Vaccinations and my daughter

[PatriotOne]

One thing that worries me about NOT giving vaccinations is what if the gov't decides to unleash some sicknesses that only the unvaccinated will be affected by? Most likely the people they'd be targeting are the liberty minded ones as a lot of the survivalists, ron paul supporters, alex jones fans, etc are against vaccines. What does anybody think of this scenario?

A legitimate question but personally I would take my chances. They have developed biological weapons to target genotypes. Luckily, being a liberty luvin patriot is not a genotype

I havent read this whole thread and perhaps you are already aware but just in case: have you removed fluoride out of your child's water also?

 

[christagious]

A legitimate question but personally I would take my chances. They have developed biological weapons to target genotypes. Luckily, being a liberty luvin patriot is not a genotype

I havent read this whole thread and perhaps you are already aware but just in case: have you removed fluoride out of your child's water also?

Pretty much. We try to not drink our city water as much as possible. We almost always have bottled water (w/o fluoride) in our fridge.
I may try to remove the fluoride from the water if I win my run for city council next year.

 

[madengr]

I haven't read this whole thread and perhaps you are already aware but just in case: have you removed fluoride out of your child's water also?

Wow... My parents gave me fluoride tablets when I was little because we had well water. However they forgot to tell me I was supposed to become a simpleton conformist to the state. Never had bridges, crowns ,root canals, etc.. and don't plan on it. Better stick to "distilled water and pure grain alcohol".

 

[dannno]

Wow... My parents gave me fluoride tablets when I was little because we had well water. However they forgot to tell me I was supposed to become a simpleton conformist to the state. Never had bridges, crowns ,root canals, etc.. and don't plan on it. Better stick to "distilled water and pure grain alcohol".

I grew up in an area that was non-fluoridated and I've still never even had a cavity. I did use fluoride toothpaste, though.

Unfortunately there is also a fair concentration of fluoride in the food that we eat which is watered with fluoridated water..

 

[Kade]

A legitimate question but personally I would take my chances. They have developed biological weapons to target genotypes. Luckily, being a liberty luvin patriot is not a genotype

I havent read this whole thread and perhaps you are already aware but just in case: have you removed fluoride out of your child's water also?

Oooh Me me! oooh! Let me guess!!

Fluoridation of water is a socialist communist plot to deteriorate the health of Americans?

Am I right?

 

[LibertyOfOne]

No one is telling him to not do it, and by his post, he seems like he really doesn't want to. People have been telling him where to turn for advice and giving their opinions.

Do you have proof that vaccinations are 100% safe? Do you have documentation showing what is all included in every single vaccination? If so, please do provide this to us since you are 100% sure and KNOW that they are 100% safe.

I mean, you are telling him to not listen to others and listen to you, but why should he listen to you? You are telling him to keep doing the shots while others are telling him to ask professionals.

Do you have proof anything is a 100% safe? I mean damn. People worry about the smallest risks there is, yet give no second thought to driving, smoking, or the millions of other high risk ventures.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

You mean this propaganda?

First confirmed link to vaccines and autism:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/health/stories/2008/03/06/autism_0306.html

Mark my words, this will NOT be the last.

My mother went into her doctors' office about 3 weeks ago and noticed a sign on the door about a recalled vaccine. Recalled! It was already injected into people and they had to recall it! The sign also said that this vaccine was not the brand given to insured customers, only the uninsured. So they're administering faulty vaccines into people who can't afford insurance! Well hoorah.

No, in the article it says different.

"significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder" and resulted in a brain disorder "with features of autism spectrum disorder."

autism spectrum disorder != autism

 

[LibertyOfOne]

Avoid these shots since autism is now 1 in 75 kids. Eli Lilly is protected under the patriot act of being sued for wrongful death or injury. There are still vials tainted with mercury out there. Doctors are being lied to just as the general public are led to believe these vaccines are safe.

No there is not. There has never been a vaccine that contained elemental mercury in it. Stop spreading FUD. Thiomersal (INN) (C9H9HgNaO2S) is not mercury. You see when you put various elements into a compound you can get different properties than the elements that make up said compound. This is basic chemistry people. What next? Are going to say salt is deadly because it has chlorine in it? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Ninja Homer]

Oooh Me me! oooh! Let me guess!!

Fluoridation of water is a socialist communist plot to deteriorate the health of Americans?

Am I right?

Oooh... good guess, you were really close. It's a nazi plot for making people sterile and docile.

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

Actually, I studied this subject pretty thoroughly about 7 years ago, and I'm convinced that at least in the beginning this was no conspiracy. 50 or so years ago, when the FDA approved the use of sodium fluoride being added to water supplies, it was thought to be a win-win. It was thought to be good for teeth, and aluminum manufacturers had a crapload of sodium fluoride to get rid of because it's one of the by-products in their manufacturing process.

Since then, the truth has come out about it, and sodium fluoride just isn't good for you, especially when you get too much of it. There are a lot of cases of over-fluoridation, which is actually really bad for teeth. It is now thought to cause a lot of other health problems as well. There are natural forms of fluoride that are good for you found in plants, such as green tea, but it isn't the same stuff as what's added to drinking water.

By the way, for those people trying to avoid fluoride by drinking unfluoridated water, the human body will actually absorb a hell of a lot more fluoride through the skin while taking a shower than you can get by drinking it. To completely avoid sodium fluoride, you have to use a shower filter. The same goes for chlorine. You will also absorb all the chemicals into your body from any lotions or potions you put on your skin, so keep that in mind.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

Oooh... good guess, you were really close. It's a nazi plot for making people sterile and docile.

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

Actually, I studied this subject pretty thoroughly about 7 years ago, and I'm convinced that at least in the beginning this was no conspiracy. 50 or so years ago, when the FDA approved the use of sodium fluoride being added to water supplies, it was thought to be a win-win. It was thought to be good for teeth, and aluminum manufacturers had a crapload of sodium fluoride to get rid of because it's one of the by-products in their manufacturing process.

Since then, the truth has come out about it, and sodium fluoride just isn't good for you, especially when you get too much of it. There are a lot of cases of over-fluoridation, which is actually really bad for teeth. It is now thought to cause a lot of other health problems as well. There are natural forms of fluoride that are good for you found in plants, such as green tea, but it isn't the same stuff as what's added to drinking water.

By the way, for those people trying to avoid fluoride by drinking unfluoridated water, the human body will actually absorb a hell of a lot more fluoride through the skin while taking a shower than you can get by drinking it. To completely avoid sodium fluoride, you have to use a shower filter. The same goes for chlorine. You will also absorb all the chemicals into your body from any lotions or potions you put on your skin, so keep that in mind.

Could you possibly find a website with even more bullshit? Talk about no credibility at all. Anyone can host a website and rant and rave without providing sources. What do you know the website has a section dedicated to 911 "Truth".

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[Ninja Homer]

Could you possibly find a website with even more bullshit? Talk about no credibility at all. Anyone can host a website and rant and rave without providing sources. What do you know the website has a section dedicated to 911 "Truth".

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Sorry, maybe I should have used my <sarcasm> tag. I was joking about it being a nazi plot and just used the first search result of "fluoride nazi".

However, everything I wrote under the link is true.

 

[Raditude]

(Without reading through 20 pages, I'll answer the topic-starter.)

I admire your concern for the wellbeing of your child, but think of this logically.

1. Did you have vaccines? I'm not sure of your age, and what vaccines were available back then, but if you did have vaccines, you can probably look in the mirror, and honestly say that you turned out normal.

I was vaccinated several times growing up, and haven't had any problems. I don't get flu vaccines though, because I have a high immune system, and flu vaccines are not perfected. Most other vaccines remain the same from year to year, so once they got one that works, then they stick to it.

2 Several million children have been vaccinated, and as far as I know, the children are healthy, and still around, or have grown into adults.

3 By being vaccinated, you are not only protecting yourself, but protecting others by not getting the sickness and spreading it to others who haven't been vaccinated either.

The only time I wouldn't get a vaccine that is not perfected, is if there is an immune system disorder. You should talk to your doctor to determine if your daughter has an immune system disorder, but I'm sure the doctor would have figured it out by now.

 

[pinkmandy]

1. Did you have vaccines? I'm not sure of your age, and what vaccines were available back then, but if you did have vaccines, you can probably look in the mirror, and honestly say that you turned out normal.

We have gone from 5-8 vaccine compounds by school age to around 30 by the age of two- that's a huge increase and a lot of chemicals injected into the bloodstream. Not the same. It is nothing to take your child to the doctor for a well baby check up and have them inject your baby with FIVE different concoctions containing dead viruses, foreign dna, and carcinogens. My vet won't even do that to my dog- he gives 2 max at a time and is careful to note where each one is given so reactions can be monitored. Vaccinations were given to older children, not newborns and infants and even then there weren't that many.

I was vaccinated several times growing up, and haven't had any problems. I don't get flu vaccines though, because I have a high immune system, and flu vaccines are not perfected. Most other vaccines remain the same from year to year, so once they got one that works, then they stick to it.

Your experience- check into other experiences if you want a different view. I have met several people who didn't have that experience. A woman who had a perfect pregnancy, got a flu vax, and within 2 weeks her baby stopped growing. The child is now 2 years old and weighs about 13 lbs. She can't walk. She can't speak. I know another mother who lost her daughter to a 'bad batch'. She was compensated so I guess that's okay, huh?

2 Several million children have been vaccinated, and as far as I know, the children are healthy, and still around, or have grown into adults.

See #1. And the "healthy" bit is debateable.

3 By being vaccinated, you are not only protecting yourself, but protecting others by not getting the sickness and spreading it to others who haven't been vaccinated either.

By not vaccinating, you are putting yourself at risk of getting the diseases. You are not putting people who are vaccinated at risk. That argument is ridiculous. What do vaccinated people care if you aren't vaccinated? Doh. Or are they still at risk? How effective are the vaccinations? If they're effective then others have nothing to worry about, right? If they aren't effective then what's the point? Perhaps by vaccinating everyone for everything we're doing something similar to what the overuse of antibiotics is doing? Setting ourselves up for the creation of superbugs?

The only time I wouldn't get a vaccine that is not perfected, is if there is an immune system disorder. You should talk to your doctor to determine if your daughter has an immune system disorder, but I'm sure the doctor would have figured it out by now.

A 2 month old baby getting his first round of vaccinations isn't being tested for immune system disorders. Actually, their immune systems aren't even developed. It takes years for the immune system to mature, tinkering with it before then defies common sense. Especially since our scientists don't fully understand the immune system yet. They know not exactly what they are doing and have done no research on long term effects. Most literature you read is based on immediate effects.

 

[lucius]

Oooh Me me! oooh! Let me guess!!

Fluoridation of water is a socialist communist plot to deteriorate the health of Americans?

Am I right?

Water Fluoridation "Obsolete" According to Nobel Prize Scientist
Nations who still practice it "should feel ashamed of themselves"

On October 4, 2005, two members of the Fluoride Action Network -- Michael Connett and Chris Neurath -- traveled to Gothenburg, Sweden, to interview Dr. Arvid Carlsson, a famed pharmacologist at Gothenburg University and recent winner of the Nobel Prize in Medicine/Physiology.

In the 1970s, Dr. Carlsson was an outspoken opponent of two failed attempts to fluoridate water supplies in Sweden. Thanks in large part to his efforts, Sweden remains fluoridation free. As Carlsson notes, "nobody talks about [fluoridation] anymore" in Sweden.

As with the vast majority of western Europe, Sweden has rejected water fluoridation, but has still experienced the same decline in tooth decay as experienced in heavily fluoridated countries such as the United States.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/carlsson-interview.html

Watch Dr. Vyvyan Howard on Fluoride in Drinking Water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqMmoQgnXnA

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I've been reading about vaccinations and the dangers, and I've almost convinced my fiance to stop allowing the doctors to inject our 7 month old daughter with these toxins. She still has a mentality that they must do more good than bad because they're protecting her from diseases.
Anyways, I'm really worried about my daughter and I'm going to list off her vaccination record thus far and ask for some of you help and advice.

Here's her record so far:

Vaccine Dose Immunization Date

DTaP- 3- 1/19/2008

Hep B- 3- 1/16/2008

HIB- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 2- 11/20/2007

IPV- 1- 9/18/2007

HIB- 2- 11/20/2007

HIB- 1- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 2- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 1- 7/20/2007

DTaP- 2- 11/20/2007

DTaP- 1- 9/18/2007

She was born 7/20/2007, and to the best of my knowledge this is her complete shot record so far. Since by the looks of things she's received a lot so far would it be smarter to completely stop getting the shots or would that do some harm since she's already received some?
I'm not an expert on this subject and I want what is best for her, is there any way to reverse any affects these shots so far have had on her? She's a very smart baby and I don't want these poisons to hurt her. What can I do?
I live in Ohio, can I just tell the pediatrician that I no longer want her to receive the shots? I know the doctor will try to convince me otherwise so what kind of excuse can I use? I don't want her to get any more shots, I really need some help here. A friend of our family has started not giving her kids vaccines and has started to take her kids to the chiropractor instead of a pediatrician because they use more holistic medicine, should I do something like this? I"m not too worried about public schools having problems with no vaccinations because I plan on homeschooling anyways.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

My advice: do research on each vaccination. I don't think all vaccinations are dangerous. Just ignore the pediatrician. Google each one, do some of that sort of research.

 

[lucius]

...I havent read this whole thread and perhaps you are already aware but just in case: have you removed fluoride out of your child's water also?

Excellent advice and in-line with what the American Dental Association recommends:

New Fluoride Warning for Infants

http://www.mothering.com/sections/news_bulletins/november2006.html#fluoride

Does your drinking water contain added fluoride? If so, keep it away from infants under the age of one. This directive was issued recently by an unlikely source: the American Dental Association (ADA).

In a November 9th email alert sent to all of its members, the ADA noted that "Infants less than one year old may be getting more than the optimal amount of fluoride if their primary source of nutrition is powdered or liquid infant formula mixed with water containing fluoride." The ADA went on to advise: "If using a product that needs to be reconstituted, parents and caregivers should consider using water that has no or low levels of fluoride."

The ADA issued this advice because babies exposed to fluoridated water are at high risk for developing dental fluorosis—a defect of the teeth which can result in staining and even corrosion of the enamel. In addition, on October 14th, the Food and Drug Administration stated that fluoridated water marketed to infants cannot claim to reduce the risk of cavities.

Dental fluorosis is not the only risk stemming from a baby's exposure to fluoride. In the same week that ADA issued its advisory, an article in the British journal, The Lancet, reported that fluoride may damage a child's developing brain. The Lancet review described fluoride, along with the rocket fuel additive perchlorate, as an "emerging neurotoxic substance" due to evidence linking fluoride to lower IQs in children, and brain damage in animals.

"Newborn babies have undeveloped brains, and exposure to fluoride, a suspected neurotoxin, should be avoided," notes Hardy Limeback, a member of a 2006 National Research Council panel on fluoride toxicity, and former President of the Canadian Association of Dental Research.

Fluoride is linked with other health problems as well, including weakened bones, reduced thyroid activity, and possibly, bone cancer in boys, according to a recent report from a team of Harvard scientists, the US National Research Council and other recent studies.

While most of western Europe has abandoned the practice of adding fluoride to water, most US water supplies remain fluoridated. In addition, some brands of bottled water sold in the US, such as Nursery Water, specifically market fluoridated water for young babies.

A recent investigation by the Environmental Working Group (EWG) found that over-exposure to fluoride among infants is a widespread problem in most major American cities. EWG's study found that, on any given day, up to 60% of formula-fed babies in US cities were exceeding the Institute of Medicine's "upper tolerable" limit for fluoride.

"Water is supposed to be safe for everyone. Why add a chemical that makes it knowingly unfit for young children? The US should follow Europe's lead and end fluoridation," says Michael Connett, Project Director of the Fluoride Action Network.

For additional information, see: http://www.fluoridealert.org and http://www.ewg.org

Source:
Fluoride Action Network (FAN) & Environmental Working Group (EWG)

 

[lucius]

Wow... My parents gave me fluoride tablets when I was little because we had well water. However they forgot to tell me I was supposed to become a simpleton conformist to the state. Never had bridges, crowns ,root canals, etc.. and don't plan on it. Better stick to "distilled water and pure grain alcohol".

Key Findings - Fluoride's Topical vs. Systemic Effects:

When water fluoridation first began in the 1940s, dentists believed that fluoride's main benefit came from ingesting fluoride during the early years of life. This belief held sway for over 40 years.

However, it is now acknowledged by dental researchers to be incorrect. According to the Centers for Disease Control, fluoride's predominant effect is TOPICAL (direct contact with teeth) and not systemic (from ingestion).

Hence, there is no need to ingest fluoride to derive it's purported benefit for teeth.

As stated by the US Centers for Disease Control:

"Laboratory and epidemiologic research suggests that fluoride prevents dental caries predominately after eruption of the tooth into the mouth, and its actions primarily are topical for both adults and children" (CDC, 1999, MMWR 48: 933-940).

 

[lucius]

(Without reading through 20 pages, I'll answer the topic-starter.)

I admire your concern for the wellbeing of your child, but think of this logically.

1. Did you have vaccines? I'm not sure of your age, and what vaccines were available back then, but if you did have vaccines, you can probably look in the mirror, and honestly say that you turned out normal.

I was vaccinated several times growing up, and haven't had any problems. I don't get flu vaccines though, because I have a high immune system, and flu vaccines are not perfected. Most other vaccines remain the same from year to year, so once they got one that works, then they stick to it.

2 Several million children have been vaccinated, and as far as I know, the children are healthy, and still around, or have grown into adults.

3 By being vaccinated, you are not only protecting yourself, but protecting others by not getting the sickness and spreading it to others who haven't been vaccinated either.

The only time I wouldn't get a vaccine that is not perfected, is if there is an immune system disorder. You should talk to your doctor to determine if your daughter has an immune system disorder, but I'm sure the doctor would have figured it out by now.

Good chance that you will not live to be as old as your parents--some progress, huh?

"2000: the National Academy of Sciences reports that half of all pregnancies in the U.S. result in less than healthy babies. Up to one-third of the developmental defects in these babies were caused by exposure to toxic chemicals.

Half of all Americans now take at least one prescription drug every day; 25 percent of Americans take multiple prescription drugs every day.

The incidence of testicular cancer is now estimated to be four times higher than just 50 years earlier.

The Physicians for Social Responsibility releases a report describing "an epidemic of developmental, learning and behavioral disabilities" affecting an estimated 12 million children in the U.S. Evidence suggests the epidemic may be a result of toxic chemicals affecting the central nervous system of these children."

From 'The Hundred-Year Lie: How Food and Medicine Are Destroying Your Health' by Randall Fitzgerald (ISBN: 0525949518)

"When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies." ~U.S. Representative Ron Paul

 

[Anti Federalist]

You are lucky to be in a state that allows for philosophical exemptions. In Mississippi, we have to 'lie' and say we have a 'religous' objection in order to have a say in what shots our kids get. My advice would be research them and decide which shots you want her to have. Wait until she's older and spread them out over a long period of time.

My only comment in this thread:

EVERY state has an "exclusion" clause for either philosophical, religious or medical reasons.

http://www.nvic.org/state-site/legal-exemptions.htm

Search out the documents, some are more obscure in some states than others.

 

[Birdlady]

Mercury is bad for you in even the tiniest amount, so therefore you should never willingly put it in you.

Some people may remember that my health has always been really really crappy. Well I found out a few months back that I have mercury poisoning. I went through and did the DMPS challenge test and my levels were quite elevated. The interesting thing is that I haven't had a piece of fish in years. I think I am allergic to it because it makes me ill. I haven't had a vaccination since 6th grade (12 years ago). But the one thing I have had is a bunch of dental amalgams. My teeth have always been bad (and my water was full of fluoride as a kid).

I'm only 24 years old. My hair has fallen out. I feel like I'm 98 years old on most days. I was also recently diagnosed with Diabetes Insipidus, which causes my blood pressure to be extremely low due to severe dehydration. Hopefully once I get the mercury out of me that I might start to feel better and perhaps my hair will grow back.

Those of you willing to inject yourself and your children with mercury are playing Russian Roulette. A lot of these autoimmune diseases I suspect are caused from heavy metal poisoning. This is one thing that doctors won't talk about and usually laugh at you when you bring it up. So even though you "feel fine", I guarantee you there is some soft kill brewing inside you waiting to react. Waiting for the trigger. Some people it hits them early other it is later in their lives.

I wish I could arrange to allow you to experience one of my bad days just so you could feel what it is like to have a body full of mercury. It's not a laughing matter.