View from a Capt in the Air Force

[USAFCapt]

I was in the military in March of 2003 when we kicked off OIF. We were just so excited to see action nobody really questioned why we were going in. I am still on active duty and let me tell you: OIF has made for some good military Performance Reports (i.e. gets us promoted), so even though many fellow military members admit to me now that OIF is illegitimate they like to deploy for the adventure, promotion and pay.

During discussions that take place outside of official meetings a majority of us say that the war is not in our national interest. But I can understand why higher ranking officers cannot talk about it in meetings because that is not the military's job. We do what we are told through the chain of command.

I will be voting for Ron even if it means no future job for myself at the Dept of Homeland Security or other governmental agency. I want to vote for whom Thomas Jefferson would have voted.

Any other military members on this forum? Ask questions if you would like and I would appreciate your comments.

 

[hambone1982]

Word, Sir. Word.

 

[lucky]

Thanks

Thank you Sir and all military personnel for your service. I was in the military many years ago and we do not question our civilian leadership but do our job we were trained to do. We may afterwards tip a few with comrades and talk politics but we will the next day go about doiing the best job possible.

I have been lurking in the military forums to get a feel for the reaction to Ron Paul and have found he is under the radar right now. We need to change this.

Again thank you for your service.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have been lurking in the military forums to get a feel for the reaction to Ron Paul and have found he is under the radar right now. We need to change this.

Any suggestions?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I also wanted to say it makes me proud to be an American when I see current and ex-military men and women supporters of Dr. Paul. I applaud your service, your clear understanding of what this country was supposed to be all about and your exemplary courage to stand up and buck the tide.

Thank You.

 

[RonPaul4President]

I was in the military in March of 2003 when we kicked off OIF. We were just so excited to see action nobody really questioned why we were going in. I am still on active duty and let me tell you: OIF has made for some good military Performance Reports (i.e. gets us promoted), so even though many fellow military members admit to me now that OIF is illegitimate they like to deploy for the adventure, promotion and pay.

During discussions that take place outside of official meetings a majority of us say that the war is not in our national interest. But I can understand why higher ranking officers cannot talk about it in meetings because that is not the military's job. We do what we are told through the chain of command.

I will be voting for Ron even if it means no future job for myself at the Dept of Homeland Security or other governmental agency. I want to vote for whom Thomas Jefferson would have voted.

Any other military members on this forum? Ask questions if you would like and I would appreciate your comments.

Thank you for your courage and doing what you felt was right. The best thing you can do for your country now is to get the truth out to your comrades. There are going to be a few troublemakers and liars that want to claim a group of people to their own agenda. Just like in a peaceful demonstration ther will be a few that want to make the whole group look bad by starting a riot. You/we need to get the truth about Ron Paul and what our goverment is doing out to military personnel, veterans, and law enforcement.

USAFCapt, thank you for fighting for all our freedoms and liberties.

 

[Revolution9]

hello Captain.. I see this from the GAO
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06666.pdf

heh..gotta love that number it is designated with..

coupled with this analysis at
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56040


"Against the strong protests of the Government Accountability Office, or GAO, several key strategic military commands, including NORAD and NORTHCOM, are moving ahead with a Department of Defense decision to abandon the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center, the center of U.S. missile defense since the Cold War, to make way for what a GAO report says could be used as a "continuity of operations relocation facility."

In an extraordinary report issued by the GAO May 21, Davi D'Agostino, GAO director of defense capabilities and management and the author of the report, considered the military's decision to abandon Cheyenne Mountain so unfounded that the agency urgently called for congressional hearings." <snipped>

It looks like ZOG wants command and control under their fingers. As someone in the Air Force and knowing what the ission of NORAD is..what is your take on this troubling move?

Best
Randy

 

[lonestarguy]

Welcome Aboard Captn! I'm also former AF officer and DStorm vet, ten years in Europe (Pruem Air Station near Bitburg; Geilenkirchen/Awacs, and Messtetten/Nato Soc 4), and 120 day sojourn to FACP Al Jubail Saudi Arabia, air weapons controller 17xx(we tell pilots where to go) and Nato Awacs crewmember 86-91. You'll find loads of veterans across the RonPaulNation. Course, you know Ron himself is a Vietnam era Air Force Flight Surgeon. It's about time we get an Air Force veteran and real life Statesman in the WHouse.

 

[CurtisLow]

I'm also a former AF Sgt. SP. I Salute all military personal that think outside the box.

 

[angelatc]

Welcome, and thanks for your service. I tried to enroll in the AF but I couldn't serve for medical reasons, but my husband is a Vietnam era vet, and comes from a family with a long military history.

I'd like to know how you think we can get the Armed Services to vote for Dr Paul.

 

[lucky]

Yes

Any suggestions?

Yes I do. I am hoping to find who can gather some material and make some youtube vids that are more military minded. I also am gonna look at his library and any site and try and gather links that I or any other service member or veteran can then go to the forums and start getting some discussion on Ron.

I have been busy and can only do so much. I have been hitting the truckers hard right now and want to start the military stuff soon.

Also maybe a seperate room or section here for the military would be nice where we can all congregate and discuss and plan details.

 

[1k9]

I was a crewchief on f111s, seems like an eternity ago. Nice to know other Airmen are on the boards.

 

[dwdollar]

I was enlisted in the AF and worked on the AWACS as an avioncis technician. The mainstream media likes to portray servicemen as being disproportionally Republican. While that may be true, I found many of them to be on the libertarian side than the neocon. It's much easier to appreciate freedom after you've seen what it's like to have it taken away. Ron Paul would make an excellent candidate for the military.

 

[lucky]

My father amd most of everyone in my family went AF and I bucked tradition and went Army. I admired and try to follow and do anything that I think would make my father proud of me and use that as my guidance. Ron Paul also was AF and I like his thinking. Says a lot about the AF I think. Wonder how many Army or other services are representing?

 

[KingTheoden]

Thank you for your service, USAFCapt and all others on the forum for your devotion to America. I am not in the military and know only a handful of current soldiers/officers. With that said, it seems to me that if Ron Paul is presented correctly, he would be vastly more popular in the military than any other candidate.

My senior year of high school I began to 'wake up' to the fact that our government was in the hands of some rather distasteful people and was using the goodwill and patriotism of the American people to achieve their aims for a unified, single world state. This came at both the best and worst times for me because I was in the midst of competing for a Naval scholarship to become a Marine officer and my 'awakening' was January 2003, right before the war. So, for me, I made the decision to suspend my interest in military service potentially sparing me from being harmed in a war that was undeclared and had nothing to do with defense. However, I say it was the worst time to wake up because I was attacked very hard for being a coward, unpatriotic, a chicken (good friends said I was afraid of entering because there was a war on the horizon despite my attempts to explain my reasoning).

Anyway, the point is that a lot has changed in the past four and a half years. I think many people in the armed forces realize that the civilian leadership that contains hardly any veterans at all wants to use them as pawns in a global chess game.

Ron Paul is different. He was one of the earliest Reagan backers and the two enjoyed a close relationship often working together towards the goals of less government, more freedom, and a better America. If anyone holds claim to the Reagan legacy, it is positively Ron Paul. If we can break through the media black out, the message will resonate. And our cause will be unstoppable.

 

[aravoth]

Nice to see you here Sir, even if you are in the Air Force, Should've been a real man and joined the Army like I did. Just kidding.

I've seen alot of veterans on the forum and also an awful lot that are supporting Dr. Paul. I do know several NCO's in the active duty army that I still talk to and spend holidays with that support Ron Paul. I wish the guys in the sandbox could get wind of his message a little better, but they've got other things to worry about right now. But to answer your question, yes, there are alot of servicemen that support Paul.

 

[SlapItHigh]

I am not in the military but I am the spouse of a naval officer. My husband asked his peers about Ron Paul after the 2nd debate and they do not support him. They agree with Giuliani. I was saddened to hear this response. Truth be told, my own husband is not 100% on board with Paul but is starting to agree with him on the war issue.

 

[manuel]

Thank you for your service to the country. I support the men and women of our military 100%.

 

[xcalybur]

I am currently in the Air Force, SSgt, but I will be seperating in about 1 month. I have enjoyed serving my country, but I always feared that I would be deployed to Iraq. I never agreed with this war. It just doesn't make sense. I was lucky because of my profession in the Air Force, that if I was sent overseas to fight then we are in serious trouble. Capt. I appreciate your strength in posting on these boards. I know a LOT of officers and not many have the guts you do. I applaud you sir.

BTW, what base do you work at? Or at least the state?

 

[Hawaii Libertarian]

A Retired Officer Supports Ron Paul

I'm on terminal leave and the end of this month will mark the end of my 22 year active duty Air Force career. Like Karen Kwiatkowski, I finished my career as an O-5 working in the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD). I never met Karen (OSD and the Pentagon are huge places), but you can find her writings at the link below. I encourage all current and former military people on this forum, and those with an interest in current military affairs to read her writings.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski-arch.html

I can't talk a lot about what I saw at OSD because I was in lots of meetings with very senior people, but I have been a supporter of Ron Paul for years and never bought into the "check your brain at the door" attitude that it seems you need to do to attain higher rank. Many of our Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Chiefs of Staff of the Air Force, such as General Merrill McPeak, for example, are or were members of the Council on Foreign Relations, so it's no wonder that military schools of professional military education teach interventionist, neo-con propaganda as "fact" and thoughts of statesmen like Dr. Paul are most unwelcome at the war colleges and other places where our senior leaders are groomed.

The one big thought I can offer is that OSD and the Pentagon is full of political appointees as well as career civil servants that control the policy and the uniformed force gets tasked to execute the policy. If a statesman like Dr. Paul gets elected President and puts appointees that think like him into the key leadership positions (SECDEF, Deputy SECDEF, and civilian Service Secretaries as well as the Chairman), we'll finally see the "transformation" that Rumsfeld promised, but never really delivered.

Unfortunately, the entire military culture with its emphasis on following orders with no or minimal questioning tends to quash any independent thought. A lot of people just want to kick the tires and light the fires and do the jobs they've been trained to do, but don't always give serious thought to why they are doing what they're doing. War mongers like Giuliani are tailor-made for this crowd.