[Video] Doug Wead speaks about Rand Paul 2016
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Actually the second half peaked my interest. It was Isogenics (sounded similar to amway) and Israel talked about how he lost weight on their protein shake and also Doug Wead and Israel are now involved somehow and encouraging people in the Liberty Movement to sign up. All you entrepenuers should take a listen. It has peaked my interest. Doug researched the company and decided it was a noble company and sounds like he wants the Liberty Movement to become invovlved. Hard to explain but I'm going to research their products. I'm no salesman but this sounds very interesting for many reasons.
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Could be something there. I was thinking about similar things lately. I buy a lot of all natural/organic makeup and beauty products. There are a number of small companies I like. Many of them are political about it though.... Which I can understand given the customer base that tends to look for "organic" and "non GMO" and such. These days I make a lot of my own stuff at home, as a hobby, but given the choice and a chance to support more pro liberty companies too, I would, for sure.
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http://www.isagenix.com/ww/en/ppc_products.dhtml?gclid=CM-7gefO0bMCFQKRPAodpH4AiQ#
he claims to have lost all the weight in 2 weeks. that is impressive.
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Unlike most of you the second half really put a sour taste in my mouth. This could backfire on the liberty movement.
Most people that get into multi level marketing fail almost immediately. It takes a certain type of ambitious salesman to really be successful in this industry and those are the people who know the proper timing of jumping to new prospective. Notice how they are already saying how experienced MLM experts are jumping into isogenics already, they want to get in early so people work for them and they make all the money.
I can see how Doug wants to get liberty people involved in the early stages and then go public and have people work under the liberty people.
All I can say is good luck to the liberty people getting involved but MLM is not for everybody.
Most people that get into multi level marketing fail almost immediately. It takes a certain type of ambitious salesman to really be successful in this industry and those are the people who know the proper timing of jumping to new prospective. Notice how they are already saying how experienced MLM experts are jumping into isogenics already, they want to get in early so people work for them and they make all the money.
I can see how Doug wants to get liberty people involved in the early stages and then go public and have people work under the liberty people.
All I can say is good luck to the liberty people getting involved but MLM is not for everybody.
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He knew people were more likely to watch it that way.
Well, I don't know anything about this particular company. I've known people who sell Mary Kay and Avon products (which are the same basic type of scheme) to make some extra money in between jobs...what you make of it really depends how much effort you put into it. It's not something I would personally rely on as a primary or steady source of income. Though I suppose some people who are very ambitious might.
But I agree, would have been better had he kept it separate, since it really doesn't have anything to do with Rand. Though I should add, I don't have a problem with Doug or whoever else advertising and selling their stuff.
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On the plus side, the whey protein comes from pasture raised cows so it is a very good source of protein. I checked out the website, the products seem pretty expensive..
MLM is ok, just like everything it is highly dependent on the quality and value of the products being sold. If they are of low value, then you have to really push to sell them. If they are of good value, then people don't need to be pushed hard to signup and continue buying the products.
The only thing I'd be concerned about is if they are not high value, even though they seem to be high quality, then the pushiness aspect could turn people away from not just the product but the liberty movement.. But I have a feeling that these products will not inundate the movement unless they are of high value, so I'm not especially concerned. But it is something to watch.
MLM is ok, just like everything it is highly dependent on the quality and value of the products being sold. If they are of low value, then you have to really push to sell them. If they are of good value, then people don't need to be pushed hard to signup and continue buying the products.
The only thing I'd be concerned about is if they are not high value, even though they seem to be high quality, then the pushiness aspect could turn people away from not just the product but the liberty movement.. But I have a feeling that these products will not inundate the movement unless they are of high value, so I'm not especially concerned. But it is something to watch.
My hunch is that his *intent* was not to combine them into one humongous video... I suspect the Israel made a goof when he uploaded it yesterday. There is a 12-minute segment on Rand 2016, which matches the title of the video, and the channel for that matter. But then, it is followed by an 18-minutes segment on Isagenix products, with the logo in the corner switching from RandPaulFlix over to saying IakaLife (which is Israel's particular "brand name" for his independent sub-business within the Isagenix hierarchy). However, note at the changeover-point how he instructs us to "click the link if you want" to hear about helping liberty with making money. That suggests there was not supposed to be a *splice* of the Isagenix stuff, but merely a link to it. If you visit his youtube.com/user/iakalife channel directly, you can see that he posted the 18-minute segment 11/13, as an independent video, the day before the 11/14 posting of the first randpaulflix upload. I'll email him about the mistake, and maybe he can unsplice them, or reupload.
I've been looking into this Isagenix project for a couple weeks now. Does anybody want to talk about the overall concept? My main interest is in the ethics. As you can see in the video, Doug did his best to "pre-clear" his idea with Ron Paul, and some of the younger members of the Paul clan have signed on to join the MLM subtree which Doug is building. Israel Anderson is one of the more techno-savvy folks, and has been uploading videos as he tries the products personally. But, he also runs ronpaulflix, and now runs randpaulflix. In the actual 30-minute video, there was a first segment on Rand, but then a second segment only tangentially related to Rand (see paragraph above -- methinks it was supposed to be a hyperlink not a video-splice). Is the video-splice offensive? If it was done as methinks intended, with just a hyperlink, would that have been offensive? What about the posting of either version (30min with splice or 12min with hyperlink) onto RonPaulForums aka the LibertyForest? Are people going to be unhappy, uncomfy, sour taste in the mouth, or something along those lines, if the videos from RandPaulFlix have an advertising-link at the end, and some banter about Israel's weight-loss? These aren't rhetorical questions. We could always check the terms of service of rpf, or talk to a moderator, but as you probably gathered from the video, Doug and Israel and the rest of the folks are planning on hitting this idea (and perhaps similar offshoots) pretty hard in the time we have between now and the 2014 midterm primaries, and then continue hitting it hard up through about mid-2015 when the next presidential cycle begins.
Therefore, I'm more interested in hearing what the folks who are hardcore enough to still be reading RonPaulForums ten days after the *end* of the general election have to say. This is capitalism, in the raw. Sometimes it can turn into spam, either by technical goof, or by overstepping the bounds. We in the liberty-movement support capitalism, and often like Ayn Rand (remember when Dagny complained that there weren't enough billboards when she and Hank were on their roadtrip?), but spam is a touchy subject. Capitalism, when seen in real life, as opposed to as an abstract campaign-slogan, can also be tricky. Finally, the entire Isagenix project is definitely in the beta-phase for the next three months or so -- Doug and his early partners spent six months evaluating companies, but only made the choice in the past few weeks.
As long as it's appropriate for the forums, if folks want to talk about the ethics of advertising, MLM businesses in general, Isagenix company-n-products in particular, or the idea of the liberty-movement getting involved with this particular product/company/MLM/advertising venture, ask away and I'll try to answer as best I can.
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yea, definitely a bad idea to try and benefit from a Liberty movement type interview. I get where they're coming from, and they are free to do this type of marketing, but they'll lose people if they continue this type of interview type marketing.
As mentioned in my more-verbose comment above, methinks it was a goof to splice the whole second-video-segment at the end, rather than just a link to it. Would you find it bad if they just had a link at the end "click here to learn more about this other stuff Israel is involved with" type of thing? Or do you think even a link is too much, and he ought to maintain separate channels, with the randpaulflix content not cross-connected to the Isagenix content, even by an end-of-politics-video hyperlink?
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did you buy his claim?
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It was actually kind of interesting to listen to, since it sparked my interest a little me being an ex-gym GM and selling supps as well. But at the same time, I just don't know that I like the linking or offering a click during/before/after a liberty video. Kinda infomercialish/cheepy/fakey. NOW, having a youtube type commercial which you at least have to watch like 5 seconds and have the option to click is reasonable imo, while that may seem odd at the same time that I think that way. Not sure if I made sense. Cross-connecting to a separate channel w/Israel and Weed would be A okay in my book. I don't know much about Israel, but love Doug, and again, they are free to do what they want. The main thing I see down the line if it were to get bigger is people use this cross-marketing as sleezy in many people's eyes, and trigger the, "oh they're AMWAY type guys," of mentality.
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Well, absolutely, if you managed a gym before, and spent some time in the supplements market, you would be a prime candidate for this industry-niche, and as a paulitician, you will prolly enjoy your coworkers, too. That's the point in the early stages In the mid-term to long-term, I have some ideas about where to take this beyond the one industry, but that is another story for another day.
As for the way to put the two facets of what Israel is working on together, what you're suggesting (correct me if I'm wrong) is that he ought to put his advert in the usual-spot-for-youtube-adverts, so that people (perhaps subconsciously) grok that what they're seeing is an advert, even though it might be the same two talking-heads they're going to be seeing in five seconds in the news-and-politics-of-liberty-video. That makes sense to me, even though I find the usual-youtube-advert-approach annoying, I can easily tune it out, and I *know* it is an advert, simply by the framing & timing. Similarly, if he were on teevee, you'd want to see the host say now for these messages, then fade-to-black of the show, then 30 seconds of advert, then the host (who may be the same as before ... and even during! the commercial break) says okay we're back. Even though it might be the same person in all three places, the standard-sequencing-and-framing-cues are what tell you which part is an advert and which part is not, eh?
Anyways, yes, I'm in the same boat as you -- freedom is good, capitalism is good, they ought to do what they wish. Doug Wead is the senior campaign advisor for ronPaul2012, and Israel Anderson was the guy that created the RonPaulFlix.com fansite, if that tells you something about him.
As for the way to put the two facets of what Israel is working on together, what you're suggesting (correct me if I'm wrong) is that he ought to put his advert in the usual-spot-for-youtube-adverts, so that people (perhaps subconsciously) grok that what they're seeing is an advert, even though it might be the same two talking-heads they're going to be seeing in five seconds in the news-and-politics-of-liberty-video. That makes sense to me, even though I find the usual-youtube-advert-approach annoying, I can easily tune it out, and I *know* it is an advert, simply by the framing & timing. Similarly, if he were on teevee, you'd want to see the host say now for these messages, then fade-to-black of the show, then 30 seconds of advert, then the host (who may be the same as before ... and even during! the commercial break) says okay we're back. Even though it might be the same person in all three places, the standard-sequencing-and-framing-cues are what tell you which part is an advert and which part is not, eh?
Anyways, yes, I'm in the same boat as you -- freedom is good, capitalism is good, they ought to do what they wish. Doug Wead is the senior campaign advisor for ronPaul2012, and Israel Anderson was the guy that created the RonPaulFlix.com fansite, if that tells you something about him.
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Yes, I think to have a typical youtube ad, with say Doug stating something about the product, "click here, or for info on this new...etc,etc, type of marketing. Nothing sublimal, just honest and straightforward. I find that the honest style marketing can just be as strong as the subliminal kind, and you'll find that if you're straight forward, you'll find that attrition remains lower than if you were to use tactics and subconciouis/subliminal marketing. I feel that subconcious style sales/marketing is outdated, and more and more are aware of that. That would have worked alot better 10-20 yrs ago, again, imo.
I'd emailed Doug 2 or 3 times during the campaign, and I'm guessing it was him that responded every time. Seems pretty genuine.
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