[Video] Justin Amash town hall 5/28/19

[loveshiscountry]

its really a suicide pill for the democrats, if they persue impeachment they lose in 2020 presidential elections and if they don't they lose their seats. This could be a draining of the swamp unless they want to sacrifice the 2020 election. This is checkmate.

You very well may be right. I believe this is what Pelosi is thinking too. It was a hail mary from the getgo. I wasn't thinking of what would happen down the line, although I didn't think much would come of the investigation. Wouldn't surprise me if Trump figured it out. Like him or not, he's good about using things like this to his advantage.

 

[ATruepatriot]

its really a suicide pill for the democrats, if they persue impeachment they lose in 2020 presidential elections and if they don't they lose their seats. This could be a draining of the swamp unless they want to sacrifice the 2020 election. This is checkmate.

It's stupid to continue anyways. The Senate already said it's basically dead in the water when it gets to them. It's just a show of ignorance at this point, they are just making fools of themselves to anyone who has two brain cells to rub together.

 

[nikcers]

You very well may be right. I believe this is what Pelosi is thinking too. It was a hail mary from the getgo. I wasn't thinking of what would happen down the line, although I didn't think much would come of the investigation. Wouldn't surprise me if Trump figured it out. Like him or not, he's good about using things like this to his advantage.

yeah I think JA is just trying to push them off the edge by encouraging it though, JA is smart.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Isn't this about how Trump should not have used his legal authority to prevented the investigation? I believe I have worded that correctly. He has the legal authority to stop certain things. It was about him so he shouldn't use his power to stop it?

The entire investigation in search of a crime was a sham from the getgo. It was obvious to me that people were trying to get any dirt on him that they could.

He had every right to stop it.

 

[loveshiscountry]

He had every right to stop it.

Agreed. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Agreed. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

In this case he should have and he can't be charged with obstructing justice.

 

[loveshiscountry]

In this case he should have and he can't be charged with obstructing justice.

Doesn't have anything to do with my posts. It's not about what he can or can't be charged with in my posts.

 

[Todd]

Conservatives are not perfect but unlike the left they don't believe in ever larger big government, we can convert many of them but the left is hopeless.

Look. I'm an old man and don't believe your young man, naive fairy tale anymore about left vs right. I grew up listening to Reagan beat the drums of small government tripe and then run up the first mega deficit. I then was proud to supporter of the Buchanan brigade because I really believed "conservatives" wanted to change from big government in the 90's to small government. And then in my absolute stupidity, I voted for W. Bush not once, but twice. Then I learned my lesson. I'm too young to believe that there is a significant number of people left who even resemble true small government conservatism

You haven't nor will you convert shit. I watched it for front and center for the last 10 years and this movement had the single best chance in my lifetime to try to buck the system and it didn't happen.

Here's the truth. Most people you call Conservative are just Progressive lite.

THE default position for the majority of "Conservatives" and the left is one of complete capitulation on ever ending Government growth.

The new measure of left vs right in this country is

1. How much deficit spending your willing to tolerate.
2. Unlimited state growth by degree
3. Social welfare of your personal political preferences. (where you just bad mouth the other guys projects exp. Welfare vs warfare)

Those are new axioms in governing philosophy of the majority of politicians right and left. Get used to it.

You know what I think. I think your just a run of the mill "Republican" and Trump supporter who decided after the election to just show up and test the waters at old "Liberty Forest". You know......See if everyone was ripe for MAGA! I don't for one second believe you have any belief system beyond Trumpism...else you would have a better grasp of what the stakes were here around 2008 to 12 time frame. You slip up way too much and then have the audacity to think some of us are stupid not to see it. There are few that see right through it.

 

[PAF]

Look. I'm an old man and don't believe your young man, naive fairy tale anymore about left vs right. I grew up listening to Reagan beat the drums of small government tripe and then run up the first mega deficit. I then was proud to supporter of the Buchanan brigade because I really believed "conservatives" wanted to change from big government in the 90's to small government. And then in my absolute stupidity, I voted for W. Bush not once, but twice. Then I learned my lesson. I'm too young to believe that there is a significant number of people left who even resemble true small government conservatism

You haven't nor will you convert $#@!. I watched it for front and center for the last 10 years and this movement had the single best chance in my lifetime to try to buck the system and it didn't happen.

Here's the truth. Most people you call Conservative are just Progressive lite.

THE default position for the majority of "Conservatives" and the left is one of complete capitulation on ever ending Government growth.

The new measure of left vs right in this country is

1. How much deficit spending your willing to tolerate.
2. Unlimited state growth by degree
3. Social welfare of your personal political preferences. (where you just bad mouth the other guys projects exp. Welfare vs warfare)

Those are new axioms in governing philosophy of the majority of politicians right and left. Get used to it.

You know what I think. I think your just a run of the mill "Republican" and Trump supporter who decided after the election to just show up and test the waters at old "Liberty Forest". You know......See if everyone was ripe for MAGA! I don't for one second believe you have any belief system beyond Trumpism...else you would have a better grasp of what the stakes were here around 2008 to 12 time frame. You slip up way too much and then have the audacity to think some of us are stupid not to see it. There are few that see right through it.

DAAAAMMMMNNN - It's like, I could have written that!

++++++ REP

We seriously need to help educate our offspring and those around us about the Declaration, NAP, and Contract Rights.


For parents and grandparents here, how about a simple lemonade stand, a project in the garage, to teach the little ones about what it would be like to have strangers come in and meddle in their business venture. This I have done and it really makes sense to them! Such as, something costs $0.50 to make. An outsider who has not contributed to the venture comes into the garage and tries to coerce charging $0.45 as a working wage. The kid is smart enough to know that making a nickel on his/her own product is not advantageous, and there ya go!

It really does come right down to education, and how much time one is willing to spend teaching the kids. THIS they do NOT teach at indoctrination camps!

 

[Swordsmyth]

Look. I'm an old man and don't believe your young man, naive fairy tale anymore about left vs right. I grew up listening to Reagan beat the drums of small government tripe and then run up the first mega deficit. I then was proud to supporter of the Buchanan brigade because I really believed "conservatives" wanted to change from big government in the 90's to small government. And then in my absolute stupidity, I voted for W. Bush not once, but twice. Then I learned my lesson. I'm too young to believe that there is a significant number of people left who even resemble true small government conservatism

You haven't nor will you convert $#@!. I watched it for front and center for the last 10 years and this movement had the single best chance in my lifetime to try to buck the system and it didn't happen.

Here's the truth. Most people you call Conservative are just Progressive lite.

THE default position for the majority of "Conservatives" and the left is one of complete capitulation on ever ending Government growth.

The new measure of left vs right in this country is

1. How much deficit spending your willing to tolerate.
2. Unlimited state growth by degree
3. Social welfare of your personal political preferences. (where you just bad mouth the other guys projects exp. Welfare vs warfare)

Those are new axioms in governing philosophy of the majority of politicians right and left. Get used to it.

You know what I think. I think your just a run of the mill "Republican" and Trump supporter who decided after the election to just show up and test the waters at old "Liberty Forest". You know......See if everyone was ripe for MAGA! I don't for one second believe you have any belief system beyond Trumpism...else you would have a better grasp of what the stakes were here around 2008 to 12 time frame. You slip up way too much and then have the audacity to think some of us are stupid not to see it. There are few that see right through it.

If your beliefs were correct then what advantage is there in Amash running farther to the left?
You can either give up entirely or attempt to work with conservatives and convert them to be more small government.

I am a Conservertarian and I have never attempted to hide it, I was anti-Trump before he exceeded my expectations and I was part of the Ron Paul movement since before he ran in '08.

 

[nikcers]

If your beliefs were correct then what advantage is there in Amash running farther to the left?
You can either give up entirely or attempt to work with conservatives and convert them to be more small government.

I am a Conservertarian and I have never attempted to hide it, I was anti-Trump before he exceeded my expectations and I was part of the Ron Paul movement since before he ran in '08.

Why is allying with the people who don't think you are innocent until proven guilty such a bad idea? Its not like they weaponized the IRS against us.

 

[Ender]

Look. I'm an old man and don't believe your young man, naive fairy tale anymore about left vs right. I grew up listening to Reagan beat the drums of small government tripe and then run up the first mega deficit. I then was proud to supporter of the Buchanan brigade because I really believed "conservatives" wanted to change from big government in the 90's to small government. And then in my absolute stupidity, I voted for W. Bush not once, but twice. Then I learned my lesson. I'm too young to believe that there is a significant number of people left who even resemble true small government conservatism

You haven't nor will you convert $#@!. I watched it for front and center for the last 10 years and this movement had the single best chance in my lifetime to try to buck the system and it didn't happen.

Here's the truth. Most people you call Conservative are just Progressive lite.

THE default position for the majority of "Conservatives" and the left is one of complete capitulation on ever ending Government growth.

The new measure of left vs right in this country is

1. How much deficit spending your willing to tolerate.
2. Unlimited state growth by degree
3. Social welfare of your personal political preferences. (where you just bad mouth the other guys projects exp. Welfare vs warfare)

Those are new axioms in governing philosophy of the majority of politicians right and left. Get used to it.

You know what I think. I think your just a run of the mill "Republican" and Trump supporter who decided after the election to just show up and test the waters at old "Liberty Forest". You know......See if everyone was ripe for MAGA! I don't for one second believe you have any belief system beyond Trumpism...else you would have a better grasp of what the stakes were here around 2008 to 12 time frame. You slip up way too much and then have the audacity to think some of us are stupid not to see it. There are few that see right through it.

WHOA, DUDE!

I think this just became my favorite post for the past 3 years!!!

 

[loveshiscountry]

If your beliefs were correct then what advantage is there in Amash running farther to the left?
You can either give up entirely or attempt to work with conservatives and convert them to be more small government.

I am a Conservertarian and I have never attempted to hide it, I was anti-Trump before he exceeded my expectations and I was part of the Ron Paul movement since before he ran in '08.

The expectations must have been low. Sure he's done some decent things but they've mostly been the small stuff. Talking with Russia and North Korea is good. Supreme Court appointees were decent. Could have been worse.

Lower spending, non intervention, audit the Fed. He's done none of these. You've lost your way.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The expectations must have been low. Sure he's done some decent things but they've mostly been the small stuff. Talking with Russia and North Korea is good. Supreme Court appointees were decent. Could have been worse.

Lower spending, non intervention, audit the Fed. He's done none of these. You've lost your way.

My expectations were very low and I am open to any better option that comes along but he has done more good things than you list and he has kept the intervention below what the rest of DC wants.

 

[Todd]

If your beliefs were correct then what advantage is there in Amash running farther to the left?
You can either give up entirely or attempt to work with conservatives and convert them to be more small government.

I am a Conservertarian and I have never attempted to hide it, I was anti-Trump before he exceeded my expectations and I was part of the Ron Paul movement since before he ran in '08.

Well enjoy spinning your wheels. I will NEVER tell anyone not to try, I just don't believe it works at the Federal or even party organized political level anymore. And I will always support grassroots efforts to change things. That's why I came here.

But there is more to it than your false dichotomy. Just because I don't believe it's Either/Or doesn't make me one who "Gives Up". I'm not "working" with any "Conservatives" for small government. I'm going to work with EVERY persuasion to dialogue on what's in our own best interests as citizens.

Conservatarian sounds confused, just like I thought. It's a bunch of garbage. Not much of a guiding philosophy I'd say. Not one of any foundation aspect anyhow.

 

[PAF]

My expectations were very low and I am open to any better option that comes along but he has done more good things than you list and he has kept the intervention below what the rest of DC wants.

Your employer throws you and the base little bones. His restrictionism, failure to address root problems, never talking to his constituents about underlying cause/effect, will do nothing to advance liberty and fiscal responsibility. Everything that he does results in bigger government "solutions".

This is RPF. Those of us in the know are not buying what you are selling. In fact, you can't give it away.

As [MENTION=13610]loveshiscountry[/MENTION] correctly stated: "Lower spending, non intervention, audit the Fed. He's done none of these." And he never will.

 

[nikcers]

Your employer throws you and the base little bones. His restrictionism, failure to address root problems, never talking to his constituents about underlying cause/effect, will do nothing to advance liberty and fiscal responsibility. Everything that he does results in bigger government "solutions".

This is RPF. Those of us in the know are not buying what you are selling. In fact, you can't give it away.

As [MENTION=13610]loveshiscountry[/MENTION] correctly stated: "Lower spending, non intervention, audit the Fed. He's done none of these." And he never will.

Rand seems to have good rapport with Trump what would you say about that? I think Trump has a chance to really advance civil liberties like speech and privacy but not if we get rid of him, not if we help his opposition tear him down.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Why is allying with the people who don't think you are innocent until proven guilty such a bad idea?

You mean people who want to take your gun first and do due process later?

 

[nikcers]

You mean people who want to take your gun first and do due process later?

like the democrats that Amash is siding with? Are you fucking kidding me.

 

[PAF]

I think Trump has a chance to really advance civil liberties like speech and privacy

I like this response:

You mean people who want to take your gun first and do due process later?

And also that pathetic 6 year extension of 702 signed January 2018 - by trump himself.