VOTER FRAUD confirmed by voter in Sutton...

[All Seeing Eye]

Can HQ get an affidavit from someone who voted in Sutton County? Three someones would be better.

This is something that can EASILY be done outside the polls if people can get their act together.

We begged the entirely hopeless Facebook group to get on board with an idea that we had to get sworn affadavits from Ron Paul voters as they leave the polling centres. We guessed that RP supporters would understand the need for this and be happy to do so.

Then, if the total number of affadavits on hand is less than the total number of votes attributed to Ron Paul, we can IMMEDIATELY call out "Voter Fraud" and do so legitimately.

Anybody here want to advise me of the legality of a sworn affadavit taken in the streets? There are plenty of lawyers here, right? So somebody must be able to tell us how we do this.

Hell, if we can figure out how to do it then why don't we start the process in time for Michigan?

Come on people...Would you rather spend time debating whether or not fraud took place and coming off like "loony conspiracy theorists" or would you rather have PROOF that it took place and spend time taking it to a judge?

 

[Electric Church]

And remember that power issue is not "just" issue for them.

We are talking about their power, their own priviledge to rule US. They scare us like Hell... F...king Clintons and all those New Worl Order criminal McCains...

+1 right on

 

[Molly1]

sworn affidavits. I wouldn't do that. A vote is private. There's a reason for that. I'd say it's better to find some other way.

For one thing, Huckabee keeps threatening people who don't vote for him. lol

 

[Madison]

"They" who ensured that the general concensus amongst Ron Paul forum users was to shun anything that sounded at all like something that may have come from "Conspiracy Land" did a f**king good job, didn't they?

These "supporters" who ignore for the sake of appearance rather than substance will get the country that they deserve...They think it's bad now!

I have to agree. Our camp is filled with people whose primary concern is appearing "mainstream" and shunning anything that has a "conspiracy" tone, which basically means anything the establishment conditions you to reject and ignore.

The result of this thinking is finishing 5th place in the most libertarian state in the union.

 

[joenaab]

It is not impossible that there was some shennagins, but it is unlikely.

It is far more likely that either there was not as much Ron Paul support as we had hoped or that we didn't get out our voters.

This rumor mongering is not productive.

Get on HQ's ass and tell them to do a better job. Ron Paul has a good message. That message is not being communicated very well.

You all look silly with this voter fraud whining. You look like KoolAid drinkers. Keep it buttoned unless you can find lots of SOLID proof.

Tuff

I want to point out another suspicious aspect of this post that appears here frequently from the same type of poster.

First off, it is the employment of shame-based emotional abuse, which is one of the most common techniques used by pschopaths (remember, the world is under attack by Global Psychopathy, read "Political Ponerology", "Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us", and "Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work" to bring yourself up to speed).

You see the shame attack in "You all look silly with this voter fraud whining. You look like KoolAid drinkers." Setting aside that I have no idea what the KoolAid drinker insult is supposed to mean. This is clearly a shame attack. You see it again in the attack phrase "rumor mongering". Note that they don't always have to be coached to employ this technique. It happens to be one of the natural "gifts" of the psychopath.

Next up, the concluding remark of "Keep it buttoned unless you can find lots of SOLID proof". Regardless of where you stand on 9/11, this is one of the main attack points used against 9/11 activism. It is entirely irrational in it's foundation on two grounds. First, as with 9/11 and the OP in this thread, there is solid and credible proof to warrant investigation. Second, it is irrational to demand proof while calling for the cessation of investigation and working hard to obstruct authentic investigation.

In the OP, we have first hand testimony of about as solid proof as you can get, - a precinct reporting zero votes for Ron Paul and several voters providing initial testimony that they voted for him.

Again, watch out for these people. This guy is obvious, but the others can be more clever and some of them are trusted here. Look for the tell-tale signs:

1. Calls to cease investigation into election fraud.
2. "Shame on you [fill in insults] for bringing it up in the first place".
3. Mainstream Media, Mainstream Polls, Mainstream Everything can be trusted implicitly.
4. Blame each other. Divide yourselves and then attack each other.
5. The results are acceptable, let's move on and put this behind us.

Stay awake. This is much bigger than the Ron Paul campaign. Pschopaths assemble and seize control whenever the people go to sleep, and it is the Psychopath who has mastered the art of putting the people to sleep. They produce very little of value because they are parasitic in nature. The principal contribution to humanity over the millennium has been the perfection of the art of deception. In this they excel and cannot be underestimated.

 

[Agora]

From http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php

Hand Count% 9.32
Voting Machine% 7.74

big difference.

 

[all4one]

Sutton - 386 votes
VOTE COUNT METHOD: Hand Counted Paper Ballots
- Giuliani = 51 votes = 13.21%
- Huckabee = 45 votes = 11.66%
- Hunter = 0 votes = 0.00%
- McCain = 160 votes = 41.45%
- Paul = 0 votes = 0.00%
- Romney = 119 votes = 30.83%
- Thompson = 3 votes = 0.78%
- Other = 8 votes = 2.07%

Not to add more fuel to the fire, but as you all can see - those number haven't changed as of 7:15am. If the OP is correct and there where 4 confirmed votes cast for the good Doctor, then I say this is a good representation of what we are all up against. I would also agree that this need to be looked into further...

IMHO

 

[joenaab]

I have to agree. Our camp is filled with people whose primary concern is appearing "mainstream" and shunning anything that has a "conspiracy" tone, which basically means anything the establishment conditions you to reject and ignore.

The result of this thinking is finishing 5th place in the most libertarian state in the union.

I would add to this that within that group are paid subversives who don't do this "naively". They have been triggered at this time to employ these techniques here on the forum (though they've been in use here by these paid agents since the forum's inception).

 

[Electric Church]

I want to point out another suspicious aspect of this post that appears here frequently from the same type of poster.

First off, it is the employment of shame-based emotional abuse, which is one of the most common techniques used by pschopaths (remember, the world is under attack by Global Psychopathy, read "Political Ponerology", "Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us", and "Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work" to bring yourself up to speed).

You see the shame attack in "You all look silly with this voter fraud whining. You look like KoolAid drinkers." Setting aside that I have no idea what the KoolAid drinker insult is supposed to mean. This is clearly a shame attack. You see it again in the attack phrase "rumor mongering". Note that they don't always have to be coached to employ this technique. It happens to be one of the natural "gifts" of the psychopath.

Next up, the concluding remark of "Keep it buttoned unless you can find lots of SOLID proof". Regardless of where you stand on 9/11, this is one of the main attack points used against 9/11 activism. It is entirely irrational in it's foundation on two grounds. First, as with 9/11 and the OP in this thread, there is solid and credible proof to warrant investigation. Second, it is irrational to demand proof while calling for the cessation of investigation and working hard to obstruct authentic investigation.

In the OP, we have first hand testimony of about as solid proof as you can get, - a precinct reporting zero votes for Ron Paul and several voters providing initial testimony that they voted for him.

Again, watch out for these people. This guy is obvious, but the others can be more clever and some of them are trusted here. Look for the tell-tale signs:

1. Calls to cease investigation into election fraud.
2. "Shame on you [fill in insults] for bringing it up in the first place".
3. Mainstream Media, Mainstream Polls, Mainstream Everything can be trusted implicitly.
4. Blame each other. Divide yourselves and then attack each other.
5. The results are acceptable, let's move on and put this behind us.

Stay awake. This is much bigger than the Ron Paul campaign. Pschopaths assemble and seize control whenever the people go to sleep, and it is the Psychopath who has mastered the art of putting the people to sleep. They produce very little of value because they are parasitic in nature. The principal contribution to humanity over the millennium has been the perfection of the art of deception. In this they excel and cannot be underestimated.

Excellent post. We need more stuff like this. This is called a free short overview in psychological warfare.

America, America, once the most beautiful and free and prosperous nation since Israel during the reign of Solomon. Your enemies have all but consumed you. Get up now o sleeping giant and show your great might. For these whimps are nothin. Stand together, listen to your patriots and fight and you will win and save yourselves and the planet.

 

[Birdlady]

Not to add more fuel to the fire, but as you all can see - those number haven't changed as of 7:15am. If the OP is correct and there where 4 confirmed votes cast for the good Doctor, then I say this is a good representation of what we are all up against. I would also agree that this need to be looked into further...

IMHO

Don't forget that Sutton is HAND counted! There are no machines there.

If one town is off, then how many more may be?

 

[Tuff_Fish]

Again, watch out for these people. This guy is obvious, but the others can be more clever and some of them are trusted here. Look for the tell-tale signs:

1. Calls to cease investigation into election fraud.
2. "Shame on you [fill in insults] for bringing it up in the first place".
3. Mainstream Media, Mainstream Polls, Mainstream Everything can be trusted implicitly.
4. Blame each other. Divide yourselves and then attack each other.
5. The results are acceptable, let's move on and put this behind us.

Investigate. When you FIND SOMETHING, let us know.

Shame on you for baseless whining about some rumored fraud.

I trust the mainstream media about as much as I trust you.

Blame yourselves (and HQ) for:

a: not getting out the message
b: not getting out the vote


The results are what they are. Figure out how to do better.

9-11 Conspiracy tells me all I need to know about you anyway.

KoolAid drinker? Does Jim Jones ring a bell? Google it.

 

[asgardshill]

Don't forget that Sutton is HAND counted! There are no machines there.

Which kinda shuts up the Diebold conspiracy nutbars in this case, doesn't it.

If one town is off, then how many more may be?

I'll need more substantial proof that "one town is off" besides seventh-hand rumor that a vote was actually cast there for Dr. Paul before I start advocating picking up the pitchforks and torches.

 

[MN Patriot]

I want to point out another suspicious aspect of this post that appears here frequently from the same type of poster.

First off, it is the employment of shame-based emotional abuse, which is one of the most common techniques used by pschopaths (remember, the world is under attack by Global Psychopathy, read "Political Ponerology", "Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us", and "Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work" to bring yourself up to speed).

You see the shame attack in "You all look silly with this voter fraud whining. You look like KoolAid drinkers." Setting aside that I have no idea what the KoolAid drinker insult is supposed to mean. This is clearly a shame attack. You see it again in the attack phrase "rumor mongering". Note that they don't always have to be coached to employ this technique. It happens to be one of the natural "gifts" of the psychopath.

A KoolAid drinker is a brainwashed follower who will do or think anything they are told. The term originated from the Jonestown massecre in 1978, here is a quote from wikipedia about Jim Jones, the leader:

Surviving delegation members later told police that, as they were boarding two planes at the airstrip, the truckload of Jones' armed guards arrived and began shooting at them, killing Congressman Ryan and five others. At the same time, one of the supposed defectors, Larry Layton, drew a weapon and began to fire on members of the party. When the gunmen left, six people were dead: Representative Ryan, Don Harris, a reporter from NBC, a cameraman from NBC, a newspaper photographer, and one defector from the Peoples Temple. Surviving the attack were former California State Senator Jackie Speier, a staff member for Ryan; Richard Dwyer, the Deputy Chief of Mission from the U.S. Embassy at Georgetown and allegedly an officer of the Central Intelligence Agency; and Bob Flick, a producer for NBC News. Later that same day, 909 of the remaining inhabitants of Jonestown, 276 of them children, died in what has commonly been labeled a mass suicide. However, because there is much ambiguity regarding whether many who participated did so voluntarily or were forced (or even killed outright), some feel that mass murder is a more accurate description. Some followers obeyed Jones' instructions to commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (often misidentified as Kool-aid). Others died by forced cyanide injection or by shooting. Jones was found dead sitting in a deck chair with a gunshot wound to the head, although it is unknown if he had been murdered or committed suicide. An autopsy of his body showed levels of the barbiturate phenobarbital that could have been lethal to humans who have not developed physiological tolerance. His drug usage (including various LSD and marijuana experimentations) was confirmed by his son, Stephan, and Jones's doctor in San Francisco.

I'm sure KoolAid cringes whenever this term is used, since they actually used FlavorAid.

Of course, the whole point being that Ron Paul followers, those of us who recognize the attacks on our liberty, are labeled by the MSM and opponents of our agenda as mindless, ignorant, paranoid, etc etc.

 

[Sebas]

Anybody here want to advise me of the legality of a sworn affadavit taken in the streets? There are plenty of lawyers here, right? So somebody must be able to tell us how we do this.

Hell, if we can figure out how to do it then why don't we start the process in time for Michigan?


Come on people...Would you rather spend time debating whether or not fraud took place and coming off like "loony conspiracy theorists" or would you rather have PROOF that it took place and spend time taking it to a judge?

It's No debate, it's FACT searching

Why not 'collect' the PROOF that seems to exist in NH, NOW ? A lot can be done with people in NH and from other states...

AND we can ALSO get people in Michigan to do what you are suggesting.

Nothing stops us from doing BOTH...

Maybe some people are trying to distract us...


The unofficial canadian 'international team' keeping a eye on 'democracy'

 

[asgardshill]

sworn affidavits. I wouldn't do that. A vote is private. There's a reason for that. I'd say it's better to find some other way.

Actually, there is a better way. Voting machines should make a paper copy of the votes you cast available as an option for printing after you vote. But, put a shredder in the booth as well. If you want to keep the copy as a record of how you voted, fine. If you don't or have privacy concerns or are worried about your boss demanding proof that you voted a certain way, just shred it and go on your merry way or don't print the thing in the first place.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

sworn affidavits. I wouldn't do that. A vote is private. There's a reason for that. I'd say it's better to find some other way.

For one thing, Huckabee keeps threatening people who don't vote for him. lol

...and you would have the chance to keep it that way by simply walking past the "booth" and not revelaing who you voted for, no?

Even better, this system ensures that the number of confirmed votes is almost always going to be LESS than one should expect from the official count so if it turns out to be more, well, you get the idea!

So, with this in mind, please explain to me again why this is a bad idea?!

 

[Sebas]

Again, watch out for these people. This guy is obvious, but the others can be more clever and some of them are trusted here. Look for the tell-tale signs:

1. Calls to cease investigation into election fraud.
2. "Shame on you [fill in insults] for bringing it up in the first place".
3. Mainstream Media, Mainstream Polls, Mainstream Everything can be trusted implicitly.
4. Blame each other. Divide yourselves and then attack each other.
5. The results are acceptable, let's move on and put this behind us.

Investigate. When you FIND SOMETHING, let us know.

Shame on you for baseless whining about some rumored fraud.

I trust the mainstream media about as much as I trust you.

Blame yourselves (and HQ) for:

a: not getting out the message
b: not getting out the vote


The results are what they are. Figure out how to do better.

9-11 Conspiracy tells me all I need to know about you anyway.

KoolAid drinker? Does Jim Jones ring a bell? Google it.

Why use simplistic insults and blames ? Can you just be intelligent in your comments ? If you have something to say, can you please stay polite ?

You really seem immature and you really sound like a bully:
---» "Do like I say, or I will call you names !" ...




And this?

'KoolAid drinker' ???

If only you knew

Haha !

 

[deedles]

I'm always a skeptic. I'm the last to talk about conspiracies and what not, but it does say that Paul got 0 votes... and I am aware of one person from Sutton who voted for Paul.

I think Bev Harris is going to be on Alex Jones today at 11am on GCNLIVE.com

Blackboxvoting.org

 

[garypatriot]

The link below is the proof of faulty voting machines and how they can be tampered with! The RP campaighn has known about this for over a year but has ignored it! We should all email the RP campaign and let them know that the people that are funding this campaign want something done now! Ron Paul is not responsible personally, but his campaign is!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Piia...s/vote_fraud_expert_warns_of_nh_chicanery.htm

 

[joenaab]

Again, watch out for these people. This guy is obvious, but the others can be more clever and some of them are trusted here. Look for the tell-tale signs:

1. Calls to cease investigation into election fraud.
2. "Shame on you [fill in insults] for bringing it up in the first place".
3. Mainstream Media, Mainstream Polls, Mainstream Everything can be trusted implicitly.
4. Blame each other. Divide yourselves and then attack each other.
5. The results are acceptable, let's move on and put this behind us.

Investigate. When you FIND SOMETHING, let us know.

Shame on you for baseless whining about some rumored fraud.

I trust the mainstream media about as much as I trust you.

Blame yourselves (and HQ) for:

a: not getting out the message
b: not getting out the vote


The results are what they are. Figure out how to do better.

9-11 Conspiracy tells me all I need to know about you anyway.

KoolAid drinker? Does Jim Jones ring a bell? Google it.

Wow, you really are a tuff fish

Once again, a perfect example of psychopathy in action. Hateful, strawman attacks and the inability to express oneself rationally even when to do so would advance one's agenda more effectively. Text book psychopath, this guy. Yes, attack the messenger, this has worked well over the millennium.

And now we see this tuff fish claiming that citizens who express concern regarding election fraud are to be equated with people who are members of a suicide cult. Then we are encouraged to self-hate for our failures and to hate HQ for theirs.

Notice how he slips by saying, "blame yourselves" instead of "blame ourselves", providing insight into where he sees himself relative to the grassroots movement, -infallible and disconnected, - more symptoms of psychopathy. Thank you for these examples. Keep them coming. You're contribution here is priceless.