[VIDEO] ~ Was this cop justified in punching this girl in the face?

[HRD53]

Not a big fan of the po-po, but this guy was losing control of the situation. He needed to do something and he didn't exactly clobber her... I'd like to ask you guys how a cop should defend himself? Yell 'stop it' and spank the perpetrator... maybe threaten them with time out?

There are people on this board who see a badge and just hate it. I've had enough poor experiences with cops to make me not trust them, but jesus... try to be objective. The only way this cop is in the wrong is if he initiated the force on the girls (before the tape was rolling). Everything in this vid points to him just defending himself.

 

[mrsat_98]

I voted NO. I hope he gets the shit sued out of him. It was excessive.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Incidentally, laws can be changed.

Statist!

 

[Danke]

The people voting "no" are either rightfully pointing out that he should never have made the stop in the first place, or they just hate cops, or they are saying that self defense doesn't apply when you are wearing the uniform.

I voted no, and none of what you assumed applies.

The cop was pushed away. That does not justify him punching the girl in the face.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Why? How many accounts do you have to read of cops tricking, beating, tasing, brutalizing, raping, and killing people before you stop giving them the benefit of the doubt in situations like this? Personally, I am well past the point of trusting the police.

A dog bit me once. We need to eliminate dogs.

 

[newbitech]

Not a big fan of the po-po, but this guy was losing control of the situation. He needed to do something and he didn't exactly clobber her... I'd like to ask you guys how a cop should defend himself? Yell 'stop it' and spank the perpetrator... maybe threaten them with time out?

There are people on this board who see a badge and just hate it. I've had enough poor experiences with cops to make me not trust them, but jesus... try to be objective. The only way this cop is in the wrong is if he initiated the force on the girls (before the tape was rolling). Everything in this vid points to him just defending himself.

See I don't think the cop was defending himself. I think he was the aggressor. He could have easily yelled at the perp to stop jaywalking. He could have simply escorted the perp across the street took their name and told them next time will not be a warning but a court summons.

Yes, I see a badge and I hate it. I can be objective, what I see is a cop doing what cops are trained to do. It's wrong. The whole incident is wrong on the cops part. I am not sure how you think the girl ended up being wrist locked martial arts style by this cop, but I can assure you that this hold the cop had on her was not self defense.

 

[MelissaWV]

I voted no, and none of what you assumed applies.

The cop was pushed away. That does not justify him punching the girl in the face.

Point noted.

To me, it's the same category of force. I don't think in those kinds of situations I nitpick about the precise level. In other words, if the cop had shoved her and she decked him, that'd be fine with me. If the cop had shoved her and she shot him, that wouldn't. If the girl had shoved the cop, and he shot her, that wouldn't. I haven't seen that level of distinction applied to other instances on the board, so I didn't think to include it.

 

[sofia]

Fuck no.

Also I'll be honest giving someone a ticket for jaywalking is just the cop trying to be a dick. And it wouldn't shock me if it was racially motivated. I know too many black kids who get a ticket for what is not a real crime.

bullshit...

if anything, blacks are LESS likely to be mistreated because of white guilt and cops being afraid of being labeled "racists" by agitators like u

 

[MelissaWV]

Why? How many accounts do you have to read of cops tricking, beating, tasing, brutalizing, raping, and killing people before you stop giving them the benefit of the doubt in situations like this? Personally, I am well past the point of trusting the police.

I give each situation its own evaluation. I have seen people being quite violent and rude to the police simply based on the uniform, and not any behavior they were a part of. I have seen the same done to military, or to Government workers, or to the family they were with. I have seen police be total douchebags to people simply because they "are the law," or some other bullshit. Those individuals are at fault for their actions.

How many Ron Paul supporters throwing snowballs and dressing up funny do you have to read about before you realize they're all kooks? All of 'em! There are no individuals; it's just one big hive and every worker bee buzzes exactly the same. There is no room for someone merely being a human being.

There have been many other accounts talked about on these forums where it's been very obvious the police acted horribly. There are other times when the police really are defending themselves as people. Your entire post seems to suggest it's just too hard to distinguish between individual cases, and individual people, so you've adopted a stance of utter mistrust. That's your cross to bear. That's your opinion to have. Mine is to look at each case.

With what I was presented with in the OP, I had one conclusion to draw. With what's been suggested afterwards, it's highly possible there is more to all of this than the videos and even the initial reports showed.

 

[jsu718]

bullshit...

if anything, blacks are LESS likely to be mistreated because of white guilt and cops being afraid of being labeled "racists" by agitators like u

In theory, possibly. In reality, no. The way it actually goes is that cops mistreat everyone, but the media will only report on it if the person is black and the cop is not. I will point out how little the baptist minister that was accosted by border patrol was reported by the media.

 

[futo555]

You push me , im going to knock you out.

ok , in my book.


2 people pushin him and they could have grab his gun with no problem.

 

[BlackTerrel]

bullshit...

if anything, blacks are LESS likely to be mistreated because of white guilt and cops being afraid of being labeled "racists" by agitators like u

Only in your world Sofia.

 

[0zzy]

can't tell without first part being filmed.

those girls acted aggressive, however.

 

[dmitchell]

I give each situation its own evaluation...

Everyone does, myself included. But you said that even if skepticism toward police violence is usually justified, it makes you "sick to your stomach" when people are skeptical toward police violence. I don't get that.

Your entire post seems to suggest it's just too hard to distinguish between individual cases, and individual people, so you've adopted a stance of utter mistrust.

I distrust police because I have witnessed enough cases of police brutality to know that "power corrupts" isn't just a funny thing to say.

 

[jsu718]

Everyone does, myself included. But you said that even if skepticism toward police violence is usually justified, it makes you "sick to your stomach" when people are skeptical toward police violence. I don't get that.


I distrust police because I have witnessed enough cases of police brutality to know that "power corrupts" isn't just a funny thing to say.

Agreed... but it does work both ways.

Happens just like this too.

Also this version of the video is much better... shows more of what happened.
YouTube - Seattle Police Confrontation - komonews.com

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

There is a fundamental distinction between the two. Seatbelt laws serve to act as a restaint upon the individual, a "big brother" regulation for one's own good... while jaywalking laws serve to protect the DRIVERS of vehicles on the road from liability if and when they hit a jaywalker.

Jaywalking protects you from yourself because the object of the statues are individuals walking not individuals driving. Are you suggesting it can not be discerned where a pedestrian was located when they are hit by a vehicle?

Seat belt statues limit the liability of insurance companies the same way jaywalking does.

 

[chudrockz]

Voted no. There should be a "hell, no" option.

If this cop feels justified punching a LITTLE GIRL like that for a gentle shove, I'd hate to think what he might do to ME (a 6'8", 320 pound guy) for jaywalking.

Of course, knowing how people drive (at least in my town) I don't DO that (jaywalk).

Come to think of it, I don't really walk at all. Maybe that's why I'm 320.

 

[jsu718]

Voted no. There should be a "hell, no" option.

If this cop feels justified punching a LITTLE GIRL like that for a gentle shove, I'd hate to think what he might do to ME (a 6'8", 320 pound guy) for jaywalking.

Of course, knowing how people drive (at least in my town) I don't DO that (jaywalk).

Come to think of it, I don't really walk at all. Maybe that's why I'm 320.

Umm... the punch had absolutely nothing to do with jaywalking...

 

[chudrockz]

Umm... the punch had absolutely nothing to do with jaywalking...

That's correct. The punch had to do with a shove by a young GIRL.

If a young girl shoved ME, and I punched her in the face, that would be in my opinion automatically excessive. Even MORE so were I a cop.

 

[fisharmor]

A dog bit me once. We need to eliminate dogs.

When a dog bites you, if you decide to press the issue, that dog gets the needle.

If dogs that bit people were instead to be temporarily relieved of the four or five things they're expected to do each week, but still got fed, then yes, I'd be in favor of eliminating dogs.

If cops who pulled crap like this got the needle, then I wouldn't have that big a problem with cops.

Happens just like this too.

Sure it does.
What this picture isn't considering is the same thing that isn't being considered by everyone here who doesn't have an automatic negative reaction to the badge.

The comic is assuming that we need the cops at all.
We don't.

The state passed racist laws to keep the liquor store owner from owning adequate means to keep himself from being slaughtered.
Then it chased off all the jobs from the area.
Then it encouraged the robber's father to leave his family.
The young man makes the forehead-slappingly obvious transition to a life of crime.
Then it's the cops' problem.
And that cop has two choices: treat the people he's trying to control like the animals they are, across the board, or take a chance at not going home that night.

Rewind the situation back to the beginning. It doesn't make any sense to pin all the blame on the cop. We have to see this situation for what it is - a situation where we're expecting miracles of the cops that they can't perform.

That doesn't excuse them and I still hate the badge. But the reason I hate it isn't because I'm being irrational: it's because we don't need them. They are only making a bad situation worse, and society in general refuses to see the obvious solution, which is to get rid of them.

I would hate the people who become cops whether they're cops or not. Create a job description that reads "power tripping dickholes needed to unnecessarily rough up brown people" and not surprisingly, that's the type of person who is going to apply.

The job is immoral, it doesn't work, and it makes the situation worse.
As I've said before, there are cops out there who help old ladies across the street.
Doesn't mean I want their jobs filled.
I don't want them to exist, and that is why I have a negative reaction to the badge.