[Video] Justin Amash town hall 5/28/19

[Swordsmyth]

Attending public school is not a right.

It is as long as it exists and our taxes pay for them.

 

[PAF]

Conservatives are not perfect but unlike the left they don't believe in ever larger big government, we can convert many of them but the left is hopeless.

What kind of dope are you on?

Pathetic Omnibus, “emergency” spending bill, ban bump stocks and raise age to 21, USMCA signing ceremony, support government eminent domain, fine/report private businesses and companies to the Fed... here, this is quicker:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477303-Donald-Trump-On-The-Record

“Conservatives” today are so far to the left it makes me wanna puke. The only conversion taking place is making them more communist, just like you.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The conservatives who will not listen to his message just proves they're no more better than the left when it comes to their idolatry.

No, Justin is lying and participating in a treasonous coup against the best President they have had in generations.
It's no wonder they are souring on anything else he has to say.
Conservatives are close enough ideologically that we might convert them but the left that Amash has decided to sell out to will never give up big government as their god, as soon as he has been used up in the fight against Trump they will demonize him.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What kind of dope are you on?

Pathetic Omnibus, “emergency” spending bill, ban bump stocks and raise age to 21, USMCA signing ceremony, support government eminent domain, fine/report private businesses and companies to the Fed... here, this is quicker:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477303-Donald-Trump-On-The-Record

“Conservatives” today are so far to the left it makes me wanna puke. The only conversion taking place is making them more communist, just like you.

The only argument you could make is that the entire world is hopeless and we should just give up.

Conservatives are the closest to us and our best hope for education, everyone else is completely assimilated into the cult of government.

 

[PAF]

Justin seems to think Trump is a dictator.

Trump can't just get rid of the DoE by himself.

Justin never said he could. What Justin said was “he could make a move to do so”.

So, where’s the fire-side?

 

[ATruepatriot]

Attending public school is not a right.

I'm going to agree with you here man. It's not a right, it is a punishment. lol

 

[Swordsmyth]

He talks about this near the end of the townhall when a Trump supporter asked a similar question. Basically his answer is that Trump is just using that as an excuse since he doesn't actually want to reform FISA; Trump threatened to veto Amash's amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...on-fisa/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cf03c3e6c70d

The townhall is really worth the time to listen.

That is one of the worst answers he gives, the fact that Trump may or may not have wanted to reform FISA is no excuse to support its fraudulent weaponization.

 

[PAF]

The only argument you could make is that the entire world is hopeless and we should just give up.

I do not give up. I stand principled and do what I can. That doesn't include slashing Justin’s throat.

Conservatives are the closest to us and our best hope for education, everyone else is completely assimilated into the cult of government.

They are closest to you, not me. Refer to post #62, last paragraph.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Justin never said he could. What Justin said was “he could make a move to do so”.

So, where’s the fire-side?

Trump should waste his time getting nothing done by pushing for things that Congress will not allow instead of actually accomplishing things within his power or that Congress will agree to?

That sounds like typical Losertarian philosophy that has held back the movement for generations.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I do not give up. I stand principled and do what I can. That does include slashing Justin’s throat.

It includes getting nothing done because you won't work with anyone and you go out of your way to make enemies out of the people who might work with you on some things.

They are closest to you, not me. Refer to post #62, last paragraph.

Who is closer to you?
Are you admitting to being a crypto-communist?

 

[Swordsmyth]

The investigation was about Russian interference in our election, which indisputably resulted in the indictment of several Russians.

On garbage indictments that even if they were true had nothing to do with Trump.

He never said Trump was successful. Just the opposite, actually, due to the refusal of Trump's underlings to participate.

He implied he was, he said that prosecuting obstruction was most important when the underlying crime couldn't be proven because of the obstruction.

 

[PAF]

Trump should waste his time getting nothing done by pushing for things that Congress will not allow instead of actually accomplishing things within his power or that Congress will agree to?

That sounds like typical Losertarian philosophy that has held back the movement for generations.

Let’s see: he talked of banning bump stocks, raise the age to 21, and all that jazz, even though he does not have the power to do so. Yet states took his lead.

But publicly talking about ending the FedDeptEd is a waste of time, because said states may follow his lead (via 10th A)?

Good one lol

 

[PAF]

It includes getting nothing done because you won't work with anyone and you go out of your way to make enemies out of the people who might work with you on some things.



Who is closer to you?
Are you admitting to being a crypto-communist?

Oh, I don’t know... for example, we seemed to have worked local to get rid of the red light cameras.

What have YOU done that is actually pro-liberty?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Let’s see: he talked of banning bump stocks, raise the age to 21, and all that jazz, even though he does not have the power to do so. Yet states took his lead.

But publicly talking about ending the FedDeptEd is a waste of time, because said states may follow his lead (via 10th A)?

Good one lol

They will not, if something increases government it will get traction, if something reduces government it will not.

We have a lot of work to do educating the public and Trump has much more important things to do while he is in office.
In spite of all our efforts at education we won't turn things around until we actually get results and getting those results is Trump's job as POTUS.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, I don’t know... for example, we seemed to have worked local to get rid of the red light cameras.

A truly earth shattering accomplishment, that aught to get us to minarchy or even anarchy within a decade if you keep it up at that pace.

It is a good thing you did but it barely scratches the surface of tyranny and it is easy to get even the most hardened of statists to object to being milked for money personally by red light cameras.

What have YOU done that is actually pro-liberty?

Plenty.

Now why don't you tell me who is closer to you ideologically than conservatives?

The answer is: NOBODY
Running to the left will only set back our efforts to reduce government in this country.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Seems like he's to the right of the GOP

Not about Russigate and that is what we are discussing.

 

[dannno]

The investigation was about Russian interference in our election, which indisputably resulted in the indictment of several Russians.

Now wait a minute, just because there was an indictment doesn't mean they could have been convicted. I don't even think there was ever a plan to prosecute them. They were indicted knowing full well they would never be prosecuted, which means they could have been, and likely were very sloppy indictments.

Facebook ads taken about by Russia show they played both sides about equally, but spent what, less than $100k?? There is no proof they were in the bag for Trump, although I don't doubt there may have been a preference.. but the fact is they didn't do much. Seth Rich did way more than the Russians ever did, and he worked for the DNC.

ZERO people from the Trump campaign were found to have colluded with Russia after three years of the left screaming their heads off about Trump/Russia collusion. That is not just Trump that was exonerated, it was his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN STAFF!!

You really have to look at this from Trump's angle. They committed crimes and illegally obtained FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. We've been discussing this here for years. Then they used those warrants to try and not only look for but also entrap Trump campaign members into committing crimes. They sent in agents to spy on the campaign.

Then after all that, they had NOTHING.. yet they kept going after him for several years, investigating people close to him and ruining their lives. In the end, they found nothing in regards to Trump and Russia collusion. They also didn't even get the DNC hack right.

The whole thing was obviously and clearly a sham. I really don't know how you could possibly come to any other conclusion.

Knowing the investigation was a complete sham, and was totally politically motivated, Trump actually aided Justice - not obstructed - AIDED justice by doing things that are within his power to help put an end to that nonsense, illegal, waste of money investigation.

Who obstructed justice? The left. Mueller. They wasted so much time on a sham investigation when REAL crimes, REAL spying, REAL abuse of the political system for political purposes had taken place. THAT is obstructing justice. Trump was AIDING justice by trying to put an end to the madness so the real crimes could be investigated.

I really don't know how a logical person could see it any other way.

 

[loveshiscountry]

No, Justin is lying and participating in a treasonous coup against the best President they have had in generations.
It's no wonder they are souring on anything else he has to say.
Conservatives are close enough ideologically that we might convert them but the left that Amash has decided to sell out to will never give up big government as their god, as soon as he has been used up in the fight against Trump they will demonize him.

The best? Least offensive is a better way to put it. Increasing spending and keeping us involved in other nations civil wars. But he doesn't take crap from anyone, so that's good? Calling Amash a sellout is silly drama.

 

[loveshiscountry]

Now wait a minute, just because there was an indictment doesn't mean they could have been convicted. I don't even think there was ever a plan to prosecute them. They were indicted knowing full well they would never be prosecuted, which means they could have been, and likely were very sloppy indictments.

Facebook ads taken about by Russia show they played both sides about equally, but spent what, less than $100k?? There is no proof they were in the bag for Trump, although I don't doubt there may have been a preference.. but the fact is they didn't do much. Seth Rich did way more than the Russians ever did, and he worked for the DNC.

ZERO people from the Trump campaign were found to have colluded with Russia after three years of the left screaming their heads off about Trump/Russia collusion. That is not just Trump that was exonerated, it was his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN STAFF!!

You really have to look at this from Trump's angle. They committed crimes and illegally obtained FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. We've been discussing this here for years. Then they used those warrants to try and not only look for but also entrap Trump campaign members into committing crimes. They sent in agents to spy on the campaign.

Then after all that, they had NOTHING.. yet they kept going after him for several years, investigating people close to him and ruining their lives. In the end, they found nothing in regards to Trump and Russia collusion. They also didn't even get the DNC hack right.

The whole thing was obviously and clearly a sham. I really don't know how you could possibly come to any other conclusion.

Knowing the investigation was a complete sham, and was totally politically motivated, Trump actually aided Justice - not obstructed - AIDED justice by doing things that are within his power to help put an end to that nonsense, illegal, waste of money investigation.

Who obstructed justice? The left. Mueller. They wasted so much time on a sham investigation when REAL crimes, REAL spying, REAL abuse of the political system for political purposes had taken place. THAT is obstructing justice. Trump was AIDING justice by trying to put an end to the madness so the real crimes could be investigated.

I really don't know how a logical person could see it any other way.

Isn't this about how Trump should not have used his legal authority to prevented the investigation? I believe I have worded that correctly. He has the legal authority to stop certain things. It was about him so he shouldn't use his power to stop it?

The entire investigation in search of a crime was a sham from the getgo. It was obvious to me that people were trying to get any dirt on him that they could.

 

[nikcers]

The best? Least offensive is a better way to put it. Increasing spending and keeping us involved in other nations civil wars. But he doesn't take crap from anyone, so that's good? Calling Amash a sellout is silly drama.

its really a suicide pill for the democrats, if they persue impeachment they lose in 2020 presidential elections and if they don't they lose their seats. This could be a draining of the swamp unless they want to sacrifice the 2020 election. This is checkmate.