Very Serious Allegations Made Against 2012 Ron Paul Campaign Manager Jesse Benton

[Matt Collins]

Yeah, and she probably heard about it from this website. I swear, we are our own worst enemies.

I don't understand why this nonsense isn't in HT

 

[pcosmar]

I don't understand why this nonsense isn't in HT

Probably because it is in the news,,(Liberty Forest - News & Discussion-General Politics) and not some conspiracy theory.

And this kind of shit is why I could never and would never sign a Non Disclosure Agreement.
I would not be able to find out and keep my mouth shut about it.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

You mean the guy who was trashing Ron Paul's campaign publicly while it was at its height? That guy? You mean the guy who openly advocates anarchy?

Yeah, what a fabulous idea.

Tom didn't trash the campaign. I've gone over this on these forums multiple times with you. He gave debate suggestions for Ron, suggestions that were well received by many people on this very forum, even.

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/ron-paul-and-the-debate-some-friendly-suggestions/

 

[Matt Collins]

Tom didn't trash the campaign.

Actually he did.

 

[Matt Collins]

 

[fr33]

I don't understand why this nonsense isn't in HT

Dude it's in the news. That's why it's on the forum. The news articles came first. Are we supposed to stick our hand in the sand or close our eyes and say lalala?

IMO it just implicates the usual suspect. Haven't seen proof that Ron knew, just that he hires some idiots.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Actually he did.

Are you referring to the article he wrote criticizing Benton? If you are, that was after the convention (Ron's campaign was officially over) and every word of that article was awesome.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Justified because everyone else is doing it.

Kind of like the old "well, we can do it because we did it this way last time" gag that gets thrown around so much...as if people aren't wising up from the last hosing. Is a hoot to watch em scramble. And over nonsensical junk on top of that. Is irrelevant to change, really.

 

[Matt Collins]

Dude it's in the news. That's why it's on the forum. The news articles came first. Are we supposed to stick our hand in the sand or close our eyes and say lalala?

No, I didn't say anything about not discussing it, but I am saying it shouldn't be in the open forum where every single person and search engine in the world can view it (which also causes it to rank higher in Google)

 

[Matt Collins]

Are you referring to the article he wrote criticizing Benton? If you are, that was after the convention (Ron's campaign was officially over) and every word of that article was awesome.

No, I'm talking about a multitude of FB posts in the fall / summer of 2011. Many were quickly deleted though.

 

[cajuncocoa]

No, I didn't say anything about not discussing it, but I am saying it shouldn't be in the open forum where every single person and search engine in the world can view it (which also causes it to rank higher in Google)

I guess I don't see the problem. There is no more Ron Paul campaign, and Jesse isn't currently working for any Liberty candidates who have a subforum on this board. Let's hope it stays that way.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Tom didn't trash the campaign. I've gone over this on these forums multiple times with you. He gave debate suggestions for Ron, suggestions that were well received by many people on this very forum, even.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now. Yes, he did trash the campaign. Multiple times.

 

[Matt Collins]

I guess I don't see the problem. There is no more Ron Paul campaign, and Jesse isn't currently working for any Liberty candidates who have a subforum on this board. Let's hope it stays that way.

It's an obvious hit piece / hatchet job. Whether it's valid or not has no relevance on whether we should be increasing it's ranking by posting it in the open forum.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's pretty damning. Most of us knew Benton was a liar, but it's still pretty sad to see him calling the truth-teller crazy. That's the type of crap we're supposed to be working against.

There will be loyalists that will defend him no matter what, though. Once an ideologue, always an ideologue. Nixon had those people too.

And then there are those that prefer to get the facts before executing someone. There have always been those who prefer to rush to judgement without those facts though.

 

[LibertyEagle]

It's an obvious hit piece / hatchet job. Whether it's valid or not has no relevance on whether we should be increasing it's ranking.

Yes, Matt, but some hate Benton so much, that they don't care who or what they hurt, as long as they believe they are doing something to harm Benton.

 

[brandon]

Breaking the links makes it pretty much impossible to follow them on a smartphone fyi. pita. This I sounds like the typical politics of any high stakes election but you can be sure this isnt the last we here of this. Id bet money on national msm coverage of this in the lead up to 2016 caucuses.

 

[brandon]

I guess I don't see the problem. There is no more Ron Paul campaign, and Jesse isn't currently working for any Liberty candidates who have a subforum on this board. Let's hope it stays that way.

The problem will be when any of the iowa players involved with this publicly support rand in 2016.

 

[Matt Collins]

Yes, Matt, but some hate Benton so much, that they don't care who or what they hurt, as long as they believe they are doing something to harm Benton.

Yep it's sad to see people acting as irrational as those we ridiculed back in 2007/2008. I guess even the liberty movement is subject to the fallacies of humanity that we thought we were better than.

 

[cajuncocoa]

The problem will be when any of the iowa players involved with this publicly support rand in 2016.

Hopefully Rand can find some Iowa players with better ethical standards to support him.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Hopefully Rand can find some Iowa players with better ethical standards to support him.

The group on the ground in Iowa has spent at least 6 years accomplishing what they have and it hasn't been easy. If you think for one minute that all of the gains can be tossed out without devastating our chances in the 2016 election, you really have no clue.

But, then again, you WANT Rand to lose, don't you.