Very damaging encounter on WKRN Nashville

[ButchHowdy]

I can only WISH I had the chutzpah of this woman. Back off folks - you got off on it and you KNOW it!

 

[Akus]

yes sadly, some of our fellow supporters are 9/11 truthers and nothing and noone will convince them other wise. Some of our fellow supporters are white supremacists, too.

what can we do about this?

really, just stress and re-stress that we need to act as a cohesive group or RP won't win. There's not much else

 

[richard1984]

here's the problem, she NEVER said ANYTHING about Ron Paul, I didnt see anything (except in the comments) on her blog about Ron Paul. The RP connection was made by an MSNBC article that noted the two people got into a car that had a RP bumper sticker on it.

So if I hop into a truck with a Bush - Cheney Bumper sticker on it, does that mean I must support them? Could I not be riding with a friend? Gah, its obvious misleading information.

Oh really? Ha! Damn. I didn't notice that. I found it unpleasant to listen to her (because I thought she was going to mention Ron Paul), so I didn't get very far. I just assumed she mentioned Ron Paul.... Those bastards...always trying to bash Dr. Paul. They're pathetic.

 

[Kuldebar]

We're not caving into anyone. We're recognizing the reality of the world and the fact that most people will see one example of a Ron Pau supporter screaming hysterically about 9/11 and that's all they need to see to become convinced. We may not base our political decisions on such things but the truth is that most people are. Hell, studies have shown that people favor the taller candidate regardless of the message. This is what we're dealing with here.



Well, the 9/11 Truth movement is not part of our campaign, so we're not contradicting anything. I dont want that associated with Dr. Paul's campaign and neither does he.

Individuals make the reality either by following the script without a challenge or by refusing to sit in the back of the bus.

Since "Truthers" are bad for the Campaign, who next pot smokers, satanists for liberty, John Birch Society members, reformed Communists for Ron Paul?

Do we need a commission perhaps?

A purity board set up to measure the sanctity of our philosophical roots?

Wouldn't just being inclusive and civil with each other be the best way to go? Maybe hold individuals accountable for their actions and not a whole group of people?

Perhaps by standing up to the bullies who wish to embarrass and denigrate us would be the best course of action. But as long as we believe their lies and labels we make them our own, and that weakness will be here for them to exploit.

Defuse it, embrace it, admit that diversity is great especially when no one is forcing it upon you.

 

[Wyurm]

2 People were asked to leave the event for disrupting it in an unneccesarily rude manner. The 2 individuals then got into a car with a Ron Paul sticker.

How the hell do you think screaming "9/11 was an inside job!!" is helping Ron Paul. Regardless of Ron Paul, how does that help the 9/11 Truth movement? It just made her look like a crazy person. People like that just want attention

are you blind? did you not see my post where I said they used the bumper sticker to tie her to the campaign? its the article that tried to stretch a connection thats at fault and you guys leap as usual to attack someone with beliefs you don't agree with.

She WAS NOT representing Ron Paul at all. A few weeks ago someone posted that Fred thompson was going to be speaking in Texas. Someone else offered $100 for anyone that would put a Ron Paul Bumper Sticker on his truck. So, if someone does that, will that make everyone think that whatever Fred says is representative of what Ron believes?

 

[spacebetween]

She could have made it VERY relevant by bringing in the Trans-Texas Corridor.

MANY Texans are against the TTC. It will tear down their homes and invade their property, and it it happening NOW.

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

She obviously submitted that video herself. Any way we can convince the Truthers to support a different candidate? They're taking Ron Paul down and they're never going to get their gd investigation that way.

 

[andrewgreve]

Some of our fellow supporters are white supremacists, too.

A kid I met a while ago who fits this category...

 

[Wyurm]

She obviously submitted that video herself. Any way we can convince the Truthers to support a different candidate? They're taking Ron Paul down and they're never going to get their gd investigation that way.

ok, I'll support another candidate, you win. You can tell my meetup group why.

 

[ButchHowdy]

Some of our supporters are Atheists. I'm not complaining. We'll just see how atheist they are on election night!

Butch, A Jesus lovin 911 Truther and damn proud of it !

 

[FreedomLover]

Individuals make the reality either by following the script without a challenge or by refusing to sit in the back of the bus.

Since "Truthers" are bad for the Campaign, who next pot smokers, satanists for liberty, John Birch Society members, reformed Communists for Ron Paul?

Do we need a commission perhaps?

A purity board set up to measure the sanctity of our philosophical roots?

Wouldn't just being inclusive and civil with each other be the best way to go? Maybe hold individuals accountable for their actions and not a whole group of people?

Perhaps by standing up to the bullies who wish to embarrass and denigrate us would be the best course of action. But as long as we believe their lies and labels we make them our own, and that weakness will be here for them to exploit.

Defuse it, embrace it, admit that diversity is great especially when no one is forcing it upon you.

I don't embrace people who piggyback on an important campaign with talk of secret overlords and lizard people, and then revel in their paranoia.

All people are welcome in my view, but abrasive confrontations are not the way to go.

"Truthers" are not bad for the campaign, not at all. "Truthers" with an ax to grind and a wish to shout at and interupt people about theories that have zero basis in fact do, expecially considering it has nothing to do with anything, and RP doesn't subscribe to any of that stuff.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I can only WISH I had the chutzpah of this woman. Back off folks - you got off on it and you KNOW it!

Hardly. I could care less what she did. It's her business. But don't do it when your car is sporting a Ron Paul sticker. Geez people, use your brains. We are in the big league now. This is not kindergarten.

 

[Wyurm]

Oh really? Ha! Damn. I didn't notice that. I found it unpleasant to listen to her (because I thought she was going to mention Ron Paul), so I didn't get very far. I just assumed she mentioned Ron Paul.... Those bastards...always trying to bash Dr. Paul. They're pathetic.

lol, I actually did listen to the whole thing, trust me over three minutes of Fred was pure torture. *shivers*

 

[nunaem]

While I agree that this is bad for the movement, why do some of you have to lump all 911 truthers together and label them bad supporters?

If association with 911 truthers is such a bad thing, why does Paul go on Alex Jones? Is Ron Paul a bad Ron Paul supporter?

Of course, Ron Paul never said he was a 911 truther, nor do any 911 truthers say he is. Some of you need to calm down.

 

[Razmear]

Her video is on YouTube submitted under
Houston911truth Confronts Fred Thompson

There is no connection between her and Ron Paul other than a report
"The two were spotted leaving together in a car sporting a Ron Paul bumper sticker." that does not say who saw them leave.
I have no problem with independent people asking politicians questions, and she never mentioned Ron Paul. The media is the one who made the weak connection between Ron Paul and this video of her being tossed out.

links:
MSNBC story:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/25/289752.aspx
YouTube Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvMWGNX7HlI

 

[LibertyEagle]

Individuals make the reality either by following the script without a challenge or by refusing to sit in the back of the bus.

Since "Truthers" are bad for the Campaign, who next pot smokers, satanists for liberty, John Birch Society members, reformed Communists for Ron Paul?

Damn straight. IF they attempt to piggyback off of Dr. Paul's campaign to further their own pet agendas. You betcha.

Most know to put these things aside and concentrate on Ron Paul. Very few of the truthers, or any other organization do this. It's just the few that spoil things. How about that woman from the JBS in California that was spouting off and a reporter got ahold of it. Think that was good for the campaign?

Just come on folks, please. Focus on Ron Paul's campaign. There are plenty of HIS issues that people think are in left field. Let's stick to those and try to explain THEM. Just like Dr. Paul said... don't go looking for dragons to slay. We are creating our own dragons by dragging this other baggage on top of his campaign. And for WHAT? If we drag him down, there's not going to be any investigation of 9-11. Our country will .... I don't even think about it.

This is way too important to be playing these games. Don't you realize that? PLEASE.

 

[BarryDonegan]

you can't realistically expect that any politician will have an entire support group of politicians. all of the people who rally behind a statesman of any type does so from the standpoint of how the particular individual confronts their needs.

fearing that the 9/11 truth community is going to damage Paul's reputation in a legitimate, earth shattering way, at this point is a waste of energy. unfortunately, the government has taken to hiding things and taking away civil liberties, and because a lot of what is going on is not disclosed to the people, there will be those who have theories, and some of them will gain popularity.

the real problem here, is that a group like the 9/11 truth group can become so large as to become a complicated political force. Ron Paul does not at any time claim to believe that 9/11 is an inside job, nor does he claim to be particularly concerned with that issue itself. he is interested in foreign policy, civil liberties, and the constitution, and constantly repeats that. however he is among the discontented that he represents, who are sick of the "politics as usual" that mike gravel refers to.

the real issue here, and one of the reasons ron paul has the kind of edge that speaks to people these days, is hes aware of the fearmongering, manipulative plans behind people such as the project for a new american century think tank. he is one of the first people to call out what they we're doing, and theres lots of footage of him on CSPAN urging everyone to notice.

do you really think people trust the government enough to throw out a legitimate candidate just b/c he says he doesn't trust the government, and other people who don't trust the government for various reasons support him?

this would hurt him if he had a tin foil hat record, but he does not, he is a uniquely valuable carrier of this message only because he has almost a bizarrely squeaky-clean selfless record. its almost as if he was designed from birth to carry this message. that is a sign that theres nothing to worry about. information is available everywhere, limitlessly now,because of the internet. what happened to fred thompson is more a symptom of a change of era of government, and has nothing specific to do with ron paul.

 

[paulitics]

To me its seems like calling Fred out on the North American Union and the CFR is what got her escorted not 911. And there is nothing "moonbaty" about asking that. In fact I commend her for her courage and putting that coward on the defensive. And I didn't see her as being threatening in any way. It is more disturbing that she was treated like a criminal for exercising her free speech.

 

[Dustancostine]

One thing that I thought was incredibly funny was Fred denying the North American Union while a supporter holds a big "Hola Fred" sign. Talk about Ironic. LoL

 

[LibertyEagle]

Her video is on YouTube submitted under
Houston911truth Confronts Fred Thompson

There is no connection between her and Ron Paul other than a report
"The two were spotted leaving together in a car sporting a Ron Paul bumper sticker." that does not say who saw them leave.
I have no problem with independent people asking politicians questions, and she never mentioned Ron Paul. The media is the one who made the weak connection between Ron Paul and this video of her being tossed out.

I agree, the media was looking for an edge and they found one. It should just go to show us that we can't trust the media. They want sensationalism, however they have to get it. So, we have to use our heads and not leave ourselves open to sliming Dr. Paul's campaign in our actions. It may still happen, but we all need to be very aware that our actions and behavior reflects on HIM.