[VIDEO] ~ Was this cop justified in punching this girl in the face?

[Danke]

The cop was justified, period.

He was pushed.

If a cop pushes me, can I punch him in the face?

 

[Brian Defferding]

If a cop pushes me, can I punch him in the face?

If you didn't push/shove/assault/block the officer, and there is no clear case of probable cause that you broke the law, of course.

 

[Danke]

If you didn't touch the officer, and there is no clear case of probable cause that you broke the law, of course.

And I could then arrest him, right?

 

[live liberty]

My argument is against the police state...

Very few people can conceive living without police. I can.

"get caught ______ and resist" and you will have forced used against you. I really don't have that much of a problem with that statement. Your resistance is essentially the initiation of violence. Otherwise, there would be no law enforcement. Law breakers would simply leave the scene. Watch any ACLU or "standing up for your rights" video and it will be hammered into your head - DO NOT PHYSICALLY RESIST A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. This isn't a matter of a police state. It's a matter of a nation of laws. Some here don't want a nation of laws (and have legitimate support for their arguments) but most do.

Never ever resist... I get that. But police do not enforce the laws... courts do.

"simply a kid trying to help her friend." You make it sound like they're setting up a lemonade stand. She was climbing up the back of the officer. She's darn lucky she didn't get herself shot as she put the officer in a potentially life threatening situation. Plus, simply help your friend rob a bank and you'll go to jail. (assuming law enforcement's only recourse isn't to open the jail cell and hope you walk into it, as it sounds like you'd suggest.)

Agreed... given the police state in which we live.

You sure like to skip some IMPORTANT details. He escalated his level of force AFTER the force was escalated against him. What you said implies that had she been complacent with the citation she would have been punched anyway. That's simply unreasonable speculation and an intentional distortion of the reality of the events.

This would not happen in a free society (the absence of a police state).

The pedestrian crosswalk already existed it wasn't used. Nix that smartest course of action. An automobile overpass would have to go through the existing pedestrian crosswalk. Nix that smartest course of action. For the last one ... I'd be real curious to watch the public instruction on the importance of using the pedestrian overpass. Let's just say obvious impracticality can nix that smartest course of action.

Bad design! Already implemented. Why? Because we live in a controlled society rather than a free society. A free market society would have installed a proper design in the first place. As a matter of fact, people would be living, for the most part, in harmony with each other and nature. Most people do not see that... I do.

I agree that it wasn't handled well. The policeman could have likely handled things better up ground that would have not led to the situation. What I see is the result of a prevalent attitude of "So what if I screw with traffic - what are you going to do about it?" Crosswalk classes aren't the answer. The traffic problems in the area were not caused by people not knowing how to use a crosswalk. The traffic problems were cause by people not caring about the problems their actions cause.

No. Traffic control systems are simply that. Control. Bad designs. Why? Because society has never been allowed the free market of proper design. We live in a controlled society. And they do control us. The controllers have most of us blinded. Everybody that I personally know is a good person that is not out to stick it to the other guy/gal and would like to live and let live. The police state (our leaders) create chaos and then propose the solution to that chaos by giving us authorities to control us. Freedom is a much more natural process and a better choice.

 

[Brian Defferding]

And I could then arrest him, right?

If you wanted to and have handcuffs with you, sure.

 

[Danke]

If you wanted to and have handcuffs with you, sure.

All because someone pushed you. You will escalate the violence by a punch in the face up to and including locking one in a cage.

I think you have a future in the government, maybe the State Department?

 

[Brian Defferding]

All because someone pushed you. You will escalate the violence by a punch in the face up to and including locking one in a cage.

I think you have a future in the government, maybe the State Department?

Er, the jaywalker escalated it by pushing the officer. The punch was reactionary.

Once again - it's assault. It's basic rights being violated. You have to detain the offending person, and if a punch in the face is needed then you gotta do what you gotta do.

Of course the cop should have handled it a little bit better, some of the scenarios suggested here like reinforcement would have been a better idea, but at the end of the day that girl went from being a jaywalker to someone that could be charged with assault, and that requires arrest.

 

[Krugerrand]

Very few people can conceive living without police. I can.

Never ever resist... I get that. But police do not enforce the laws... courts do.

Agreed... given the police state in which we live.

This would not happen in a free society (the absence of a police state).

Bad design! Already implemented. Why? Because we live in a controlled society rather than a free society. A free market society would have installed a proper design in the first place. As a matter of fact, people would be living, for the most part, in harmony with each other and nature. Most people do not see that... I do.

No. Traffic control systems are simply that. Control. Bad designs. Why? Because society has never been allowed the free market of proper design. We live in a controlled society. And they do control us. The controllers have most of us blinded. Everybody that I personally know is a good person that is not out to stick it to the other guy/gal and would like to live and let live. The police state (our leaders) create chaos and then propose the solution to that chaos by giving us authorities to control us. Freedom is a much more natural process and a better choice.

If you want to convert more people to join you on your high horse, then I'd suggest making the case you want to make rather than distorting what happened.

Am I supposed to climb onto your utopian high horse without you making a logically supported case - or will I just get the rose colored glasses once I get there.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Don't put words in my mouth. Do non-white cops target your white friends or are the non-white cops angels?

Put it this way. There are a lot more white cops than non-white cops. And I doubt the non-white cops are trained to view the white community as "trouble makers".

Why would a group of people that dress and support a culture of thug life that hate cops and have disrespect for the law get targeted by cops?

Each one has no respect for property.

You're missing the point. Civilians (black or otherwise) have a right to have no respect for cops and to dress as "thugs".

Cops who are employed by the state do not have the right to target specific communities. Or to target anyone for that matter. At least they should not.

 

[MelissaWV]

Man I feel the same way. I saw a cop parked along MLK here, and I totally felt he was going to profile me.

(Sorry; just figured it was about time someone popped the myth bubble that something with an MLK name has to be on the bad side of town.)

 

[Danke]

So we are having a discussion, and when you see the fallaciousness of your line of reasoning, you bring in the Jaywalking, that was not part of our specific discussion, to try to validate your politics. To recap:

The cop was justified, period.

He was pushed.

Now the generic question:

If a cop pushes me, can I punch him in the face?

If you didn't push/shove/assault/block the officer, and there is no clear case of probable cause that you broke the law, of course.

And I could then arrest him, right?

If you wanted to and have handcuffs with you, sure.

(not sure why I have to have handcuffs to qualify for the arrests)

All because someone pushed you. You will escalate the violence by a punch in the face up to and including locking one in a cage.

I think you have a future in the government, maybe the State Department?

Er, the jaywalker escalated it by pushing the officer. The punch was reactionary.

Then a gun shot would have been an escalation in response for the cop's punch? Or would that have been a "reactionary" response in your world? Therefore, O.K.

Guess you can't stick to the topic, so bring in "the jaywalker" as the aggressor instead of continuing our discussion.

Try taking a logic course.

Not related to our discussion, but was it the so called "Jaywalker"" that pushed the cop?

 

[AutoDas]

Put it this way. There are a lot more white cops than non-white cops. And I doubt the non-white cops are trained to view the white community as "trouble makers".

Put it this way. You can't look into other people's hearts and decide what motivated the officer's action was racism or the absolute disrespect they receive. I don't know why some people here think police are supposed to act better than humans. So you are saying white cops are trained to view the non-whites as "trouble makers" and not from experience?

You're missing the point. Civilians (black or otherwise) have a right to have no respect for cops and to dress as "thugs".

Cops who are employed by the state do not have the right to target specific communities. Or to target anyone for that matter. At least they should not.

Your replies are getting more irrational than the ones before it.

 

[jsu718]

Put it this way. You can't look into other people's hearts and decide what motivated the officer's action was racism or the absolute disrespect they receive. I don't know why some people here think police are supposed to act better than humans. So you are saying white cops are trained to view the non-whites as "trouble makers" and not from experience?


Your replies are getting more irrational than the ones before it.

Not necessarily.
YouTube - Police officer applies C-clamp on throat
Now, this cop was black and the guy being taken down was white... does it make me racist if I say that this cop was out of line for doing this just because the guy wouldn't take his hands out of his pockets but the previous cop was in the clear because he was shoved? No. It is two different situations and sometimes cops are assholes, sometimes they are excessively violent, and other times they are following proper procedure to deal with people resisting arrest and assaulting them.

 

[AutoDas]

um what?

 

[mport1]

Yes, the sad reality is that fully 50% of the people on rpf want the police to arrest jaywakers and if they resist then take a beating and get further charges of resisting arrest and assault on a police officer. It's sad but true. They have been conditioned to believe that they have to obey the police, no matter what, because it's the law even tho everybody jaywalks sometimes.

Yeah reading through some threads recently after taking a break from RPF it seems like there quite a bit more statists around. Not a good sign for the movement.

 

[John Taylor]

Yeah reading through some threads recently after taking a break from RPF it seems like there quite a bit more statists around. Not a good sign for the movement.

The free state project went belly-up when they decided to locate to statist New England half a decade ago... Wyoming was the best choice, but nooooooo, you guys had to choose New Hampshiter.

 

[CCTelander]

Yeah reading through some threads recently after taking a break from RPF it seems like there quite a bit more statists around. Not a good sign for the movement.

The natural outgrowth of an attitude that it's ok to scarifice principle in favor of political "gains." They come out of the woodwork in such an atmosphere.

 

[MelissaWV]

Yeah reading through some threads recently after taking a break from RPF it seems like there quite a bit more statists around. Not a good sign for the movement.

God forbid you should read the threads and listen to the rationale, and realize much of it has NOTHING to do with support of a police state, and rather support of someone, regardless of job, to self-defense.

 

[Travlyr]

God forbid you should read the threads and listen to the rationale, and realize much of it has NOTHING to do with support of a police state, and rather support of someone, regardless of job, to self-defense.

Can you elaborate on that please? Are you saying that we do not live in a police state?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah reading through some threads recently after taking a break from RPF it seems like there quite a bit more statists around. Not a good sign for the movement.

I agree.