[Video] Ron Paul farewell speech on House floor 11/14/12

newbitech said:
yeah see, back to the part where I talked about animosity. You hate government and you hate rulers. That is fine that you want to ignore that those people exist. After all, that is what the government and rulers are. People, like you and me. That belief is what brought about the current iteration of civilization. I have no doubt that one day probably soon, you will get your collapse. Hopefully no one tries to pick up the pieces and everyone runs off in to their own little corner for a little while and thinks about liberty and freedom. But, we know that ain't ever gonna happen. Ever.
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I don't hate something that doesn't exist. I think people are indoctrinated at a very early age to believe in the myth of authority. Kids are taught that obedience to authority is good and virtuous, (parents, teachers, police, politicians etc..)and you should obey. In regards to hating rulers, well now we can talk about disdain and frustration on the part of the ruled that it is immoral to rule over people. I'd like to add something else if the belief in government were to go away much like slavery did... not everyone would benefit from total freedom. For example the people who are in the ruling class would have to find another job say.. in the private sector and actually contribute to the economy rather than sucking off the fruits of everyone elses labor. As Ron Paul recognizes, with many Austrians as well, there will be a collapse as this can't go on and sustain itself.
 
McChronagle said:
whats the difference self gov vs volantarism vs volantaryism? i dont think ron acting through politics means he endorses the politics and doesnt mean he denies volantarism. i think he used it more as an educational tool and to act as a good example if we are forced to live with these politics. the dictionary has both voluntaryism/voluntarism for one definition from what i can find. same with other sources i looked through.
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self-government is defined in scales. Individual, couples, families, extended families, co-workers, neighborhoods, towns, cities, counties, states, nations, blocs (NATO/UN), the world. We place artificial constraints on self-government primarily via geography or physical proximity. Self government is dynamic and fluctuates, depending on scope of activities.

voluntarism is the use of a voluntary action. I drink pepsi instead of coke. I wake up at 7:30am. I drive a truck. I eat veggies.

voluntaryism is a deep rooted anarchist type philosophy that has branched out from even deeper rooted libertarian philosophies which holds a key tenant that participating in politics perpetuates the legitimacy of "the state".

So,

What do you mean endorses the politics? He went to congress to make a difference. He has been successful beyond what he thought was possible. I don't think he denies voluntaryism. I also don't think he endorses it either, and I certainly don't think he "is one". His actions do not match the philosophy.

As far as definitions, voluntarism is an actual word. It is often confused between what is meant by this word because the base voluntary. Voluntaryism is misused when it is being used to mean a voluntary action. The reason it's misused is because that "word" voluntaryism has been coined to mean a specific philosophy that has some basis in the root voluntary. However, to understand the philosophy, it is not enough to simply take your idea of the root word and accept that as what the philosophy stands for.

For instance, if a voluntaryist voluntarily ran for and became president of the United States, would that then mean the person is no longer a voluntaryist or would it mean that voluntaryism no longer "seek instead to delegitimize the State through education, and advocate the withdrawal of the cooperation and tacit consent on which state power ultimately depends".

Some will argue that you can't judge a philosophy by one man who claims to adhere to it yet breaks it's tenants. Well, Ron Paul never claimed to be a Voluntaryist, and I doubt he ever will. Because in doing so, he would either have to say he changed his mind about his purpose for the last 30 years in being in Congress, OR that he believes voluntaryism is compatible with participating in the "state apparatus". At which point, he would be at odds with other so called voluntaryist who don't believe in acting in such a way.
 
PreDeadMan said:
I don't hate something that doesn't exist. I think people are indoctrinated at a very early age to believe in the myth of authority. Kids are taught that obedience to authority is good and virtuous, (parents, teachers, police, politicians etc..)and you should obey. In regards to hating rulers, well now we can talk about disdain and frustration on the part of the ruled that it is immoral to rule over people. I'd like to add something else if the belief in government were to go away much like slavery did... not everyone would benefit from total freedom. For example the people who are in the ruling class would have to find another job say.. in the private sector and actually contribute to the economy rather than sucking off the fruits of everyone elses labor. As Ron Paul recognizes, with many Austrians as well, there will be a collapse as this can't go on and sustain itself.
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government is people. but it doesn't matter. you think authority is a myth. so do you have authority over your hands, and if so, will you please make them stop typing :p
 
Oh geez.....my eyes are already welling up and I got a lump in my throat just reading the original post in the thread. Guess I better wait until later to actually watch.
 
I'm trying to download it, but CSPAN's player doesn't like me doing that. So I have to record it (meaning I have to rewatch the whole thing). I'm almost done and will upload it onto YouTube. Should be up in about 45 minutes. It's a big file!
 
I'm not at home so I can't play the video, but I've just finished reading the full transcript.

I will have go back and listen to it spoken again, that was amazing. :)
 
Confederate said:
I'm trying to download it, but CSPAN's player doesn't like me doing that. So I have to record it (meaning I have to rewatch the whole thing). I'm almost done and will upload it onto YouTube. Should be up in about 45 minutes. It's a big file!
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...my hero
 
Captain Shays said:
Yes they were reprimanded but I think they knew it was against the rules and did it anyway. I really would like to know who applauded. I agree with them with all my heart. I some day want to be reprimanded for applauding Ron Paul so I can give whoever it is the New Jersey state bird symbol
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The guy said something like "such applause is inappropriate" or something. I wish someone would have said "You're inappropriate!!!!" LOL
 
newbitech said:
government is people. but it doesn't matter. you think authority is a myth. so do you have authority over your hands, and if so, will you please make them stop typing :p
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"government" implies the right to rule over people. That doesn't exist nobody has a right to rule over people. When I type of "authority" just know that I am typing in reference to a specific type of authority in contrast to "government" which implies ruling over people. If I employ someone to work for my business and they agree to work for me I'm still the boss that is not the same authority as forcing people against their will to be ruled as you can quit said job anytime you'd like.
 
so I take a break for two days and Ron gives his farewell address.

Dammit.......

well I'll have to watch it later tonight.
 
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