Video Showing What Has to be Done at Conventions
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i agree, it would have been that much more powerful. But still a great job.
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Mr. Walker gave a great speech in support of Mr. Blosser. I did not attend this convention because I am a member of a different Senate District; however, it is my understanding that the Temporary Chair, GOP Insider, Stuart Lane sent out an e-mail smearing Mr. Blosser just before the Convention started, and Senator McCain called for all his supporters to show up and "stay until the end." I believe Mr. Blosser actually lost the vote as Permanent Chair by a margin of 2 to 1.
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Mr. Walker gave a great speech in support of Mr. Blosser. I did not attend this convention because I am a member of a different Senate District; however, it is my understanding that the Temporary Chair, GOP Insider, Stuart Lane sent out an e-mail smearing Mr. Blosser just before the Convention started, and Senator McCain called for all his supporters to show up and "stay until the end." I believe Mr. Blosser actually lost the vote as Permanent Chair by a margin of 2 to 1.
And that's why we go in with all the covert BS. Yeah, I want to stand up and give an earth-shaking floor-stomping speech -- what's more I'm actually capable of it. But the time to do that is AFTER all the covert work is done, when it no longer matters.
Because when you come in with a frontal assault, sorry guys, but the Neocons have bigger guns right now. We can win the battle, but at the moment we have to do it by outflanking them in maneuver warfare.
Doesn't mean I exactly LIKE it though.
But we will do what we must do. The Revolution marches on ladies and gents!
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And that's why we go in with all the covert BS. Yeah, I want to stand up and give an earth-shaking floor-stomping speech -- what's more I'm actually capable of it. But the time to do that is AFTER all the covert work is done, when it no longer matters.
Because when you come in with a frontal assault, sorry guys, but the Neocons have bigger guns right now. We can win the battle, but at the moment we have to do it by outflanking them in maneuver warfare.
Doesn't mean I exactly LIKE it though.
But we will do what we must do. The Revolution marches on ladies and gents!
I love the speech but I have to agree with GunnyFreedom (this is why I asked the question). We have to out-think and out-strategize them. It is really the only effective way to succeed at this stage. Blosser got destroyed by 2 to 1. It has nothing to do with his character or his ability to do the job. But by openly proclaiming to be a Ron Paul supporter, we will face the full wrath and power of the opposition.
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And that's why we go in with all the covert BS. Yeah, I want to stand up and give an earth-shaking floor-stomping speech -- what's more I'm actually capable of it. But the time to do that is AFTER all the covert work is done, when it no longer matters.
Because when you come in with a frontal assault, sorry guys, but the Neocons have bigger guns right now. We can win the battle, but at the moment we have to do it by outflanking them in maneuver warfare.
Doesn't mean I exactly LIKE it though.
But we will do what we must do. The Revolution marches on ladies and gents!
Sir,
I cannot agree with you more. My Senate District is the "Reddest in the nation" (that is supposedly the most (Conservative) Republican district). That said, we decided not to go for the throat (as Mr. Blosser's district did). Given that I basically know what was going on, I can't fault Mr. Walker, or Mr. Blosser for what they did. They did what they had to do, and I salute them.
However, I must report that in my Senate District I witnessed huge successes. We got AT LEAST 42% of the delegates in as Ron Paul delegates, probably somewhere around the same number alternates, PLUS those who flew under the radar. We got all of this without a fight, sheer numbers, and brokering "behind the scenes deals."
I have friends in other counties in this state and they had the most success in Counties where they "flew under the radar." Given what we're up against I highly suggest that all of you learn from this and take the appropriate measures. Nonetheless, if any of you feel compelled to stand up against the establishment and give your all, I cannot hold it against you.
GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!
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Trust me ladies and gentlemen, the TIME WILL COME when we can and MUST go at them head-on. And that time will probably be during the primary cycle of 2012. But if we are going to create the kind of environment to be able to deliver the coup-de-grace that quickly, then we need to keep working throughout the next 4 years.
If we work our butts off between now and the 2012 primaries, giving this very effort TOP PRIORITY, then I guarantee you that we will have seized total control over the GOP by that time. We are working the GOP right now when people are naturally at their most active. Just think about it for a moment, think about how much easier it will be to wrest total control from the neo-cons in the OFF-years, like 2009, and 2011?
I say we keep on keeping on, make a MAJOR move in 2009 to take over control, then in 2010 we retrench and hold our ground, working the Ron Paul Congress project, and then in 2011 we make another MAJOR move and keep on pushing until we control the whole damn machine. Then, THEN we can put the whole party machine behind the next Liberty/Constitutionalist platform candidate (instead of in his way).
If we work our butts off between now and the 2012 primaries, giving this very effort TOP PRIORITY, then I guarantee you that we will have seized total control over the GOP by that time. We are working the GOP right now when people are naturally at their most active. Just think about it for a moment, think about how much easier it will be to wrest total control from the neo-cons in the OFF-years, like 2009, and 2011?
I say we keep on keeping on, make a MAJOR move in 2009 to take over control, then in 2010 we retrench and hold our ground, working the Ron Paul Congress project, and then in 2011 we make another MAJOR move and keep on pushing until we control the whole damn machine. Then, THEN we can put the whole party machine behind the next Liberty/Constitutionalist platform candidate (instead of in his way).
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wow... epic
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well damn. I'm the kind of person to show my support out in the open for all to see. I was also pretty persuasive at my precinct caucus.
Covert it is then with a 2:1 loss :-(
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With respect, most of you don't know what we were dealing with here and the few of you that do succeeded where you did partly because of what we did here.
We did not go in to this convention trying to take over because we were bored. We went in needing to remove the chair just to ensure some modicum of debate would be allowed. This is a district infamous for heavy-handedness, manipulation, you name it. We went for the chair because we had nothing to lose. At that point their directive was to assume any new face was a "Ron Paul Interloper" and shut them out. We had to come with more people than them and hope for support from the existing part of the party infrastructure that was opposed to them and in favor of fair play. Unfortunately in the end not enough of our people came and their scare tactics worked and we lost the vote. The room was closer than the final tally (around 600 to 1100); the votes were counted using a proportional voting system that ended up favoring them over us because they got a lot of kool-aid drinkers there. If anything the thing that hurt us the most (apart from some of our people not coming) was the news from Missouri's successes getting blown up all over the news and being used to scare the neocon faithful here that we were going to do the same thing. Understand that the last time someone tried to take down this chair, it was a party activist who had been working for years and knew a whole lot of people, and they got 33%. We managed slightly better on our attempt after less than a year of work.
Regardless, we stayed and kept calling them on the rule violations, though, and from the phone calls I've been getting and conversations I've been having we made a whole lot of friends in the old guard of the party. The fight here isn't over yet and I have no regrets of the accounting we made of ourselves or the progress we've made so far, and I don't doubt our ability to move this position forward rapidly.
I would never go back and redo the last 9 months playing it secret the whole way. This is not a campaign about deceit and sneaking through without getting caught, this is a campaign about no compromise and speaking Truth to Power. That is where our strength lies and that is where the victory will be found, even if we don't find it on the first pass.
For more info on what went on in our area, what we needed to do, the contrast between fair and unfair conventions, etc., here's a few interviews the campaign just did with us:
http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates/2008/04/04/interviews-with-grassroots-leaders/
We did not go in to this convention trying to take over because we were bored. We went in needing to remove the chair just to ensure some modicum of debate would be allowed. This is a district infamous for heavy-handedness, manipulation, you name it. We went for the chair because we had nothing to lose. At that point their directive was to assume any new face was a "Ron Paul Interloper" and shut them out. We had to come with more people than them and hope for support from the existing part of the party infrastructure that was opposed to them and in favor of fair play. Unfortunately in the end not enough of our people came and their scare tactics worked and we lost the vote. The room was closer than the final tally (around 600 to 1100); the votes were counted using a proportional voting system that ended up favoring them over us because they got a lot of kool-aid drinkers there. If anything the thing that hurt us the most (apart from some of our people not coming) was the news from Missouri's successes getting blown up all over the news and being used to scare the neocon faithful here that we were going to do the same thing. Understand that the last time someone tried to take down this chair, it was a party activist who had been working for years and knew a whole lot of people, and they got 33%. We managed slightly better on our attempt after less than a year of work.
Regardless, we stayed and kept calling them on the rule violations, though, and from the phone calls I've been getting and conversations I've been having we made a whole lot of friends in the old guard of the party. The fight here isn't over yet and I have no regrets of the accounting we made of ourselves or the progress we've made so far, and I don't doubt our ability to move this position forward rapidly.
I would never go back and redo the last 9 months playing it secret the whole way. This is not a campaign about deceit and sneaking through without getting caught, this is a campaign about no compromise and speaking Truth to Power. That is where our strength lies and that is where the victory will be found, even if we don't find it on the first pass.
For more info on what went on in our area, what we needed to do, the contrast between fair and unfair conventions, etc., here's a few interviews the campaign just did with us:
http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates/2008/04/04/interviews-with-grassroots-leaders/
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