Vaccines can cause mental retardation in children?

[rich34]

This is a massive organized hit piece. But for what? I mean why is this even an issue and who decides? Surely Rand not wearing a suit and tie didn't piss off those donors that bad right? Of course not, must of been some internal poll or something that shows Paul doing extremely well so it was time for a torpedo to make sure he don't get to big of a lead. Besides, they also have to make him look kooky since they've done did that to his father. I'm saying it now, this election cycle they are going to try and blow up anyone that attempts to have an intelligent debate on issues. Why? Because Jeb can't be made to look to stupid.. Besides, after everyone is scared to death to talk about any idea they have, team Bush is going to tell you along with the MSM that all you need to know about Jeb is "INTEGRITY."

That word helped elect his brother and they're going to try and repeat history. I know this is about as dumbed down as George trying to tell jokes, but well it is what it is. Now why they're choosing to attack Rand now I have no idea, but sure makes you wonder. When you put all these hit pieces together it was a coordinated effort. If I remember correctly Christie got asked about this on Sunday, probably to give the excuse to ask Rand on Monday. Christie gave essentially the same response as Rand, but now Rand is taking all the heat. Oh, just where the hell is Bush in all this??

Oh, he once thought about being nfl commissioner.... Bet ya'll didn't no that shit did ya! Don't matter if it's true or not, Jeb an the media just said so, suck it....

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/jeb-bXXh-nfl-commissioner-114920.html

Damn I'm going to so hate this election cycle. Not only will you here that Jeb has more integrity than everyone else on the planet combined (with the exception of his brother of course) but their going to try and dumb down this cycle to where the most ignorant and stupid issues, are MAJOR. And guess what, Jeb will have not only the word integrity patented for only his use, but he'll be the only candidate that has the solutions to these ridiculous issues.. Get ready cause this kind of campaign is coming and the media is going to help em..

 

[Antischism]

Encephalitis is a well known and well documented side effect that affects a very small minority of recipients.

You should read this.

Abstract

BACKGROUND:
Pertussis vaccination has been alleged to cause an encephalopathy that involves seizures and subsequent intellectual disability. In a previous retrospective study, 11 of 14 patients with so-called vaccine encephalopathy had Dravet syndrome that was associated with de-novo mutations of the sodium channel gene SCN1A. In this study, we aimed to establish whether the apparent association of Dravet syndrome with vaccination was caused by recall bias and, if not, whether vaccination affected the onset or outcome of the disorder.

METHODS:
We retrospectively studied patients with Dravet syndrome who had mutations in SCN1A, whose first seizure was a convulsion, and for whom validated source data were available. We analysed medical and vaccination records to investigate whether there was an association between vaccination and onset of seizures in these patients. Patients were separated into two groups according to whether seizure onset occurred shortly after vaccination (vaccination-proximate group) or not (vaccination-distant group). We compared clinical features, intellectual outcome, and type of SCN1A mutation between the groups.

FINDINGS:
Dates of vaccination and seizure onset were available from source records for 40 patients. We identified a peak in the number of patients who had seizure onset within 2 days after vaccination. Thus, patients who had seizure onset on the day of or the day after vaccination (n=12) were included in the vaccination-proximate group and those who had seizure onset 2 days or more after vaccination (n=25) or before vaccination (n=3) were included in the vaccination-distant group. Mean age at seizure onset was 18.4 weeks (SD 5.9) in the vaccination-proximate group and 26.2 weeks (8.1) in the vaccination-distant group (difference 7.8 weeks, 95% CI 2.6-13.1; p=0.004). There were no differences in intellectual outcome, subsequent seizure type, or mutation type between the two groups (all p values >0.3). Furthermore, in a post-hoc analysis, intellectual outcome did not differ between patients who received vaccinations after seizure onset and those who did not.

INTERPRETATION:
Vaccination might trigger earlier onset of Dravet syndrome in children who, because of an SCN1A mutation, are destined to develop the disease. However, vaccination should not be withheld from children with SCN1A mutations because we found no evidence that vaccinations before or after disease onset affect outcome.

 

[Antischism]

Wait. He said what you quoted in a clarification? Is there a link to it?

Yeah, here's a link.

A day after he spoke about healthy children "who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Sen. Rand Paul issued a statement clarifying that he supports vaccines and that he "did not allege causation" between vaccinations and disorders.

"I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related -- I did not allege causation," Paul said. "I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated."

The Kentucky Republican, who is mulling a 2016 presidential bid, said that he received a booster shot on Tuesday for vaccinations he got for a trip to Guatemala last year.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It would be funny how people get into a big witch hunt over vaccines if it wasn't so damn depressing. It just goes to show you how brainwashed people are. We have to go around accusing people of impure thoughts regarding vaccines. If you're not gung ho about them, then pack your bags and get outta town, you commie bastard. The mania over whether you believe in something that is inherently a personal choice is truly nauseating. And yes, I'm talking to all the pro-vaxxers here who think it's perfectly acceptable to tell me what I should put into my children's bodies.

 

[rich34]

His initial statement was correct. How he's revising it now is idiotic.

EXACTLY!!

Rand has fell into their trap! Why the hell is this even an issue? He said he vaccinated his children, period!! By him going back to it now and changing anything he said regardless of what he said will be portrayed his flip flopping and automatically in the wrong for whatever he said. Rand needs to deal with this the same way George Bush dealt with doing drugs, well not using the phrase he used, but simply moving on. "Look I said I made some mistakes, next question." Rand don't even need to fall for their mudslinging bs tactic. Where the hell are the other candidates why are they getting asked for their position on this issue which is A STATE ISSUE?

Even though Rand vaccinated his own children even spoke well of them, they are killing him over this. By the time their done, they going to make people think Rand don't believe in vaccines and if it's up to him he'll pass a law preventing anyone from getting a vaccine... And oh yeah in other news......

Genius/And Highly Popular Jeb Bush, explains why he turned down the NFL commissioner job...

Back in May 2006, Bush told reporters that he had met with Florida businessman Patrick Rooney Sr., the brother of Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney.

Rooney was co-chairman of the search committee to replace Paul Tagliabue, who had led the NFL for 17 years. Bush said then that he was not entertaining any discussion about what he’d do after he left office.

“I was encouraged to consider it,” he said Wednesday. “There were owners that asked me about it, and it was nine months prior to ending my tenure as governor. And to be honest with you … I could never have imagined abandoning that job.”

“It took me about 10 minutes after the flattery of a couple of calls from owners to realize that this is just not possible,” he added. “So I finished strong as governor, as strong as I could.”


Shawn Hannity, what do you think about that? Wow, it really shows just how much INTEGRITY Jeb has when he could have simply left his position as governor, but he choose to finish out his term of public duty. There's really no candidate in the field Bill O that matches the integrity that Bush brings to the table, I agree 100% Shawn and that's why he'll be the next president.

Laying the groundwork folks, fuck the fact that no owner was even mentioned so who knows if this even true. We only have the brother of an owner, supposedly asking Jeb if he was interested.. I call bullshit and expect a whole lot more of BS stories like this coming from Jeb/msm incorporated. Always notice it'll be stories that have nothing to do with policies, but made up bull shit designed to cover up a shady past. By then when the real mud comes out about Jeb, shit.... WHAAAT, Jeb is a good man, he couldn't have possibly done that, have you seen his INTEGRITY ranking!! Why nobody is close sonny boy....

Christ help us....

 

[rich34]

Now some of ya'll are falling for their bs, but even arguing the point. Sure we can all do our own independent research on vaccines and see for ourselves, but they're just going to use it to brand Paul supporters as "conspiracy" nuts!!

Oh, shit, as a collective whole there is no way to stop this. And all it takes is for one Paul supporter to be against vaccines, it'll be written "All Paul supporters against vaccines, and are domestic terrorist"


Meanwhile, Jeb Bush just turned down the position for DEAN of the university of Harvard and Yale... Said, their integrity meter is not high enough...

 

[Antischism]

It would be funny how people get into a big witch hunt over vaccines if it wasn't so damn depressing. It just goes to show you how brainwashed people are. We have to go around accusing people of impure thoughts regarding vaccines. If you're not gung ho about them, then pack your bags and get outta town, you commie bastard. The mania over whether you believe in something that is inherently a personal choice is truly nauseating. And yes, I'm talking to all the pro-vaxxers here who think it's perfectly acceptable to tell me what I should put into my children's bodies.

Have you considered Walter Block's position?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Have you considered Walter Block's position?

Although a Typhoid vaccine exists, it was never widely used in the United States. The Typhoid Mary example is therefore completely irrelevant to the vaccination argument. This derogates his entire novella within the first paragraph. It is true enough that Typhoid Mary had to be stopped, and she herself had the choice of quarantine or having her gallbladder removed to put an end to her carrying the disease. She chose instead to go into hiding and continue to cook food for people knowing that she was infecting them. Block was dead wrong claiming she had no mens rea. Why did she keep disappearing the minute she infected one family only to change her name move locations, and proceed to infect another family, wash rinse repeat?

As an extreme minarchist, I'd have no problem quarantining Mary Mellon and if she seriously refused to be cured, when her cure was well known, then keeping her quarantined indefinitely.

The people that Block wants to strap to a table at gunpoint and poke with needles against their will, are not shedding virus.

You can agree that Mary Mellon should have been quarantined without thinking people need to be strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii.

Yet another in a long long list of nonsense for which Block should not be taken seriously.

 

[presence]

strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii
strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii
strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii
strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii
strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii
strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii
strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii

 

[Antischism]

Although a Typhoid vaccine exists, it was never widely used in the United States. The Typhoid Mary example is therefore completely irrelevant to the vaccination argument. This derogates his entire novella within the first paragraph. It is true enough that Typhoid Mary had to be stopped, and she herself had the choice of quarantine or having her gallbladder removed to put an end to her carrying the disease. She chose instead to go into hiding and continue to cook food for people knowing that she was infecting them. Block was dead wrong claiming she had no mens rea. Why did she keep disappearing the minute she infected one family only to change her name move locations, and proceed to infect another family, wash rinse repeat?

As an extreme minarchist, I'd have no problem quarantining Mary Mellon and if she seriously refused to be cured, when her cure was well known, then keeping her quarantined indefinitely.

The people that Block wants to strap to a table at gunpoint and poke with needles against their will, are not shedding virus.

You can agree that Mary Mellon should have been quarantined without thinking people need to be strapped to a table at gunpoint and injected with virii.

Yet another in a long long list of nonsense for which Block should not be taken seriously.

Vaccines are only effective when taken before a virus is able to take hold and break through pockets of people if herd immunity is compromised as a result of a refusal to vaccinate. A vaccine is useless once an individual is affected by it since it's a preventative, not a cure. What's unfortunate is it would take a resurgence in Measles and Polio deaths for people to get serious about vaccines again. Many of the people who are staunchly against them have the luxury of living in an era where thanks to vaccinations, we've come close to eradicating most of these things. Instead of worrying about the actual viruses and seeing their family members die, they can instead latch onto pseudo-scientific articles and claims. There's zero reason to decline taking any of the important vaccines we have available to us right now. What do you think would occur if enough people took an apathetic stance or completely refused vaccines? Quite frankly, those who refuse to vaccinate, as I previously mentioned, only have that luxury because of others who know the importance of it.

 

[Antischism]

I feel like one of the biggest issues for some libertarians is who's actually doing the mandating on vaccines. In a world where we have privatized medicine/insurance companies, schools, etc., I can't imagine these places not mandating vaccination. Regardless, making unfounded claims that vaccines are dangerous goes against the science.

 

[rich34]

I feel like one of the biggest issues for some libertarians is who's actually doing the mandating on vaccines. In a world where we have privatized medicine/insurance companies, schools, etc., I can't imagine these places not mandating vaccination. Regardless, making unfounded claims that vaccines are dangerous goes against the science.

Wow didn't wanna do this but you are aware of the swine flu vaccine back in the late 70's? Killed more people than the virus... That alone should be enough for free choice.

Besides, currently the vaccine laws are mostly made by the states. And even at that there only mandatory upon entering public schools. That's it end of discussion. I won't tell you to get or not get I ask the same in return.

 

[jjdoyle]

Yeah, here's a link.

Thank you! I was hoping it was out of context, and incorrect... Mitt Romney 2.0. John Kerry 2.0. This is getting ridiculous though.

And it wasn't an unfounded claim to say that vaccines are dangerous to some people, as people have listed some vaccine side effects in this thread and others, and I know a family that has a little boy that was "normal" with development, making typical baby noises, etc. Then after a set of vaccines, went into an autistic type state.

Rand Paul COULD have used it as an opportunity for the PARENTS of those type of children to speak about it, and the positives and negatives. And talk about the DELAYED vaccination program that he mentioned in the interview that many (MOST, I would guess) parents aren't even aware of.

 

[jjdoyle]

Wow didn't wanna do this but you are aware of the swine flu vaccine back in the late 70's? Killed more people than the virus... That alone should be enough for free choice.

Besides, currently the vaccine laws are mostly made by the states. And even at that there only mandatory upon entering public schools. That's it end of discussion. I won't tell you to get or not get I ask the same in return.

I think I've mentioned the Swine Flue Vaccine before in random posts, but what would have BEEN an extended family member at this point, was killed by the vaccine in the 70s.

 

[presence]

lol that hepatitis A statistic is a complete joke. In no way is it possible there has been 91% reduction in mobidity due to people taking hepatitis A vaccines.

There's 91% reduction in morbidity because of dialysis that didn't even exist until after WWII.

30% of American's have Hepatitis A, it causes them no harm, and they have lifetime immunity that the vaccine couldn't even give.

http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Hepatitis-A.aspx

 

[CPUd]

Wait till Hepatitis C hits in about a decade.

 

[bocelli]

Vaccines are only effective when taken before a virus is able to take hold and break through pockets of people if herd immunity is compromised as a result of a refusal to vaccinate. A vaccine is useless once an individual is affected by it since it's a preventative, not a cure. What's unfortunate is it would take a resurgence in Measles and Polio deaths for people to get serious about vaccines again. Many of the people who are staunchly against them have the luxury of living in an era where thanks to vaccinations, we've come close to eradicating most of these things. Instead of worrying about the actual viruses and seeing their family members die, they can instead latch onto pseudo-scientific articles and claims. There's zero reason to decline taking any of the important vaccines we have available to us right now. What do you think would occur if enough people took an apathetic stance or completely refused vaccines? Quite frankly, those who refuse to vaccinate, as I previously mentioned, only have that luxury because of others who know the importance of it.

Sorry, this graph is not evidence of anything. Once again, as with any other medical intervention, if you want to know if it is effective, measure 2 populations WITH THE SAME DEMOGRAPHICS AND DURING THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME, one that has been vaccinated and the other that hasn't, and compare how many individuals of each group contracted the illness that the vaccine is supposed to protect you from.

 

[Antischism]

Wow didn't wanna do this but you are aware of the swine flu vaccine back in the late 70's? Killed more people than the virus... That alone should be enough for free choice.

Besides, currently the vaccine laws are mostly made by the states. And even at that there only mandatory upon entering public schools. That's it end of discussion. I won't tell you to get or not get I ask the same in return.

Sources for this are pretty dubious. The only concrete info I can find is that of the 45 million people vaccinated in 1976, around four hundred and fifty developed the rare Guillain-Barré syndrome (indeed, there appears to have been a causal relationship between that particular vaccination and Guillain-Barré, though the exact reason is unknown). In the case of an actual pandemic or epidemic, this incredibly small amount of instances would have been heavily outweighed by the number of cases of H1N1 it would have protected against. One must note that this vaccine was rushed and the initiative was mostly a result of Gerald Ford's political game (The WHO was actually in favor of a wait and see approach). I don't think it's illogical to be wary of a brand new, rushed vaccine being pushed without much scientific backing in a seemingly political move. The 1976 cases had strikingly similar characteristics to 1918's flu pandemic, which was what caused so much alarm but also a lesson in relying on science and study before jumping to conclusions. Ultimately, comparing that to what we know about the vaccines being administered today is pretty disingenuous because the science is already settled on it with overwhelming data.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Nick Gillespie over at Irrational just picked an infection of the stupid. He's repeating the "Rand Paul thinks vaccines cause autism" BS started by NBC and Megyn Kelly.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/04/is-rand-paul-an-anti-vaccine-nut-job

 

[rich34]

I feel like one of the biggest issues for some libertarians is who's actually doing the mandating on vaccines. In a world where we have privatized medicine/insurance companies, schools, etc., I can't imagine these places not mandating vaccination. Regardless, making unfounded claims that vaccines are dangerous goes against the science.

Vaccines are only effective when taken before a virus is able to take hold and break through pockets of people if herd immunity is compromised as a result of a refusal to vaccinate. A vaccine is useless once an individual is affected by it since it's a preventative, not a cure. What's unfortunate is it would take a resurgence in Measles and Polio deaths for people to get serious about vaccines again. Many of the people who are staunchly against them have the luxury of living in an era where thanks to vaccinations, we've come close to eradicating most of these things. Instead of worrying about the actual viruses and seeing their family members die, they can instead latch onto pseudo-scientific articles and claims. There's zero reason to decline taking any of the important vaccines we have available to us right now. What do you think would occur if enough people took an apathetic stance or completely refused vaccines? Quite frankly, those who refuse to vaccinate, as I previously mentioned, only have that luxury because of others who know the importance of it.

Since you like charts have you seen the one comparing the decline of childhood illnesses between vaccines and going from the outhouse to having a bathroom in America? Or in other words sanitation. Evidence has actually been shown that the decline in childhood illneses had just as much or more to do with better sanitation. Polio for instance was already on the decline before the vaccination came out. What's also interesting is after the vaccination was introduced there was no increase in the rate of decline compared to previous years. So if there was increase in the decline rate then just how effective was it?

Of course i ain't saying don't take em but at the same time the state shouldn't mandate it..