Venezuela Empties Prisons, Sends Violent Criminals to U.S. Border, Says DHS Report

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

They can't just engage in some kind of pre-crime enforcement or assume that people they see are guilty until proven innocent.

Not doing so would elevate the immigrant/invader/illegal above the status of the Natural Born Citizen. These days it seems a person is arrested and considered guilty. Without a huge sum of disposable money they have little opportunity to defend themselves. Even with all the money in the world and the best attorney, an unworthy judge is all it takes for the demise of an upstanding citizen.

 

[Invisible Man]

Not doing so would elevate the immigrant/invader/illegal above the status of the Natural Born Citizen. These days it seems a person is arrested and considered guilty. Without a huge sum of disposable money they have little opportunity to defend themselves. Even with all the money in the world and the best attorney, an unworthy judge is all it takes for the demise of an upstanding citizen.

Your argument seems to be that because some wrong thing is done to one group of people, we should support doing that same wrong thing to another group of people in order to make it more fair.

Is that a fair statement of your position?

 

[acptulsa]

Your argument seems to be that because some wrong thing is done to one group of people, we should support doing that same wrong thing to another group of people in order to make it more fair.

Is that a fair statement of your position?

Sometimes a wry observation is just a wry observation.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Your argument seems to be that because some wrong thing is done to one group of people, we should support doing that same wrong thing to another group of people in order to make it more fair.

Is that a fair statement of your position?

I think the justice system is corrupt to the core. I do not think it is some wrong on one group but rather a wrong on anyone they desire to wrong. Is not crossing the border a criminal act? Who gets to decide which laws are upheld, conflated, or dismissed?

 

[Anti Federalist]

If "invaders" refers to people engaged in violent acts with victims, then sure.

Every single day we see the stories of native citizens suffering some violent atrocity at the hands of an invader who should not have been here.

But not just for peaceful people whose only crime is the victimless make believe crime of crossing a border without jumping through the hoops some politicians made up.

You are in favor de-evolution then.

Politicians, or rather, duly elected representatives of the people, authorized by the people that elected them is the civilized way in which the boundaries of where people live and work and play and die are established.

Your way is the old way, where the biggest and baddest warriors with the best weapons take what land and resources they want.

And if you ask how they're supposed to tell the peaceful ones from the violent ones, then the answer is by the same due process that needs to be applied to people who are already here when they're accused of any crime. They can't just engage in some kind of pre-crime enforcement or assume that people they see are guilty until proven innocent.

And what do you do with these millions and millions and millions of people while you investigate their backgrounds to determine whether they are or are not violent felons, kiddie diddlers, Marxist terrorists or other thugs.

 

[PAF]

Every single day we see the stories of native citizens suffering some violent atrocity at the hands of an invader who should not have been here.



You are in favor de-evolution then.

Politicians, or rather, duly elected representatives of the people, authorized by the people that elected them is the civilized way in which the boundaries of where people live and work and play and die are established.

Your way is the old way, where the biggest and baddest warriors with the best weapons take what land and resources they want.



And what do you do with these millions and millions and millions of people while you investigate their backgrounds to determine whether they are or are not violent felons, kiddie diddlers, Marxist terrorists or other thugs.

I think Klaus and the NWO is right again; chip every individual on earth, and all of the newborns coming out of the womb, and track them. That way we will be perfectly safe, buy only the foods they tell us we can buy, travel only where they tell us we are permitted, and arrest anybody who is innocent but suspected. That way we can preserve our freedoms. Most of all, don't forget: "If you see something, say something".

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Consider this side of the border the US Capital and anyone attempting entry an insurrectionist.

 

[acptulsa]

I think Klaus and the NWO is right again; chip every individual on earth, and all of the newborns coming out of the womb, and track them. That way we will be perfectly safe, buy only the foods they tell us we can buy, travel only where they tell us we are permitted, and arrest anybody who is innocent but suspected. That way we can preserve our freedoms. Most of all, don't forget: "If you see something, say something".

I prefer living in the Wild West, where any type of rapist has to think twice, because nobody's going to think twice about shooting them in the act.

We have faith in juries of our peers. If you see something, do something.

 

[PAF]

I prefer living in the Wild West, where any type of rapist has to think twice, because nobody's going to think twice about shooting them.

We have faith in juries of our peers. If you see something, do something.

Me too. But we are outnumbered. With [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION], [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], the Fed.gov and the MIC/lobbyists all in agreement, you and I are clearly outnumbered. Why do you think we live in such a sh|thole, and are expected to pay hard-earned money to eliminate the Bill of Rights?

 

[Invisible Man]

Every single day we see the stories of native citizens suffering some violent atrocity at the hands of an invader who should not have been here.

"Should not have been here" according to make believe laws and your own personal preferences. But we also see native citizens suffering some violent atrocity at the hands of other native citizens.

And then it's fair to use force to punish or prevent that, whether the criminal be a native citizen or someone whom you think should not have been here.

This does not extend out to using force against other people who are not committing those crimes.

 

[Invisible Man]

And what do you do with these millions and millions and millions of people while you investigate their backgrounds to determine whether they are or are not violent felons, kiddie diddlers, Marxist terrorists or other thugs.

I do nothing at all, except enjoy myself at the new authentic Mexican restaurants popping up, and take advantage of the boon of the influx of cheap labor. And I also don't waste my time investigating their backgrounds. I let you waste your time on that. You're the one who cares about it.

But here's what else I do.

If I don't want Nicolas Maduro engaging in 5th generation warfare against the US. I don't instigate that by engaging in 5th generation warfare against him first and putting him in a position where he's left with no choice but to retaliate. I call a truce. I say to Maduro, "Look, the US did wrong things to you. I admit it, and to the extent that I had anything to do with it, I apologize. We're going to stop that now. We're going to leave you alone, and ask that you leave us alone in return."

You might find that his incentive to mix bad people in with the good people that we are actively removing from his country for the sole purpose of hurting him would disappear the moment we stop actively removing those good people.

The American people don't want to be in a 5th generation war with Venezueala, or any other kind of war with them. The angels that you call "duly elected representatives of the people, authorized by the people that elected them" didn't start that war in service of our interests. They started it in the interests of certain special interest groups who fund their campaigns at higher levels than we could if we wanted to.

 

[PAF]

I do nothing at all, except enjoy myself at the new authentic Mexican restaurants popping up, and take advantage of the boon of the influx of cheap labor. And I also don't waste my time investigating their backgrounds. I let you waste your time on that. You're the one who cares about it.

But here's what else I do.

If I don't want Nicolas Maduro engaging in 5th generation warfare against the US. I don't instigate that by engaging in 5th generation warfare against him first and putting him in a position where he's left with no choice but to retaliate. I call a truce. I say to Maduro, "Look, the US did wrong things to you. I admit it, and to the extent that I had anything to do with it, I apologize. We're going to stop that now. We're going to leave you alone, and ask that you leave us alone in return."

You might find that his incentive to mix bad people in with the good people that we are actively removing from his country for the sole purpose of hurting him would disappear the moment we stop actively removing those good people.

The American people don't want to be in a 5th generation war with Venezueala, or any other kind of war with them. The angels that you call "duly elected representatives of the people, authorized by the people that elected them" didn't start that war in service of our interests. They started it in the interests of certain special interest groups who fund their campaigns at higher levels than we could if we wanted to.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Invisible Man again."


BTW, you misspelled Venezuela. Sorry, I just wanted to see what it felt like being a policeman of the world. Plus, I saw something, so I said something ;-)

 

[Anti Federalist]

I prefer living in the Wild West, where any type of rapist has to think twice, because nobody's going to think twice about shooting them in the act.

We have faith in juries of our peers. If you see something, do something.

That is how, quite literally, the rest of the world sees us.

And I agree and I want to keep it that way.

And this drives the globalist controllers, the deep state dwellers, the WEF twinks, the three bong hit Earth Firsters, the Red papists and the Marxist maggots insane.

Which is why they are all...all funding, organizing, channeling and supporting the demographic invasion of the last standing bastion of political liberty.

The purpose being to displace, replace and eliminate without a trace, me and you along with the only constitutional republic with a "negative" Bill of Rights.

 

[PAF]

That is how, quite literally, the rest of the world sees us.

And I agree and I want to keep it that way.

And this drives the globalist controllers, the deep state dwellers, the WEF twinks, the three bong hit Earth Firsters, the Red papists and the Marxist maggots insane.

Which is why they are all...all funding, organizing, channeling and supporting the demographic invasion of the last standing bastion of political liberty.

The purpose being to displace, replace and eliminate without a trace, me and you along with the only constitutional republic with a "negative" Bill of Rights.

We seem to be FUNDING it with the "representative" help of most of the congresscritters and senators. And POTUSes [plural]. On BOTH sides.

I've posed the question in another thread. Read through the list - how many companies/corporations that are signatory to the WEF Great Reset do people work for, or do business with them in one way or another, directly and/or indirectly? And what is the solution? Crickets.

 

[PAF]

We seem to be FUNDING it with the "representative" help of most of the congresscritters and senators. And POTUSes [plural]. On BOTH sides.

I've posed the question in another thread. Read through the list - how many companies/corporations that are signatory to the WEF Great Reset do people work for, or do business with them in one way or another, directly and/or indirectly? And what is the solution? Crickets.

And people wonder/criticize why I am an Agorist, who looks for ways to avoid paying taxes on smokes [non-menthol] and such, in order to defund the state. Just think if more people thought that way.

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

 

[Anti Federalist]

We seem to be FUNDING it with the "representative" help of most of the congresscritters and senators. And POTUSes [plural]. On BOTH sides.

I've posed the question in another thread. Read through the list - how many companies/corporations that are signatory to the WEF Great Reset do people work for, or do business with them in one way or another, directly and/or indirectly? And what is the solution? Crickets.

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]

I've posed a number of solutions to corporate tyranny.

Right now, I'm in communication with the NH State AG, John Formella, along with the NH Firearm Coalition (Life Member), to start lawsuit procedures against Visa. MasterCard and Amex, to prevent them from flagging gun purchases, which amount to a de facto, gun registry.

Most every libertarian/anarchist I know would oppose that action because "they're private companies and can do whatever they want".

I'm assuming you would as well...

 

[Anti Federalist]

I do nothing at all, except enjoy myself at the new authentic Mexican restaurants popping up, and take advantage of the boon of the influx of cheap labor. And I also don't waste my time investigating their backgrounds. I let you waste your time on that. You're the one who cares about it.

See that's where the disconnect is.

You will not recognize this as an invasion, directed funded and orchestrated by enemies foreign and domestic.

Or acknowledge that some of us do not want to live in a country that is nothing more than a northern expansion of a Mexico City barrio or Caracas slum, regardless of how many new establishments come along selling refried sick and carne de perro or how many cheap laborers are milling around the front of Home Depot looking for a dollar to play the Mexican bagpipes over your lawn.

You're the one willing to turn the country inside out, to fundamentally change what it is, just to save a buck and eat bad food.

Why not just go there, instead of fucking up here?

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]

I've posed a number of solutions to corporate tyranny.

Right now, I'm in communication with the NH State AG, John Formella, along with the NH Firearm Coalition (Life Member), to start lawsuit procedures against Visa. MasterCard and Amex, to prevent them from flagging gun purchases, which amount to a de facto, gun registry.

Most every libertarian/anarchist I know would oppose that action because "they're private companies and can do whatever they want".

I'm assuming you would as well...

Sorry, I haven't used credit cards for anything in years. Cash only for any/all gun and related purchases.

I don't care what Visa, MasterCard and Amex do. People need to live within their means. If it's only as a "convenience", and paid off at the end of the month, then they can/should certainly use cash for their guns.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry, I haven't used credit cards for anything in years. Cash only for any/all gun and related purchases.

I don't care what Visa, MasterCard and Amex do. People need to live within their means. If it's only as a "convenience", and paid off at the end of the month, then they can/should certainly use cash for their guns.

Well, I'm glad you don't disapprove anyways...

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

I would be more inclined not to do business with them. I know it's difficult, and you can't do that all of the time, but if enough people did that to enough companies, they might get the hint.

Same way people bought more expensive and under-powered Harley's, instead of Victory's (no longer in business) which were superior. It's a choice. If they don't mind being "registered" gun-owners, that's the bed they choose to sleep in. Don't blame me.