Vatican now says there is no longer a chosen people

[denison]

Easy, since god didn't write the bible, men did.

^^^^^^Bingo.

 

[Dr.3D]

Canon 1250 All Fridays through the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the entire Church.

Canon 1251 Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Can. 1253 It is for the conference of bishops to determine more precisely the observance of fast and abstinence and to substitute in whole or in part for fast and abstinence other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.

The USCCB (United States Conference of Catholic Bishops) lifted the "don't eat meat on Fridays" outside of Lent. They are still penitential days, people are just encouraged to do other things in place of giving up meat. I'm not Mexican, but its possible that their bishops kept the "don't eat meat on Fridays" in place.

I can't seem to find the book of Canon in the Bible.

 

[johnrocks]

No chosen people AND that Israel should end it's occupation, this is rather surprising to me.

 

[Maximus]

I can't seem to find the book of Canon in the Bible.

That's because you haven't thought of who compiled the canon that makes up the Bible

 

[Dr.3D]

That's because you haven't thought of who compiled the canon that makes up the Bible

The early church did that before the third century.

 

[Maximus]

The early church did that before the third century.

Might want to read up a bit on who the "early church" was, how they practiced faith, how they organized themselves, etc.

 

[Dr.3D]

Might want to read up a bit on who the "early church" was, how they practiced faith, how they organized themselves, etc.

Here is a little you can read.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/canon3.html

Edit: And if that isn't enough: http://www.bible-researcher.com/canon1.html

 

[paulitics]

The neocons at hannityforums are using the antisemitism card just for someone posting an article. Haha http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=2100831

 

[Sola_Fide]

Might want to read up a bit on who the "early church" was, how they practiced faith, how they organized themselves, etc.

1st Timothy 3:2 says that pastors must be the husbands of one wife. That is the church in the first century.

Why did Rome change that?

 

[paulitics]

This is a pretty damn amazing piece of news. This can really change the geopolitics of the region. I always thought the chrisitians were supposed to stand by the "chosen people" no matter what to fullfill some end of times prophesy. What happened?

 

[Dr.3D]

1st Timothy 3:2 says that pastors must be the husbands of one wife. That is the church in the first century.

Why did Rome change that?

Daniel 7:25

 

[libertythor]

Oh, is that were people used to not be able to eat meat on Friday, and now God says it's okay? Somehow, I got the idea fish live in trees on Friday.

And last I remember, Mexicans in Mexico still can't eat meat on Friday. Seems God singled them out.

Most down here don't observe it that strictly. There are plenty of "carne asadas" barbecues planned on Fridays.

 

[Dr.3D]

Most down here don't observe it that strictly. There are plenty of "carne asadas" barbecues planned on Fridays.

I'll admit it's been about 30 years since I lived there and if I asked for carne de rez on Friday, the restaurant wouldn't serve it.

 

[libertythor]

I'll admit it's been about 30 years since I lived there and if I asked for carne de rez on Friday, the restaurant wouldn't serve it.

I am sure that in some towns and areas of big cities that there are individual restaurants that still won't do it, but it is all up to the individual conscience of the business owner.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Daniel 7:25

Ooooohhh.

You are trying to start a debate arent ya!





I agree. He is that man of sin, isn't he?

 

[Inkblots]

1st Timothy 3:2 says that pastors must be the husbands of one wife. That is the church in the first century.

Why did Rome change that?

The Church wants its priests to be models of holiness, to live in the expectation of the Kingdom, and to be wholly devoted with undivided solicitude to the community in their pastoral care. The requirement of celebacy is based on Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 7, where he writes (verses 1, 32-35):

"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.

I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit."

Just as Paul says in verse 36 that "If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.", the Church does not discourage marriage. However, the priesthood is reversed to those who have (verse 37) "settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin", for just the reasons Paul points out above.

EDIT: Also, the Church does have married priests; for example, married Anglican clergymen with valid ordinations who convert to Catholicism are valid priests, able to celebrate the sacraments in the eyes of the Church, and have wives - though they are not allowed to remarry if their wife passes on. However, within the Church itself, we seek for men who accept the invitation of Paul to devote themselves to the concerns of the Lord undivided, by forsaken a family of their own, so that the church itself might be their family.

 

[amy31416]

This is a pretty damn amazing piece of news. This can really change the geopolitics of the region. I always thought the chrisitians were supposed to stand by the "chosen people" no matter what to fullfill some end of times prophesy. What happened?

I've never heard of a Catholic being into "end times" sorts of things. There's a big difference between Catholics and various Protestant denominations--I was raised Lutheran, and never once heard a thing about end times stuff.

 

[Maximus]

Here is a little you can read.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/canon3.html

Edit: And if that isn't enough: http://www.bible-researcher.com/canon1.html

All this says is that we should reject many of the books of the New Testament because the "earliest ideas must be right", which is clearly wrong. The Bible came together through much debate, and only through a tradition could it ever have been compiled together.

I would recommend that you read the works or at least the quotes of St. Iraneus, St. Athanasius, and Origen. You'd be surprised of many of their opinions and beliefs regarding ecclesiology.

Chrisitianity is not limited to the word of God in the Bible, rather it is the religion of the living eternal Word.

Anyways this is the general politics forum so I won't post anymore in this thread, I don't want to hijack it off the main topic

 

[Sola_Fide]

1st Corinthians 7 is not talking about any office of church leadership...1st Timothy 3 is - directly.

 

[Inkblots]

1st Corinthians 7 is not talking about any office of church leadership...1st Timothy 3 is - directly.

Of course. Paul's advice applies to all of us - if we have the strength to remain celibate, we ought to. And it is just that sort of person the Church wants for its priesthood, so that they may be undivided in their concern for the souls under their care, without the overweening concerns of wife and children.