TC - It's one of those things I think where it's a lot more difficult to see if you actually agree with it. Imagine if there was another libertarian-leaning Senator, doing a speech where he covers a number of public policy points, and sprinkled among those policy points, he brings up how America needs to come back with a revival to the teachings of the Vedas, and how no secular government can claim the same motivation as Ghandi; making constant references to Hinduism, no references to any other belief systems, and not taking any care to let the audience know when he is only expressing a personal opinion? How confident would you be that this Senator would keep government out of the business of imposing religion?
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TC - It's one of those things I think where it's a lot more difficult to see if you actually agree with it. Imagine if there was another libertarian-leaning Senator, doing a speech where he covers a number of public policy points, and sprinkled among those policy points, he brings up how America needs to come back with a revival to the teachings of the Vedas, and how no secular government can claim the same motivation as Ghandi; making constant references to Hinduism, no references to any other belief systems, and not taking any care to let the audience know when he is only expressing a personal opinion? How confident would you be that this Senator would keep government out of the business of imposing religion?
That would be rather weird. I think you do have to take into account though that America is predominately a Christian nation, and the majority of the people who will be voting in the 2016 elections will be Christians. (At least in name) That's just the way it is. This isn't to say that other religions aren't allowed in America. People are free to practice any religion they choose in this country, including atheism. But I don't think you can just ignore the Judea-Christian roots that we have as a nation.
Yes, certainly can't ignore it if you want to win an election. I'm not saying it's not good politically. But just because "Judeo-Christian roots" are a big part of our nation's history, does not mean that it will always be predominantly Judeo-Christian. The system has to still be able to work regardless of which religion happens to be in the majority. That's exactly how it was designed.
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Pretty good speech, but I just noticed something. Why is it that so much of the content of his speeches focus on quotes from famous people. Ronald Reagan, Mother Theresa, Thomas Payne...
Does anyone else think he might ought to focus more on being Rand Paul? That is not intended as criticism, I am behind him, but what do y'all think?
Absolutely agree with you.
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How could it not?
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Maybe you're not aware the audience he's speaking to. He is talking about himself and his religion because that is what is important to the people who were there. He addressed the issues important to them, because they came to hear what he believes about what is important to themselves, not what is important to other people.
Pretty good speech, but I just noticed something. Why is it that so much of the content of his speeches focus on quotes from famous people. Ronald Reagan, Mother Theresa, Thomas Payne...
Does anyone else think he might ought to focus more on being Rand Paul? That is not intended as criticism, I am behind him, but what do y'all think?
I didn't know this opinion existed in the world, and I don't understand it. Quotes bolster credibility and are interesting IMO.
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Randal @ 16:59 shows just how comfortable he has gotten and can charm off the cuff. Start @16:35 for context.
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Rand quoted Bastiat and went through the Seen vs the Unseen with McConnell during the health care debate last year and I thought it was really great. Those kind of little quotes and examples convinced me that he knows his stuff.
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The audience cheering for Israel made me nauseous. I understand the religious pandering shit, but it's definitely uncomfortable to watch.
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So many of you want to change the Republican Party from within. I am of one who wants to bolt and take the Liberty message to the Independent Party which has really no message, no platform, no leaders. It could be ours! 
With that said, this is the speech you have to give to social conservatives if you want to win the Republican nomination. It was a good speech but nothing mind blowing. Rand unlike his father is doing what needs to be done to pave a way to the WH which includes his most recent trip to CA silicon valley area. It's how you win within the system - expanding your network, rubbing shoulders, building coalitions, etc.
For those anti-semantics in here, Israel isn't going anywhere.
With that said, this is the speech you have to give to social conservatives if you want to win the Republican nomination. It was a good speech but nothing mind blowing. Rand unlike his father is doing what needs to be done to pave a way to the WH which includes his most recent trip to CA silicon valley area. It's how you win within the system - expanding your network, rubbing shoulders, building coalitions, etc.
For those anti-semantics in here, Israel isn't going anywhere.
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What are you talking about? Imposing religion? How so? What religion does Rand want to impose on every and can you give us that Senate Bill # please? Where does Rand believe that you must be a Christian too and read the bible and pray to Jesus at night before going to bed? This imposing you speak of does not exist and more a mental reaction created by liberal fascists onto the masses who actually can't read the freaking Constitution and what is actually says.
As an atheist, I was not threatened by this speech. Take the abortion issue. Regardless of religion or no religion, a philosophical point can be made that abortion is morally wrong because it does take a life. According to you if I gave such speech, I would be imposing my religion yet I don't have one.
If Rand says murder is wrong, people like you would run around yelling "separation of church and state" because it's in the Bible AND that Rand is imposing his religion on everyone. It's just total nonsense.
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Rand Paul needs to make Christian arguments against war.
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Please explain in detail why he needs to do so?
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To counter people like John Hagee.
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I don't really see that as Rand's role. There are plenty of other people more qualified to do so and he's got plenty enough on his plate. If somebody wants to hear the antiwar arguments from a Christian perspective they are out there. Christians that want war simply don't want to hear or don't accept those arguments.
In the post you quoted, I didn't mention Rand. You aren't addressing the example I was speaking about. And even in the previous post when I was speaking about Rand, I was talking about the things he says that are *not* matters of public policy, when they are jumbled in indiscriminately with things that *are*.
No, I never said that there aren't secular arguments against abortion.
Yes, that is total nonsense.
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But Rand Paul is respected among Conservatives, he has a unique opportunity to make a Christian case against war.
Well, judging by the straw poll results, religious conservatives respect a lot of others more than Rand
To be honest with regards to winning in 2016 youre gonna need to social conservatives, however I wish the part would just send them back to the democrats. The social conservatives have been nothing but a disaster for this country, and the fact that social conservatism is what is most identified by young people as american republicanism it destroys the parties chances of ever winning over young, women or minority voters.
1/2 of the republican party of today will be dead of old age within 20 years, if the party wants to survive long term it has to drop social conservatism.
1/2 of the republican party of today will be dead of old age within 20 years, if the party wants to survive long term it has to drop social conservatism.
Well, if he was tailoring his speech to this audience, that would be why he needed to do so in this situation.
I listened to both Rand's and Ted's speeches, and the one area Ted did more of I thought was in referencing certain verses, and using them pretty consistently. One in particular. (That being said, after listening to their speeches, it once again confirmed why I don't attend these type of conventions. And I'm meaning political in general, not the Value Voters Summit.)
Rand could have done the same thing, and made a very good case for a constitutional government at the same time. Unfortunately, he is tiptoeing around the foreign policy issue and Israel issue, because he is afraid the truth might offend some Pharisees? He has REPEATEDLY failed to use a single point that would be a game changer (IMO) when speaking on foreign policy, and THIS event would have been a good place to use it. Considering the audience.
This was the perfect place to speak about a Christian, constitutional, foreign policy to Pharisees that may be seeking truth, but not understanding it because of propaganda they have heard it their entire lives.
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