Vets have broken down barricades at Lincoln Memorial and are carrying them to the White House

I think this may just be one of the last straws. The people needed something generic and non-partisan to unite them. This was it. Everybody is getting fed up, but people have been so divided so long they needed something to remind them that above all they are Americans.
 
I disagree. I believe it's a symbol and a of our Nation and the People not the government. It's a pledge to our country not the government.
You can disagree if you want, but you're mistaken.

[h=1]The Pledge of Allegiance
A Short History[/h][h=3]by Dr. John W. Baer[/h][SIZE=+1]Copyright 1992 by Dr. John W. Baer[/SIZE]
http://oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm
Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.
The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.
In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'
His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]
Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas.He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.
Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.
What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:
It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...
The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?
Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...
If the Pledge's historical pattern repeats, its words will be modified during this decade. Below are two possible changes.
Some prolife advocates recite the following slightly revised Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.'
A few liberals recite a slightly revised version of Bellamy's original Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with equality,liberty and justice for all.'

Make special note of this:
And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches.

It's a fascist meme.
 
I disagree. I believe it's a symbol and a of our Nation and the People not the government. It's a pledge to our country not the government.

The flag is nothing but a perverted symbol of exceptionalism and militarism. Flags are most prevalent when the country is about to wage a war and they're mass-produced (like post-9/11) because Americans want to show "patriotism" by desecrating another nation—because we're supposedly always right and moral. It's a symbol of American conquest and nationalism.

Dousing a flag in gasoline, spitting on it, and watching it go up in flames is more liberating than anything it has ever stood for.
 
The flag is nothing but a perverted symbol of exceptionalism and militarism. Flags are most prevalent when the country is about to wage a war and they're mass-produced (like post-9/11) because Americans want to show "patriotism" by desecrating another nation—because we're supposedly always right and moral. It's a symbol of American conquest and nationalism.

Dousing a flag in gasoline, spitting on it, and watching it go up in flames is more liberating than anything it has ever stood for.
+rep :cool:
 
On topic:

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"You look around though and you see these barricades and you have to ask yourself is this any way that a commander in chief would show his respect, his gratitude to our military. This is a matter of shutdown priorities." -Sarah Palin

Thousands of people, accompanied by tractors with blaring horns, converged on the plaza and sang "God bless America"

If there is a God, why would He bless this country or those who fight unjust wars? If there is a God, I think He would look at individuals, not an entire entity with a history of tyranny and violence/nation-building.
 
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The flag is nothing but a perverted symbol of exceptionalism and militarism. Flags are most prevalent when the country is about to wage a war and they're mass-produced (like post-9/11) because Americans want to show "patriotism" by desecrating another nation—because we're supposedly always right and moral. It's a symbol of American conquest and nationalism.

Dousing a flag in gasoline, spitting on it, and watching it go up in flames is more liberating than anything it has ever stood for.

It is never too late to stop being an ass.
 
Maybe Ron Paul didn't go to this because he would think it was being "opportunistic"? Don't know. Seeing some of the comments about Palin and Cruz...
 
It's interesting to see tea partiers using the same rhetoric as OWS. Chanting "Shame on you!" etc.

It's not the same rhetoric. They're saying "Shame on you!" for different reasons. Rhetoric has to do with what they're actually saying, not just what they think of the people who work against them.
 
Tell that to Jose Guerena's family and the rest of the veterans that have been abused/killed by society's hired hit-men.


People that routinely recite the pledge of allegiance and feel the need to wear lapel pins or other patriotic gear are worshiping something besides god.

Yep. They're called false idols. Many Christians don't even realize what they're doing.
 
Young activists are rabble-rousers and, therefore, expendable. Old vets are revered.

Pretty much. The military worship is sickening. I honestly wouldn't have anything to do with this. I hate the government more than they do, ALL of it. Why would I protect ex-government thugs against the current ones? Do you think they have any real principled opposition to statism? The vast majority of them probably not And I'm not condemning minarchists or constitutionalists with that statement, I'm condemning the vast majority of America that proudly waves their flags, support their troops and the Republican Party.

So the barricades were broken doown at the Lincoln Memorial. Statists can now worship at their shrine. Am I supposed to give a crap?

Laurence Vance explains my thoughts:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/i-think-id-rather-sit-down/

Mind you, I am absolutely opposed to any police brutality against anyone. I find it absolutely repulsive, and you know that. But I want nothing to do with any kind of a movement that is based around "How dare they slight 'our vets' [Read: Hired ex-killers or supporters of the same] or 'How dare they prevent us from gazing on our shrines where we worship America' rather than a real opposition to government, or at least big oppressive government, as such.

Do you guys get what I'm trying to say here?
 
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