Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States

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Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States

Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military


by CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret)


(Jul. 1, 2023) — Vivek Ramaswamy’s parents immigrated from India to the USA about the year 1983 per publicly available information and Vivek was born soon thereafter in 1985. It takes at least five (5) years to become a naturalized United States Citizen.

Vivek Ramaswamy refuses as of the date of this article to answer direct questions regarding the citizenship and/or immigration status of his parents when he was born in 1985 in Ohio and/or exactly what year did his parents immigrate from India to the USA. And a third question that needs to be answered … does Vivek now hold dual citizenship or has he ever been held dual citizenship, in his case both India and the United States.

After months of trying to get an answer from him via various contact modes, it is obvious he is deliberately evading answering such questions. Thus we must assume he does not want to answer those questions because he fears the true answers will be politically detrimental to his political aspirations. He wants to run for President and Commander in Chief but does not want to be fully transparent on this issue when transparency by candidates for the highest office in the land is of utmost importance to the electorate.

Based on the public information available at this time, and the fact that Vivek is evading answering direct questions on the matter, it has thus been deduced that both of Vivek Ramaswamy’s parents were not U.S. Citizens in 1985 when Vivek was born. Thus Vivek was born with dual citizenship. He was not born a “natural born Citizen” with the required three legs of being born in the USA to a father and a mother who were U.S. Citizens when Vivek was born. Vivek Ramaswamy fails “The Three Legged Stool Test” for being a “natural born Citizen” of the United States. Vivek Ramaswamy was born to a Citizen of India father (minus one stool leg) and to a Citizen of India mother (minus the 2nd stool leg).

The normal path to becoming a naturalized U.S. Citizen takes five years. Vivek Ramaswamy was born in 1985. His father and mother emigrated from India to the USA about 40 years ago per the April 3rd, 2023 article in the Washington Post. Calculating back from 2023, that yields the immigration year to the USA for Vivek’s parents as being about 1983. Allowing +-2 years, i.e., 1981-1985 for that calculated “about” year of 1983 for the deduced year of immigration to the USA, there was not sufficient time for either of Vivek’s parents to become naturalized U.S. Citizens when Vivek was born in 1985, since it required at least five years to become a naturalized U.S. Citizen.


https://www.thepostemail.com/2023/0...o-be-president-and-commander-in-chief-of-our/



Edit to add:

Before you can apply for naturalization, you must meet certain eligibility requirements.

To be eligible for naturalization based on being a lawful permanent resident for at least five years, you must:

* Be at least 18 years old when you submit Form N-400, Application for Naturalization;

* Show you have been a lawfully admitted permanent resident of the United States for at least five years;

* Demonstrate continuous residence in the United States for at least five years immediately before the date you file Form N-400

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/l...n/i-am-a-lawful-permanent-resident-of-5-years
 
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Curious what the response will be among "closed borders" folks.

[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] ? [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ? [MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION] ? [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] ? @Others ?

Is this something something - blah blah - don't ask stupid questions - nobody cares anymore - you're one of those crazy NBC lunatics people make fun of - it only doesn't matter if it is for the highest office in the land?
 
[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]

What?

What's this non issue being drummed up for?

As far as I know, if both parents are legal US residents and have a child in the US, they are a "natural born citizen".

To conflate this 40 year old question with the current invasion going on is comparing apples and bowling balls.
 
[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]

What?

What's this non issue being drummed up for?

As far as I know, if both parents are legal US residents and have a child in the US, they are a "natural born citizen".

To conflate this 40 year old question with the current invasion going on is comparing apples and bowling balls.


Commander Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret) raised a legitimate concern with very supporting data. We talk about the "slippery slope", but if we ourselves can't stand firm on principle, how can we expect others to?

Though I am NOT "closed borders" (I believe closed borders are a way to restrict human beings freedoms), I believe the welfare spigot should be completely shut, lobbyists/corporations should stop transporting them everywhere for profit/motive, etc. etc. to actually solve the problem.

That said, if one is not a NBC, one has no right running for the highest office in the land.

Concerning the bold that you wrote, maybe re-read the OP to see if it makes better sense?

Allowing +-2 years, i.e., 1981-1985 for that calculated “about” year of 1983 for the deduced year of immigration to the USA, there was not sufficient time for either of Vivek’s parents to become naturalized U.S. Citizens when Vivek was born in 1985, since it required at least five years to become a naturalized U.S. Citizen.
 
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Chester A. Arthur and Obama wern't natural born citizens either. Didn't prevent them from becoming president.
 
Chester A. Arthur and Obama wern't natural born citizens either. Didn't prevent them from becoming president.

True that. And if it continues and is permitted, even in the case of Swamy, that right there negates the entire "open borders are destroying our country!". No principles.
 
Chester A. Arthur and Obama wern't natural born citizens either. Didn't prevent them from becoming president.

Considering the Swami was born in ohio and obummer in africa it seems there may be a distinct difference . Paf seems to be making a good case against allowing immigrants though .
 
Considering the Swami was born in ohio [and his parents were Indian citizens] and obummer in africa [Hawaii and his father was a citizen of Kenya] it seems there may be a distinct difference . Paf seems to be making a good case against allowing immigrants though [to have government issued freebee cards].

FIFY
 
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Am I on the right forum? I'll re-check my browser links, I thought for sure I clicked on RPF...

Just saying... There is no natural born citizen requirement to run for President. Only to be President. Vivek isn't going to be President. At best, he's angling for a Trump VP consideration.
 
Just saying... There is no natural born citizen requirement to run for President. Only to be President. Vivek isn't going to be President. At best, he's angling for a Trump VP consideration.

Perhaps. But is that still acceptable?

It seems the CPAC Consultant offered to give Swamy a 2nd Place Position in the "poll" next to Trump had he paid the thousands of dollars.
 
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Perhaps. But is that still acceptable?

It seems the CPAC Consultant offered to give Swamy a 2nd Place Position next to Trump had he paid the thousands of dollars.

Again, cart is WAY before the horse on this one. First, Vivek would have to drop out of the Presidential race... Then, Trump would have to win the nomination... Then, Trump's team would have to figure out if Vivek helps him in any way. Then, the lawyers would get involved. If they run the numbers and the risk/reward isn't there, this is moot again. If they thought they could sell it, then Vivek would have to agree to run.

I mean, at some point the mootness of wondering about Vivek's eligibility just makes it seem like this is a hit for some politician angling for power.
 
Again, cart is WAY before the horse on this one. First, Vivek would have to drop out of the Presidential race... Then, Trump would have to win the nomination... Then, Trump's team would have to figure out if Vivek helps him in any way. Then, the lawyers would get involved. If they run the numbers and the risk/reward isn't there, this is moot again. If they thought they could sell it, then Vivek would have to agree to run.

I mean, at some point the mootness of wondering about Vivek's eligibility just makes it seem like this is a hit for some politician angling for power.


Respectfully, I am attempting to get [at least] some of the people in this country to stand firm on principles, cart or no cart, or after the fact such as with Obama.

I take it the paid CPAC 2nd Place Poll "offer" didn't phase you either, considering all the rage is democrats cheat in elections?
 
I take it the paid CPAC 2nd Place Poll "offer" didn't phase you either, considering all the rage is democrats cheat in elections?

I was here for Ron Paul's run. lol. The process the parties use is crafted to get the candidates that will keep those in power, powerful. And to give them more power. I'm beyond caring about the internal machinations of party politics.

As for the principals of eligibility for US President, I guess it can be an interesting discussion around these edge cases where the candidate's status is questionable... I'm just saying that it doesn't matter in the case of Vivek because he's not going to be President.
 
Respectfully, I am attempting to get [at least] some of the people in this country to stand firm on principles, cart or no cart, or after the fact such as with Obama.

I take it the paid CPAC 2nd Place Poll "offer" didn't phase you either, considering all the rage is democrats cheat in elections?

How much was it going to cost ?
 
Commander Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret) raised a legitimate concern with very supporting data.

He made several assertions and then continued as though what he said were facts. For support, he linked to his own blog, where he... makes assertions and acts as though they are facts.
 
@PAF

What?

What's this non issue being drummed up for?

As far as I know, if both parents are legal US residents and have a child in the US, they are a "natural born citizen".

To conflate this 40 year old question with the current invasion going on is comparing apples and bowling balls.

Both must be citizens (or just the father by some originalist interpretations) for him to be an NBC, neither was.

I want things more strict than that.
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You shouldn't be able to vote, or hold any government position unless you were born here to at least one parent that was born here.

Illegals are another question entirely.
And so is birthright citizenship.
BC is bad and should be changed, illegals are invaders and should be shot at the border.
 
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