[VIDEO] Mom calls cops to help son. Cops shoot him while hands are at his side, lie on report.

[specsaregood]

I'm interested in knowing how many other "justified" shootings this cop has been involved in during his career.

Well here is an instance from 2009
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2009/12/police-15-officers-fired-their.html/

Police said Monday that 13 Dallas officers and two Mesquite officers opened fire on a robbery suspect who refused to drop his weapon in Pleasant Grove Sunday night, killing the 19-year-old Dallas man.

Dontell Mitch Terrell of Dallas died at Baylor University Medical Center at Dallas shortly after he was shot. It is unclear how many times he was hit, but police said 13 Dallas officers and two Mesquite officers fired at him in the 10000 block of Mesita Drive near North Masters Drive and Lake June Road.

Officer Cardan Spencer, 2 years

 

[Sam I am]

by the way, the guy is still alive


quote from the exact same article that the op linked

After Bennett fell to the ground, the surveillance video shows Watson kick an object — presumably the knife — away from him. He then handcuffs Bennett.

Jackson then ran out of her home and approached the officers.

“I started screaming, ‘What have you done to my son?’” she said. “He never meant any harm to those police.”

Bullets also slammed into a neighbor’s windows. Police evidence tape now covers the spot where the bullets hit.

“Had someone been in that home, they could have been shot as well or maybe killed,” Jackson said.

Jackson said that in the hours after the shooting, she tried to see him her son, but armed Dallas police officers would not allow her into his hospital room.

“They said, ‘You don’t need to be here. You son is under arrest for trying to hurt police officers,’” Jackson said. “I said, ‘What would you do if it was your son?’”

She said one of the officers then briefly allowed her sit in a chair in the doorway and peer into Bennett’s room.

She said she’s relieved her son is alive and now she wants justice for him.

“It’s the officers that need something done to them,” Jackson said. “This is not right. Any way I see this is wrong.”

 

[mczerone]

Is it a justified shooting if you are in fear of your safety?

Serious question.

I thought it was more like in fear of your life- or someone elses.

If i could start shooting every time i feared for my safety, I'd be killing people the whole way to work.... "Crazy bitch that wasnt a safe speed to approach the rear of my vehicle! (Pow pow pow)"

"Where's your turn signal?? BITCH! (Pow pow pow pow)"

Legally, you can only use deadly force in self defense if there was a reasonable fear for your life: You had to actually be afraid, AND a normal/reasonable person in the same situation would have feared for their life.

That's why the cops always line their reports with "at that time the subject came at me aggressively with a knife raised in his right hand." If it wasn't for this video, there's not more than 1% of judges or juries that would think that the cop was lying. That's the only good thing to come out of these police abuses; more people are beginning to see that cops lie. Everyday in at least one report. They embellish to meet the legal requirements. They use "cop-speak" to make themselves sound like a Vulcan observer. Yet they constantly claim "fear" of everyone they interact with while pretending that their judgments of situations are perfectly calm, rational, objective and absolute.

 

[asurfaholic]

That's how it is with all emergency workers. When I was a firefighter we were told our safety was our # 1 priority. That meant, for example, if the flames were too high in a house we didn't rush in, instead we might back up and throw some water on the blaze first.

For cops, it's obvious that their training does not involve stepping back and reconsidering (I doubt some are mentally capable), it means shooting at anything that appears threatening-- including a squirrel according to another thread.

Well I went through police training - passed top of the class too- and we were taught that you only use deadly force when you feared for your life. (Or someone else's life)

So my question was kind of back handed.. You can't shoot because you feel unsafe.

So maybe you are dealing with a man with a knife- potentially unsafe, no doubt. It is murder to kill him because you are feeling too scared. There are less lethal options available, but these were ignored.

I guess the cops were of the mindset that "you don't bring a knife to a gunfight" which is true- but it never had to be a "fight".

 

[JK/SEA]

They fucking missed as well?

most likely the slugs hit bone, bounced around, came out the other side hitting whatever was in the way....

article says the cops were SPECIAL TRAINED....yep...trained to kill, let the Union sort it out.

 

[RJB]

Well I went through police training - passed top of the class too- and we were taught that you only use deadly force when you feared for your life. (Or someone else's life)

So my question was kind of back handed.. You can't shoot because you feel unsafe.

So maybe you are dealing with a man with a knife- potentially unsafe, no doubt. It is murder to kill him because you are feeling too scared. There are less lethal options available, but these were ignored.

I guess the cops were of the mindset that "you don't bring a knife to a gunfight" which is true- but it never had to be a "fight".

I agree with you, however the internal investigation may disagree with us.

 

[coastie]

most likely the slugs hit bone, bounced around, came out the other side hitting whatever was in the way....

article says the cops were SPECIAL TRAINED....yep...trained to kill, let the Union sort it out.

Cops use hollow point ammunition, which will not do any of that. These guys just missed, period.

The only good thing here is that we see, once again, just how terrible these guys shoot.

 

[Mani]

Cops use hollow point ammunition, which will not do any of that. These guys just missed, period.

The only good thing here is that we see, once again, just how terrible these guys shoot.

Yes. Another poster mentioned how they had bullet holes in the nearby neighbors windows. I guess when you stand in front of a cop with your arms at your sides you always can close your eyes and count on the cops missing half their shots from 10 feet away. You might just live if they allow the ambulance to get to you.

 

[coastie]

Well I went through police training - passed top of the class too- and we were taught that you only use deadly force when you feared for your life. (Or someone else's life)

So my question was kind of back handed.. You can't shoot because you feel unsafe.

So maybe you are dealing with a man with a knife- potentially unsafe, no doubt. It is murder to kill him because you are feeling too scared. There are less lethal options available, but these were ignored.

I guess the cops were of the mindset that "you don't bring a knife to a gunfight" which is true- but it never had to be a "fight".

You know, your comment made me wonder...


They always say "all policies and procedures were followed" at the end of these incidents, right? Well, I too have had LE training. LOTS of it. I can't for the life me remember any policy I ever worked under that would ever justify shit like this, and we were in fact filled with the fear of God of what would happen if you did shoot someone unjustifiably...

I'm sure if a family member asked to see said procedures and policies, they would be told they are "For Official Use Only", and the public can't see them. How convenient.

 

[EBounding]

What would happen to me, a mundane citizen, if I simply drew my gun on a guy who got up from a swivel chair?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Thank God those brave officers were unhurt.



Stories like this, make me, quite literally, tear up in rage and frustration, that my puny efforts cannot reach enough people, cannot wake up enough people, fast enough.

I will pray for your son, mother, and for you.

Luckily, this time, these people will have a second chance as the son, at least, is still alive. Also, they are probably going to get some money from a lawsuit.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Horrible tragic incident. But this videos is one of the best I've e ver seen in terms of showing the blatant lies the police tell and the absolutely no hesitation these cops have in murdering someone.


It's black and white. No grey area. Two killers got out of their vehicle weapons drawn. A guy started scooting back until he heard some commands. He stood up in a very NON threAtening manner, arms at his side completely still. Even his stance was nonaggressive. Then he was murdered in cold blood.

Imagine how many times we've read about someone being killed while the police said the person was aggressively coming at them. How many times was a guy standing still arms at his side and shot cold dead???

Every time you read an article about someone being shot and the officer tries to create some doubt about he aggressive manner the guy came toward them, remember this video of this man, standing perfectly still with his arms at his side being murdered.

I think the guy survived.

 

[fr33]

Video at the link. File another one under "Never call the cops".

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/loca...ooting-man-standing-with-arms-at-his-side.ece

The title on the news story on this link has changed to: "Dallas chief drops charge against Rylie man shot by officer"

It was "Video Shows Dallas Officer Shooting Man With Arms at His Side".

I guess that's probably all we'll get out of the Dallas PD. They'll buckle up and prepare to settle out of court on the lawsuit. I hope past victims of this officer come forward with lawsuits too.

 

[SeanTX]

The title on the news story on this link has changed to: "Dallas chief drops charge against Rylie man shot by officer"

Wasn't the charge against the victim "assault on a public servant"?

I think it was, if so, that just shows what a joke the whole JustUs system is ; a cop can wrongfully shoot you (attempted murder), and then YOU the victim are charged with "assaulting" that "public servant" , when all you did was look at him as he opened fire on you. They probably should have thrown in a "resisting arrest" charge too.

 

[mad cow]

Wasn't the charge against the victim "assault on a public servant"?

I think it was, if so, that just shows what a joke the whole JustUs system is ; a cop can wrongfully shoot you (attempted murder), and then YOU the victim are charged with "assaulting" that "public servant" , when all you did was look at him as he opened fire on you. They probably should have thrown in a "resisting arrest" charge too.

Actually,as the video clearly shows,the charge was "aggravated assault on a public servant".

For simple "assault on a public servant".he would have had to have been on his knees with his hands in the air.

 

[Occam's Banana]

But a neighbor’s video surveillance camera recording obtained by WFAA-TV (Channel 8) shows something different: It shows Bennett, who was seated in a chair, initially rolling back from officers as they advance on him. Then Bennett stands up but does not move. His hands remain at his side and he is standing still when officer Cardan opens fire on him.

Well, then. I guess Bennett must have been looking at them with a dehumanizing stare ...

 

[Mani]

I think the guy survived.

Yup. I got emotional When i saw the guy drop like a dead pile of rocks and went on a rant. :o. Later other posters clarified.

 

[SeanTX]

The cop who fired the shot has been fired and charged with aggravated assault.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23776757/dallas-officer-who-shot-ill-man-to-face-hearing

 

[Christian Liberty]

Cops are "general politics".

It's where the rubber meets the road.

Where political decisions are enforced.

If it were not for cops, we could ignore the rantings and authoritarian tendencies of our Dear Leaders.

The neg rep was uncalled for.

Yep.

Stories like this, make me, quite literally, tear up in rage and frustration, that my puny efforts cannot reach enough people, cannot wake up enough people, fast enough.

I will pray for your son, mother, and for you.

Yep.

I just realized he wasn't dead. So that's something to thank God for.

 

[EBounding]

The cop who fired the shot has been fired and charged with aggravated assault.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23776757/dallas-officer-who-shot-ill-man-to-face-hearing

The chief said Watson has admitted to remembering things out of order or that didn't happen, possibly because of the stress of the situation.

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