[VIDEO] ~ Was this cop justified in punching this girl in the face?

Was this cop justified in punching this girl in the face?

  • Yes

    Votes: 68 47.9%

  • No

    Votes: 74 52.1%
  • Total voters
    142
devil21 said:
Oh well that changes everything! Why didn't you tell us sooner that pedestrian footbridges mean cops have the right to punch people that don't use them?
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He didn't say that. Try answering his assertions instead of constructing and demolishing strawmen.

The point is that jaywalking is a crime for a very specific reason, to eliminate civil and criminal liability for otherwise lawful drivers who hit jaywalkers outside of pedestrian crosswalks... These women resisted and initiated force against the police officer.
 
John Taylor said:
He didn't say that. Try answering his assertions instead of constructing and demolishing strawmen.
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What question? His assertion was that jaywalking is some heinous crime requiring the action of the police state coming down on "offenders" and naturally due to committing the heinous crime, you're at fault when a cop tries to arrest you. That's nonsense. I'll thank you very much for not trying to protect me from myself.

Neither did I see any proof of any sort of pedestrian footbridge, just another assertion.

The point is that jaywalking is a crime for a very specific reason, to eliminate civil and criminal liability for otherwise lawful drivers who hit jaywalkers outside of pedestrian crosswalks... These women resisted and initiated force against the police officer.
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Why is the cop ARRESTING people for jaywalking? Is that even an arrestable offense? Give a ticket, ok. Throwing someone in jail for crossing the street? Take off your jackboots and let your feet breath awhile JT.
 
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jsu718 said:
Has nothing to do with race. My answer to this, which was yes, had to do with what I would have done in the same situation. I would absolutely take a swing at someone else that was acting that way, regardless of race. It is essentially a matter of self defense on both sides, and the way the law sits right now people don't really have a right to defend themselves against cops. As much as I hate that aspect of the law and would fight it in every way possible outside of physical violence myself, both sides here were equally at fault unless the jaywalking was real.
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Hard to say about the video itself. As far as race goes I wonder why this cop went down to MLK Boulevard just to arrest some people for Jaywalking. You could go on any crowded street in America and find ten people jaywalking so why did he choose to go to MLK?

Not saying this case in particular - because it's just one. But overall the prevalence of arresting black people for this "crime" is way higher than anyone else from my own anecdotal experience. Way higher. Too much to be a coincidence.

I am not anti-police. In fact I would be much harsher on legit criminals than we are today. Rape, murder - put those bitches down. Destruction of property, theft - put those people away for a long time.

Jaywalking, smoking weed, expired license plates - leave us the fuck alone and stop issuing out chicken shit tickets. That's why you're so despised.
 
BlackTerrel said:
Not saying this case in particular - because it's just one. But overall the prevalence of arresting black people for this "crime" is way higher than anyone else from my own anecdotal experience. Way higher. Too much to be a coincidence.
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It's not. It gives them the excuse to search for drugs, weapons, or anything else they can proudly pose on tv with. It's just another form of profiling.
 
devil21 said:
What question? His assertion was that jaywalking is some heinous crime requiring the action of the police state coming down on "offenders" and naturally due to committing the heinous crime, you're at fault when a cop tries to arrest you. That's nonsense. I'll thank you very much for not trying to protect me from myself.

Neither did I see any proof of any sort of pedestrian footbridge, just another assertion..
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He did not say that jaywalking was "some heinous crime", what he did suggest was that there is good reason for the existance of anti-jaywalking laws. He is right, there are.

Watch the video, there is a pedestrian footbridge directly above where this woman assaulted the police officer.


devil21 said:
Why is the cop ARRESTING people for jaywalking? Is that even an arrestable offense? Give a ticket, ok. Throwing someone in jail for crossing the street? Take off your jackboots and let your feet breath awhile JT.
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The police officer did not arrest her for jaywalking.

Jaywalking should be illegal, even if completely unenforced, for the very simple reason that it serves to eliminate liability and transfer the burden of proof from drivers to pedestrians who are struck while walking/crossing outside of the crosswalks.
 
John Taylor said:
He did not say that jaywalking was "some heinous crime", what he did suggest was that there is good reason for the existance of anti-jaywalking laws. He is right, there are.
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Upholding the nanny state is not a good reason. Like I said, stop trying to protect me from myself.

Watch the video, there is a pedestrian footbridge directly above where this woman assaulted the police officer.
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Fair enough. There's a concrete something. Is it directly related to the jaywalking? Not necessarily. Brian4Liberty is providing pure conjecture.

The police officer did not arrest her for jaywalking.
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He was arresting the first girl for jaywalking and then when the second girl (the punchee) intervened, she was punched by the cop. The cop was arresting the first girl for jaywalking. He was trying to force her hands behind her back (not to mention nearly exposing her breasts by ripping her shirt). That much is obvious. I would have intervened as well if a cop was trying to throw my friend in jail for jaywalking. Would you not? No, because you're a pure statist.

Jaywalking should be illegal, even if completely unenforced, for the very simple reason that it serves to eliminate liability and transfer the burden of proof from drivers to pedestrians who are struck while walking/crossing outside of the crosswalks.
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Aside from the nanny state implications, jaywalking may be illegal but it should NOT be an arrestable offense. Ever. A civil infraction maybe but not a criminal action subject to incarceration. The cop's actions in arresting a young person for such a silly reason is the catalyst for this episode.
 
Just by viewing that clip (no sound), I would say yes -

I am just thinking if that was me and I had two hostile people all in my face - and I am seeing hands waving in my face and shoving w/ very hostile intent, of course I would crack her one. Obviously "reason" wasn't working with these shining examples of civilized society. If that dude all of sudden was wrestled to the ground and his gun taken, then a bullet in the head - all you numbskulls would be saying "Fuck that, he should have known they were gonna gang tackle him - he deserved it"...

Hey, if a cop stops me, I listen. I will fight my legal battles in a way I can win. You think by acting ghetto and "hard" you ain't gonna get your ass handed to you? Think again.

Remember, I am just basing it off what I saw... if he was swinging first or abusive first, and that is omitted in the video then I retract my feelings. But as it stands, he throw the classic "Rigth" with nice effect. I congratulate him.

And yeah "it was racist".. get a fucking life.
 
To everyone who says that he would have punched the girl too: that's why you shouldn't be a cop. If you can't handle yourself around a couple of teenage girls, then you shouldn't be a cop. Because cops are given discretion to kill, they need to be held to the highest possible standards of behavior. Belting teenage girls is totally unacceptable. The fact that you would have punched the girl in the face too is not an excuse; cops need to meet a higher standard than "what would some random asshole on the internet do?"
 
dmitchell said:
To everyone who says that he would have punched the girl too: that's why you shouldn't be a cop. If you can't handle yourself around a couple of teenage girls, then you shouldn't be a cop. Because cops are given discretion to kill, they need to be held to the highest possible standards of behavior. Belting teenage girls is totally unacceptable. The fact that you would have punched the girl in the face too is not an excuse; cops need to meet a higher standard than "what would some random asshole on the internet do?"
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And in light of the second video, I guess the second police officer should not have restrained her or tried to get her into the vehicle, either? What, precisely, should police do when they are shoved at by multiple people? He punched her so hard she was uninjured and even smiling for the camera. :rolleyes: Is this the part where no force is ever justified? I'm sorry, but if people are shoving the cop around and the cop punches back, that shouldn't be a shock. It's the same category/level of force. Is it some weird sense of ageism or sexism that holds you back? If he'd hit one of the numerous teenaged boys around there, would that have been okay? Or one of the older ladies? Or an older gentleman?

The original "stop" for jaywalking shouldn't have happened, but when some crazy women start shoving me around I will absolutely shove back, shield or no shield. If that's "asshole" behavior, so be it.
 
orenbus said:
Oh here is some raw video of what happened after.

YouTube - Caught on Tape - Police Officer Punching Woman Resisting Arrest

After watching this I'm not sure if the police officer has the physical capabilities to do the job, there is no reason a teenage girl should be giving him this much trouble when trying to arrest her.
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Well shit. After watching that Im not sure what to make of the news video anymore. Seems they did some creative editing and it's hard to tell what happened when. Oh well. Still not surprised to see a cop lose his temper and punch someone when she doesn't "respect his authoritah!". And still think it's stupid to harrass people over crossing the street.

I agree that the cop shouldn't have that much trouble subduing her. He's proof of why "body building" does not equal "strength". Get that man an exercise routine that includes push-ups and squats quick!
 
He's unjustified for trying to make an arrest for jaywalking. But that's the sort of situation where the law has to be utilized against the officer. They simply handed him an easy "resisting arrest" and "assaulting an officer" charge. Both more serious than jaywalking, and both tougher to fight given the video evidence.
 
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