Vaccines can cause mental retardation in children?

[presence]

lol

my aunt just competed in the 100m snow shoe competition. She forgot to button her snow pants and left her ski poles at the starting line... 50m in... pants around ankles... plop

 

[presence]

If not vaccines... What new inventions really are saving us from killer diseases?

Imagine all that cool stuff that pretty much didn't exist in the "pre vaccine era"

oh... and lets not forget:

 

[jmdrake]

You didn't read what I linked you to earlier, perhaps. So I'll do it again:



You should read this.



If you're saying it's 100% fact that there's a causal relationship between vaccines and encephalopathy, I'd like to see the science on it because the data available, at best, indicates a mere trigger for an early onset.

So let me see if I understand you and the study you are quoting. That study found a link between vaccines and an early onset of certain types of seizures but since the children ultimately had the same IQ regardless of the early onset of seizures there's nothing wrong with early seizures? Because that's what it seems like you're saying.

 

[juleswin]

If not vaccines... What new inventions really are saving us from killer diseases?

Imagine all that cool stuff that pretty much didn't exist in the "pre vaccine era"

oh... and lets not forget:

This and more. You know I see people like Bill Gates trying to imagine new ways of delivering vaccines to poor people in Africa when he would be doing them a mighty favor by providing them access to clean water and electricity. Even just the boost of immunity you would get from the stress relief knowing that you have those amenities would do more to improve health than any vaccine would do.

But fuck that, lets spend billions of dollars trying to invent drone vaccines (and yes they are working on that) to deliver vaccines to those poor malnourished people. And I would have mention that not many Africans are dying from malnutrition but the ones dying from diseases like mumps, measles, malaria etc etc are usually malnourished

 

[angelatc]

And don't forget how well the measles vaccine worked in 1985, 87 school kids came down with it ALL vaccsinated. Considering how great it worked here surely you can't say all the data on all the different diseases were wrong?? All my fault they do actually wtf am i thinking??

I have long ago determined that sane people can't possibly imagine wtf anti-vaxxers are thinking. It's prett clear that math and science aren't their strong suits. While you are technically correct, you forgot to mention that the measles vaccine protocols were changed as a direct result of the 1985 outbreak, in that a booster was added. So no more outbreaks.

As for causation vs correlation, one of the key indicators for me as a lay-person to tell the difference is the ability to make predictions based on previous evidence. With every single vaccine we are discussing, the science predicted that the rate of infections would drop like a stone when the vaccines were introduced. They did. They also predicted that if and when the vaccine rate fell below a certain percent of the population, we would start to see pockets of infections creeping back into our society. We are. Statistically it is only a matter of time before a child in America dies from a disease that is almost entirely preventable.

However, autism rates did not decline when therimosol was removed from vaccines. Nor did they fall in Japan when that country stepped away from the MMR in favor of 3 different shots.

 

[angelatc]

So let me see if I understand you and the study you are quoting. That study found a link between vaccines and an early onset of certain types of seizures but since the children ultimately had the same IQ regardless of the early onset of seizures there's nothing wrong with early seizures? Because that's what it seems like you're saying.

That's true. The grand mal seizures are scary but there is no long term damage.

 

[angelatc]

Since you like charts have you seen the one comparing the decline of childhood illnesses between vaccines and going from the outhouse to having a bathroom in America? Or in other words sanitation. Evidence has actually been shown that the decline in childhood illneses had just as much or more to do with better sanitation. Polio for instance was already on the decline before the vaccination came out. What's also interesting is after the vaccination was introduced there was no increase in the rate of decline compared to previous years. So if there was increase in the decline rate then just how effective was it?

Of course i ain't saying don't take em but at the same time the state shouldn't mandate it..

Why didn't these diseases all disappear at the same time then, instead of directing correlating with the introduction of the various vaccines? (And actually, polio got worse with indoor plumbing. Science is tricky!)

Polio is eradicated in India - what great advances in hygiene and plumbing have happened there in the past 10 years?

 

[presence]

Polio is eradicated in India

“Wild” poliovirus may be gone from vaccinated countries, but what was once called “polio,” and frightened the wits out of parents world-wide, is still ubiquitous.
The term “poliomyelitis” is a description of spinal pathology. The meaning of the word comes from Greek:
polios= gray, and muelos =marrow, itis=inflammation; meaning “inflammation of the gray matter of the spinal cord.”
All poliomyelitis means is that the gray matter of the spinal cord is inflamed. This can occur anywhere from the brainstem to the end of the spinal cord, and it has always had many causes, the least of which is a virus that lives in intestines of healthy people.
The result of this inflammation, whether chemical or viral, leads to certain characteristic muscular symptoms that have been conditioned into the minds of several generations of people to appear as the classic atrophied limbs, iron lungs and other horrifying images.
By definition and by historical documentation, these infamous images of polio should by no means be blamed solely on a specific wild-type (naturally occurring) virus. Environmental toxins, other infections, and laboratory-derived vaccine viruses were all implicated in paralytic polio over the years. Yet wild virus, even though it is said to be asymptomatic in 95% of infected, and only causes paralysis in a small amount of infected is the excuse for world-wide polio vaccination with live viruses that are known to cause their own outbreaks of polio in China, Nigeria and India.
- See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2...by-suzanne-humphries-md/#sthash.GZQxZgYb.dpuf

There was very little live polio to begin with. Most of it was other diseases yet unnamed. Yes, vaccine irradicated "wild polio" but as fast as "wild polio" was gone... it becomes clear that it wasn't the primary cause of "polio"

 

[juleswin]

Why didn't these diseases all disappear at the same time then, instead of directing correlating with the introduction of the various vaccines? (And actually, polio got worse with indoor plumbing. Science is tricky!)

Polio is eradicated in India - what great advances in hygiene and plumbing have happened there in the past 10 years?

Polio is a special case because in fact being a bit playful with your feces (feces to mouth) before the age of 2 will give you a life time immunity against it. But if you miss that opportunity and contract it anytime after that period, you end up with a life long disability.

So yes, apart from polio and maybe 1 or 2 other diseases I cannot think of, having good hygiene will proportionally improve your health

 

[otherone]

The FDA sez:

Foodborne Illness Is Serious Business

When it comes to protecting yourself and your family from foodborne illness, one of your most effective tools is the kitchen refrigerator. In fact, at room temperature, the numbers of bacteria that cause foodborne sickness can double every 20 minutes! Chilling foods to proper temperatures is one of the best ways to slow the growth of these bacteria.

Foodborne diseases are far more serious than many people realize. The Federal government estimates that there are about 48 million cases of foodborne illness annually–the equivalent of sickening 1 in 6 Americans each year. And each year these illnesses result in an estimated 128,000 hospitalizations and 3,000 deaths.

Salmonella, for example, causes millions of cases of foodborne illness annually and is the leading cause of foodborne deaths.
E. coli O157:H7 is a bacterium that can produce a deadly toxin. Infections from E. coli O157:H7 are estimated to be between 20,000 and 40,000 cases per year.
The Clostridium botulinum bacterium produces a deadly toxin that causes botulism, a disease characterized by muscle paralysis.
Illnesses caused by Campylobacter, noroviruses, Shigella, and other organisms can create severe health problems, particularly for children, the elderly, and people with chronic illness or suppressed immune systems.

People who don't own refrigerators should be JAILED.

 

[presence]

People who don't own refrigerators should be JAILED.

That would be pretty much everyone in the "pre vaccine era"

 

[otherone]

That would be pretty much everyone in the "pre vaccine era"

ooh ooh..now I get to say "correlation does not imply causation"!

 

[LibertárioBR]

I don't understand why so many american libertarians like much conspiracies and pseudosciences...

I think, people who have internet and know english, they should be better informed.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't understand why so many american libertarians like much conspiracies and pseudosciences...

I think, people who have internet and know english, they should be better informed.

They question authority. Whether or not they're right, I admire that about them.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't understand why so many american libertarians like much conspiracies and pseudosciences...

I think, people who have internet and know english, they should be better informed.

Could it be that they have seen so much evil perpetrated by government in their lifetimes, that bizarre conspiracies actually begin to fall upon the likelier side of Occam's Razor?

 

[AuH20]

I don't understand why so many american libertarians like much conspiracies and pseudosciences...

I think, people who have internet and know english, they should be better informed.

because there is a trail of suppression and bold-faced lies.

 

[donnay]

There was very little live polio to begin with. Most of it was other diseases yet unnamed. Yes, vaccine irradicated "wild polio" but as fast as "wild polio" was gone... it becomes clear that it wasn't the primary cause of "polio"

Plus they keep changing the names. Acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) is the new name, instead of polio.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html

 

[LibertárioBR]

Could it be that they have seen so much evil perpetrated by government in their lifetimes, that bizarre conspiracies actually begin to fall upon the likelier side of Occam's Razor?

It's bizarre. The government is inefficient at all, but they can do the "9/11 inside job" and hide ets.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I think, people who have internet and know english, they should be better informed.

Yeah, the internet has made succeeding generations increasingly intelligenter.

 

[Working Poor]

Hello, Working Poor (I don't like that user name, why not "Lazy Rich"? LOL!).
That is really the best book. Dr. O'Shea has made it a religion to respect the scientific method, and his research is by far the most solid and honest. That is why he is so passionate about this subject; he has studied it thoroughly and he has uncovered a truth that most of the professional world -mainly MDs- has a hard time accepting due to years and years of brain washing (and to a large extent, money in their pockets as well). Having said this, I have known many MDs who know the truth about vaccines but will not reveal it to their patients because they are afraid to be sued.
If someone will dismiss Dr. O'Shea because he is a chiropractor, then you are having a debate with the wrong person. Whoever does that will not examine the issue with intellectual honesty, they will call Dr. O'Shea -or you- names and will never, ever study his scientific conclusions.
If I may suggest something to you -which I have learned after passionately trying to make people see some issues-, provide the information and your sources one time. If a person is intellectually honest, they will examine the evidence with open eyes and one time will suffice; most people will not do it.
I would gladly join the discussion you are proposing, but as I mentioned, there has been so much bullying and brain washing with this issue, that in my case, at least, I have lost the willingness to insist. Good luck!

I have 2 family members with autism that were perfectly "normal" developing just fine and after vaccines forever changed. Even as a child I thought vaccines were bad and it was a huge fight to get me to take them. I knew what the word consent meant and I wanted to make sure the doctors knew I was not consenting.

I have also worked with brain injured children. I actually started working with them in elementary school at my school and in the summer time during my public school years and then in a facility for severely mentally and physically challenged individuals. Even as a child I wondered if vaccines played in role in their injuries and even over heard a few parents saying that after their child was vaccinated they changed way back then when I was still a child.

Anyway below are some links to some discussion that I started. You might like my screen name better there Ha! I think you can log in with facebook or twitter I am not sure though I have had an account there for several years and am not exactly sure if you have to register with them to post. I would love for you to mention your personal experiences with brain injured children.

http://lisafrequency.newsvine.com/_...t-measles-the-mainstream-media-is-suppressing

http://lisafrequency.newsvine.com/_...ted-by-the-vaccinated-gov-researchers-confirm