[Video] Ron Paul farewell speech on House floor 11/14/12

[dinosaur]

Some of you seem mixed on that speech, I thought it was once of his most brilliant yet. The delivery may have been a little off, but he slapped them around pretty good and I loved how he centered his approach around virtue and compassion, in a way which people who flaunt their faith, can never manage to do. He presents a positive, inspiring approach to pursuing conservative policies, rather than the typical gloom and doom scare tactics. The GOP desperately needs that right now, if they're not too stupid to see it. I loved it.

Epic speech, not his best delivery. I don't think the delivery matters because the success of Ron Paul was always the strength of his message and the example he sets.

 

[cstarace]

Wait, someone thought RP was not a voluntarist?

Just wait until Travlyr gets here. Heads will explode.

 

[CaseyJones]

thanks, here's the working link and starts at 2:08:40
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HouseSession5365

make a thread and promote that?

 

[garyallen59]

I added the link to the C-SPAN video in OP. If a mod would change the title to indicate that would be great. Thanks

 

[jct74]

make a thread and promote that?

tube will probably show up sometime soon, then can add to OP and front page it, that's what I would do.

 

[CaseyJones]

tube will probably show up sometime soon, then can add to OP and front page it, that's what I would do.

Ya I just thought that after I commented
title edited btw

 

[Cabal]

Just wait until Travlyr gets here. Heads will explode.

Rofl. Nah, he'll continue to deny.

 

[Captain Shays]

SPEAKER, "Members of the galley, will be reminded, that it is, inappropriate to express approval or disapproval, uh, proceedings"


No problem for the Nationally televised applause for when the president or one of minions speak at their political Kabuki Theater TV reality shows on corp media. Even worse, when foreign politicians give speeches from the chair, and the jellyfish jump to joy, especially when someone from the terrorist state Israel speaks.

Fuck their decorum bullshit.

Spot on Bro. Man, I wish I knew who it was who applauded. I kow there werent that many in attendence but who were they?

 

[newbitech]

lol voluntaryism.... YEAH RON PAUL!! i knew he was a voluntaryist

i don't think you could describe him as a voluntaryist. Although, he did say the Constitution has failed, so I don't think we will here him call himself that again.

Philosophically, I think he deserves to have his own recognition, rather than tie his views to any particular subset of a subset of other philosophies.

There is a not so subtle difference between "being" a voluntaryist and endorsing voluntarism. In the former, its an entire set of beliefs and way of thinking, like any philosophy. In the later, its the use of voluntary action. OF course the philosophy of voluntaryism has the use of voluntary action as a component. Taken in context, voluntary action occurs quite frequently regardless of one's philosophy or politics.

Anyways, I agree with most of the philosophy, but like any philosophy that doesn't come from my own head, I have some nags with it. Particularly the insistence on the elimination of "government" and "rulers". While I agree that rulers and governments are the primary source of coercion, I do not believe that elimination of those two things is the answer to more liberty and freedom.

I also think that if Ron Paul were a voluntaryist, he would not be as interested in politics to the point of making a career out of it. If perhaps one day he came out and acknowledge his adherence to this particular philosophy, I am sure it would be full of caveats. I am also sure that the philosophy itself is born out of something other than a simple desire to pursue liberty. I think there is some animosity built in there that is shared esoterically among those who call themselves voluntaryist.

I don't mind that either, I just think it gets in the way of seeing who people really are. Like Ron Paul for instance. Here is a man that has been giving pretty much the same speech for decades, and his unheralded exit from politics is exactly what his supporters AND everyone else would have expected from him. There is great value in that, and it can be seen by anyone, regardless of what they believe.

 

[jtwing85]

This is the clip.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4161900

 

[mport1]

Wait, someone thought RP was not a voluntarist?

Yes, LOTS of people in these forums.

 

[McChronagle]

i don't think you could describe him as a voluntaryist.

he agrees the goal is self government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wOfhejPs08

 

[libertygrl]

You got a tube?....

Sorry, they didn't allow any cameras inside. This was the best I could do:

 

[libertygrl]

Spot on Bro. Man, I wish I knew who it was who applauded. I kow there werent that many in attendence but who were they?

I don't know but it was great. But weren't they reprimanded for doing so? That's what I thought I heard.

 

[newbitech]

he agrees the goal is self government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wOfhejPs08

So do i, doesn't make me a voluntaryist. In that same video, he also explains that there are different ways to go about achieving this. He chose the political route which is acutely NOT the route a voluntaryist would take.

Also, I will point out the spelling in the transcript. Voluntarism was the word chosen, not Voluntaryism. There is a reason for the difference, look it up. I'm not even lying.

EDIT: Well, no, not that video. That video was obviously cut out to push this point which has been going on for years and years. quite irresponsible.

When I originally posted this video back in 2008 or so, it was to point out the idea of self government and to show how Ron Paul referenced Gandhi and national self-determination in my debunk of some anarchist trying to convince the board that Ron Paul was a full blown anarchist.

This video you posted rips out the context of the conversation he had with the guy. SO you don't get to hear the really good parts where he talks about civil disobedience and nullification.

 

[PreDeadMan]

"Particularly the insistence on the elimination of "government" and "rulers". While I agree that rulers and governments are the primary source of coercion, I do not believe that elimination of those two things is the answer to more liberty and freedom."

In response to that part of your post newbitech government doesn't exist neither does the right to rule people. In my opinion UNTILL the belief in government and the belief that it's ok to rule over people is rejected liberty and freedom will not move forward into fruition. I'd like to say to the open forums on here that Ron Paul is an example of a person who didn't say out loud in public on forums that he rejects government(today is the exception as it's his last speech in congress) but philosophically hinting here and there he advocated for voluntaryism. So if one of the few VERY honest and uncorruptable people try to work within the system and can't seem to change it... it tells you that the system can't be changed for the better. To test this theory on a smaller level try to infiltrate your local gang and turn it into a non-profit organization that is a smaller scale of trying to change something other than the leviathan called the "us government".

 

[Deborah K]

We need 50 of this great man .. awesome speach, thanks for the transcript too.

WE are Ron Paul!!!

 

[McChronagle]

So do i, doesn't make me a voluntaryist. In that same video, he also explains that there are different ways to go about achieving this. He chose the political route which is acutely NOT the route a voluntaryist would take.

Also, I will point out the spelling in the transcript. Voluntarism was the word chosen, not Voluntaryism. There is a reason for the difference, look it up. I'm not even lying.

EDIT: Well, no, not that video. That video was obviously cut out to push this point which has been going on for years and years. quite irresponsible.

When I originally posted this video back in 2008 or so, it was to point out the idea of self government and to show how Ron Paul referenced Gandhi and national self-determination in my debunk of some anarchist trying to convince the board that Ron Paul was a full blown anarchist.

This video you posted rips out the context of the conversation he had with the guy. SO you don't get to hear the really good parts where he talks about civil disobedience and nullification.

whats the difference self gov vs volantarism vs volantaryism? i dont think ron acting through politics means he endorses the politics and doesnt mean he denies volantarism. i think he used it more as an educational tool and to act as a good example if we are forced to live with these politics. the dictionary has both voluntaryism/voluntarism for one definition from what i can find. same with other sources i looked through.

 

[newbitech]

"Particularly the insistence on the elimination of "government" and "rulers". While I agree that rulers and governments are the primary source of coercion, I do not believe that elimination of those two things is the answer to more liberty and freedom."

In response to that part of your post newbitech government doesn't exist neither does the right to rule people. In my opinion UNTILL the belief in government and the belief that it's ok to rule over people is rejected liberty and freedom will not move forward into fruition. I'd like to say to the open forums on here that Ron Paul is an example of a person who didn't say out loud in public on forums that he rejects government(today is the exception as it's his last speech in congress) but philosophically hinting here and there he advocated for voluntaryism. So if one of the few VERY honest and uncorruptable people try to work within the system and can't seem to change it... it tells you that the system can't be changed for the better. To test this theory on a smaller level try to infiltrate your local gang and turn it into a non-profit organization that is a smaller scale of trying to change something other than the leviathan called the "us government".

yeah see, back to the part where I talked about animosity. You hate government and you hate rulers. That is fine that you want to ignore that those people exist. After all, that is what the government and rulers are. People, like you and me. That belief is what brought about the current iteration of civilization. I have no doubt that one day probably soon, you will get your collapse. Hopefully no one tries to pick up the pieces and everyone runs off in to their own little corner for a little while and thinks about liberty and freedom. But, we know that ain't ever gonna happen. Ever.

 

[Captain Shays]

I don't know but it was great. But weren't they reprimanded for doing so? That's what I thought I heard.

Yes they were reprimanded but I think they knew it was against the rules and did it anyway. I really would like to know who applauded. I agree with them with all my heart. I some day want to be reprimanded for applauding Ron Paul so I can give whoever it is the New Jersey state bird symbol