Very disturbing strategy being used against Ron Paul

[Valli6]

hmm

Is this the same David Seaman?

Dirty Little Secrets of Buzz: How to Attract Massive Attention for Your Business, Your Product, or Yourself (By David Seaman)

In Dirty Little Secrets of Buzz, veteran promotional stunt-planner David Seaman reveals a brand-new, counterintuitive approach to traditional marketing and PR. Find out how controversy, scandal-mongering, and social networking can turn your message into a viral sensation.

hxxp://xxx.amazon.com/Dirty-Little-Secrets-Buzz-Attention/dp/1402213379/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

update - looking at photos, it appears to be the same guy http://tinyurl.com/425xmvu

 

[dannno]

This is starting to make sense. I knew Ron Paul supporters wouldn't be stupid enough to email people with threats of violence. We need to infiltrate these Romney meetups and video record them talking about this strategy. We have to oust them.

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[NewRightLibertarian]

If people are going to be distracted by this nonsense, then there's no hope for them. Ron Paul's campaign hinges on the American people actually being proactive and researching the issues and candidates for themselves. Some scumbag with an anti-Ron Paul agenda talking about mythical hate mail from supposed Paul fans isn't going to distract anyone but the most gullible, suggestible idiots.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If people are going to be distracted by this nonsense, then there's no hope for them. Ron Paul's campaign hinges on the American people actually being proactive and researching the issues and candidates for themselves. Some scumbag with an anti-Ron Paul agenda talking about mythical hate mail from supposed Paul fans isn't going to distract anyone but the most gullible, suggestible idiots.

It will impact people.

If we can catch them plotting to do it, we need to.

 

[givemeliberty]

most gullible, suggestible idiots.

Whole lot of em out there! In fact...could they be >50%

 

[mport1]

This is starting to make sense. I knew Ron Paul supporters wouldn't be stupid enough to email people with threats of violence

I don't know about that. Some liberty lovers use very disturbing violent rhetoric. It's usually directed at the government, but I could see a very small number making these kinds of threats.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I don't know about that. Some liberty lovers use very disturbing violent rhetoric. It's usually directed at the government, but I could see a very small number making these kinds of threats.

Liberty Lovers does not always equal Ron Paul supporters.

If you support Ron Paul, you are for non-violent approaches to dismantling tyranny. We absolutely have to make that clear.

 

[mport1]

Liberty Lovers does not always equal Ron Paul supporters.

If you support Ron Paul, you are for non-violent approaches to dismantling tyranny. We absolutely have to make that clear.

I have seen some Ron Paul supporters call for violence against the government. I suspect these people are in the vast minority but they are out there. We need to distance ourselves from them and make sure we express that peace, not violence is the answer.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I have seen some Ron Paul supporters call for violence against the government. I suspect these people are in the vast minority but they are out there. We need to distance ourselves from them and make sure we express that peace, not violence is the answer.

Exactly. I hate to shun any Ron Paul supporter, but we have to in this case. There is a much larger section of Americans who'd be willing to join us in a non-violent venture but would be completely disgusted if we supported violent efforts. It's a trade off, and a good one.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

Two can play this game and since we own the interwebs we could literally own this guy. This liar believes in man made global warming, loves mandates, is pro choice, believes in gun control, anti-constitution, came up with Obomneycare, draft dodging, polygamist could easily be exposed. I say we start posting as Mittens supporters (threw up in my mouth) supporting the aforementioned positions. For example, on a conservative website post a pro-choice or gun control comment and pretend to be this fools supporters and we could even cite his quotes to support our position. I know this is low, but these fucks started it and are giving our movement a bad name. I am sorry but I am so pissed right now.

I posted "Love all of Obama's policies but are nervous around black people? Vote Romney 2012" all over the place. Don't think anyone believed I was actually a Mittens fan but still fun.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

stooping to their level cedes the moral high ground. Much better to write sourced stories about this for distribution. I know people here were posting screenshots of the cheating being planned at Mitt's forum for the NPR March Madness poll. Can someone find them? And James, will your friend go on record about this?

Winning big is better than #winning small...

 

[JamesButabi]

stooping to their level cedes the moral high ground. Much better to write sourced stories about this for distribution. I know people here were posting screenshots of the cheating being planned at Mitt's forum for the NPR March Madness poll. Can someone find them? And James, will your friend go on record about this?

Winning big is better than #winning small...

Working on it man. It isn't a close friend so much as an aquaintance whom we have mutual respect. He was originally not excited about telling me the group details as that was naturally the first question I asked.

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Maybe we should start infiltrating the Romney campaign.

 

[ChrisDixon]

I don't think its exclusive to Romney supporters, either. I hate to bring out the conspiracy theory in this conversation, but I remember reading an article about the government using multiple fraudulent social networking accounts for multiple purposes, including infiltration of targeted groups. One ever wonder if the Paul base would be targeted? I have seen some really insane things on the internet from people claiming to be Paul supporters...

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Working on it man. It isn't a close friend so much as an aquaintance whom we have mutual respect. He was originally not excited about telling me the group details as that was naturally the first question I asked.

If we have to use an anonymous statement we can make that work. I'll start digging and see if I can find the contact for the HucksArmy mod who used to send me heads up... maybe we can get a statement from that quarter.

For certain those screeshots from the Mitt forums will be golden. The only one I have from that episode is this

(and digging it up has given us the timeframe )

This development seems tailor made for the creativity and resources of RPFs...

Lots of things can be done if they've blatantly ceded the moral high ground; some we can talk of openly, some we probably shouldn't...

 

[no representation]

Unfortunately, the media will take the bait and think that the RP people are really like that. It goes back to the Hannity snowballs and other stuff from the '08 run which maybe didn't show us in the best light. Now the meme is out there so when Romney's people or whomever does this, it'll just be accepted as true. I think the thing to do is to 1) find out (if possible) who they are writing to and counter that with some nice words, letting them know about the plan from the other campaign to disparage RP people, and 2) always be sure to stick to the issues and don't get into this name calling - always stay positive and be a good example for the cause!!

 

[flightlesskiwi]

Is this the same David Seaman?

Dirty Little Secrets of Buzz: How to Attract Massive Attention for Your Business, Your Product, or Yourself (By David Seaman)

hxxp://xxx.amazon.com/Dirty-Little-Secrets-Buzz-Attention/dp/1402213379/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

update - looking at photos, it appears to be the same guy http://tinyurl.com/425xmvu

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this is an important post, ya'll

 

[Valli6]

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this is an important post, ya'll

Thanks. Here's what I posted about this guy on another thread. Not sure if this guy is trying to cause damage, or just trying to increase traffic by getting Ron Paul supporters to come by to defend themselves.

Judging by the photos - the guy who wrote the piece claiming to have been barraged with abusive emails from Ron Paul supporters, is the same guy that wrote a book about "how controversy, scandal-mongering, and social networking can turn your message into a viral sensation."
xxx..businessinsider.com/author/david-seaman
http://tinyurl.com/425xmvu

He's also behind a 2007 "Free Paris Hilton" movement
http://jezebel.com/274434/in-which-we-get-closure-with-self+promotional-whore-david-seaman

Appears to have supported Obama in '08
hxxp://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-227193

Essentially he's nobody, but he does believe in using sleazy tactics to manipulate people. He may be trying to smear Ron Paul, or he may just be trying to increase his hits by getting us to defend him.​

 

[acptulsa]

Edit: ^^ Perfect!


Well, they can do one of two things. They can bomb the inboxes of whomever, or they can spam public forums with this nonsense.

If they do the former, it's their word against ours that's what happened. For all anyone can know for sure, the pundit in question is lying about even receiving them. This doesn't mean we should accuse him or her, as we don't want to piss off all of the pundits out there. But we have two avenues of reasonable doubt--not only is there some question if it was really us, but if it happened at all. We can make it a non-issue.

If they do it publicly, well, call them out. 'I don't know if you're a real Ron Paul supporter or just someone who wants to make us look bad, but I know I'm a Ron Paul supporter and I (disagree because...) or (wish you'd stop being so rude as to...)

If we can kill every internet poll, then we can kill every forum with kindness and an obvious effort to 'police our own'. Will it make the movement look divided? No, it'll make the movement look like it has a wide cross section of both more and less responsible people.

And if some pundit complains about people claiming to be us doing this or that, we can post there or somewhere our defense--if it happened, it wasn't really us.

It will take diligence. But if the polls are any indication, we have that in spades.

 

[Sola_Fide]

An aquaintance of mine recently told me something I found very disturbing. He is a Romney supporter (I dont hold that against him), whom recently left their equivalent of our "meetup" group due to bad policies of slandering others and not actually promoting their own candidate. Apparently their arguement for slander was that Romney had such a huge lead they could merely keep others down to win the nomination and Ron Paul was target number 1.

He told me that not only was their meetup targeting Ron Paul but the malicious idea the meetup was using, was copied from another campaigns this year also being used against RP.

They are basically trying to demonize our base (even more than the media currently is) as violent, aggressive, rude, and ignorant. They are doing this by mass email and phone calls. Basically they will pick a random article from a google feed and then all lambast the author with hundreds of contacts with obscene rhetoric, slandering, and sometimes even violence.

Democrats have been doing this at our Tea Party meetings for a while. They pretend they are concerned citizens, but they start to say intentionally racist things and start to make scenes for no reason. We have had to hire security before because of the shennanigans.

Union/Dems would be very proud of Romneyites if this story is true.