your pathetic life away to typing out your hatreds.

 

[UWDude]

I don't think what CaptLou is describing would actually be necessary in a "libertarian utopia." He probably knows it too.

You would think so, yet he is saying that is the way it should be. Under what system? Under what wonderful economic system should people be slaving their youth away? Are you all hoping once Ron Paul is president, teh youth will have to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is that your idea of great leadership, and a great, working economy?

It's just plain stupid.

 

[Christian Liberty]

The Dude is just ranting, like usual. It's not his fault, there is something in the water in Seattle's University district. I don't think the Captain would describe himself as a libertarian. But I'll let him speak for himself on that.

I actually partially agree with what he's saying, although not completely. There's some room in between 20 hours a week and literally working every waking moment. I'm actually somewhat surprised nobody has pointed this out, unless CaptLou is just being hyperbolic.

Personally, I see no use in having nice things if I have absolutely no time to enjoy them

I have no doubt CaptLou would not describe himself as a libertarian, but I have no doubt he still knows that pretty much everyone (Government bureaucrats are definitely an exception, military and police might also be exceptions) would be better off in a free market economy, and that people wouldn't need to work 112 hours a week (Or whatever the figure is) in order to make a living.

That said, his point isn't entirely wrong either. Obviously with reality the way it is, you have to work and make the best of it, while also trying to fix it.

 

[Christian Liberty]

You would think so, yet he is saying that is the way it should be. Under what system? Under what wonderful economic system should people be slaving their youth away? Are you all hoping once Ron Paul is president, teh youth will have to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is that your idea of great leadership, and a great, working economy?

It's just plain stupid.

First of all, I should point out that we are talking about one of my least favorite posters here. I'm not defending him. I'm definitely not in the same "You all" as he is either.

But I don't think he's saying that it should be that way. I think he's saying that that's what the kid should be willing to do, if he needs to, to get the things he wants, rather than just complaining about it. But I don't think he's saying that every 23 year old would be working that much, or would have to, in an ideal free market economy. Maybe I underestimate him, but I don't think he's saying that. I know that if he is saying that, less than 10% of the people here would agree with him.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Regarding the issue, I'm with VoluntaryAmerican. He has the right to strike if he wants. If the owner wants to fire him, that's his right too.

 

[UWDude]

But I don't think he's saying that it should be that way. .

He specifically said that is the way it should be.

 

[Christian Liberty]

He specifically said that is the way it should be.

I read his post again. He may have meant that, but I'm not sure.

That said, you're absolutely correct that that's NOT what would happen in a free market economy, so his opinion doesn't really matter.

And the saddest thing about this whole thing is there is really only one solution that will be implemented: The Socialist Solution where by everyone else gets to afford this guys expenses.

Yep. And then nobody works and everyone dies.

 

[Rocco]

Ahhhh, college boy libertarians. The bane of my existence. Let me guess, you got into Ron Paul because he was anti war and pro pot but never actually registered GOP to vote for him, right? Just did some sign waving? The truth is that CaptLou's fundamental truth IS correct (apart from those so oppressed by governments that they were not able to rise above it. That does not exist here). The harder you work in this world, the more successful you will be. Your vitriolic ranting against that point is comical and shows you really have some growing up to do.

Tell that to the millions of slaves who died penniless. Tell that to the billions of sweat shop workers that died in a tin shack and penniless, even though they worked their whole lives. There is no fundamental truth to your nonsense.

The real fundamental truth is sometimes old people hate the young because they are jealous.


Look at yourselves!

"why don't people love our message of freedom? All we are saying is freedom is slavery, that in our free market paradise people would just simply have to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, in their youth, to get a humble abode and a used car! Isn't that wonderful? Why don't people like us?"

And what is even sillier, is this has nothing to do with free market economics, and everything to do with many of you miserable people showing your miserable, spiteful hatred of your fellow man.




My job is full time, and not union.

Obviously YOU do not have a full time job, union or otherwise, because you are here 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, slaving your pathetic life away to typing out your hatreds.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Second point, is that if he wants to afford a car and an apartment, why then is he not working elsewhere to make the money? Yes, jobs are scarce, but they still do exist. There are over 100 hours per week where he could be working, the article infers that his fast food job is his only job. So, then if he wants these things he desires, then he should be out there every day doing something to earn them.

Just to play devil's advocate here, there are some problems trying to work more than one minimum wage job. Employers are just as spoiled as anyone else, and often demand to be number one priority for the worker. What do you do when two employers want you to work at the same time? Or at the same time as a class or unpaid intern work that is necessary for education? Someone was talking about these conflicts just yesterday (in the real world).

Supply and demand. Employers will make unreasonable demands, just because they can.

 

[Origanalist]

Here's one that suites him and would at least give him a raise in wages, and if he worked hard *snort* he could make $16.00 per hr.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/csr/4226535371.html

 

[Christian Liberty]

Ahhhh, college boy libertarians. The bane of my existence. Let me guess, you got into Ron Paul because he was anti war and pro pot but never actually registered GOP to vote for him, right? Just did some sign waving? The truth is that CaptLou's fundamental truth IS correct (apart from those so oppressed by governments that they were not able to rise above it. That does not exist here). The harder you work in this world, the more successful you will be. Your vitriolic ranting against that point is comical and shows you really have some growing up to do.

Well, I actually am a freshman in college, so sue me

Oh, and I'm not in the GOP. I prefer not to be associated with wickedness

Here's one that suites him and would at least give him a raise in wages, and if he worked hard *snort* he could make $16.00 per hr.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/csr/4226535371.html

Why would they expect any hard workers for that job?

 

[Origanalist]

Well, I actually am a freshman in college, so sue me

Oh, and I'm not in the GOP. I prefer not to be associated with wickedness



Why would they expect any hard workers for that job?

I don't think he was reffering to you.

 

[Freedonia]

[SIZE=-1]Q: What is a recent economics graduate's usual question in his first job?
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]A: What would you like to have with your french fries sir? [/SIZE]

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Every person I've ever met who claimed to work monumental hours was exaggerating. Most were downright full of crap. Nobody worked 7 days-12 hours, let alone 16. Maybe they keep that up for a week or two or very occasionally, but not more.

If you observe these people, then you'll see that their definition of work was very loosely defined. It doesn't count when a business owner goes home to take a 4 lunch-nap, and then comes back to the shop. It's not work when you spend time doing other things besides the job. Your time sitting in your truck between jobs does not count. Your commute time does not count. Taking care of a sick relative during work is commendable, but it's not included in your monumental tally. This list is endless.

Just as sure as the sun comes up, there is always somebody on a forum who will say, "Back when I [fill in the blank], I worked [triple digit] hours. These forum stories are always more ridiculous than the stories of people I met in person.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Tell that to the millions of slaves who died penniless. Tell that to the billions of sweat shop workers that died in a tin shack and penniless, even though they worked their whole lives. There is no fundamental truth to your nonsense.

Depends on what people do with their money. If you spend all that you earn then you will die penniless, however if you save a portion of what you earn and then buy income producing assets you will build wealth. You work hard so that when you become successful you can play as hard as you worked. The problem is most people will skip the working hard in favor of playing hard, which is why most people in this country today live paycheck to paycheck.