"Us vs Them" and Wall Street Protests

zach said:
It's time that we put aside our labels, find common ground, and go from there to determine how "We the People" - not "We the Ron Paul People" - can change this place. We're all human, and we're all struggling.
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Umm, Did you not see the "Ron Paul People" trying to explain this very thing to you 4 years ago, if this is the revolution that starts everything, then we will stay our course and offer people some information about how to begin changing this country. That is to get Ron Paul elected as POTUS, and when we am done with that I will join your protest.
 
Bump for significance seeing that "OWS" has now become a global phenomena.

Are your thoughts based on fear and division or liberty and revoLution?

These socialists and "leftists" are humans just like me and you, and yet, we're grouping them in the same box of evil and communist enablers without seeking any common ground like Ron Paul strives to do with his interactions. There is no reason to be self-righteous about our own movement and to dehumanize other people of other political leanings.

This transcends the left-right illusion.
 
Travlyr said:
Ending fiat money will put most banks out of business. The sooner we achieve that ... the sooner we return to prosperity for the people.
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Not true. From the end of the Second Bank of the U.S.; in 1836; to the creation of the FED in 1913; and excepting a period during the Civil War and Reconstruction; we had the era of Free Banking with a bi-metallic monetary system based mostly on silver but also gold. During this period, banks were chartered by the individual states.

Now, I'm not an economist, so I won't be able to expand beyond this brief explanation, but the trade in commodities serves a very useful free market function in that it evens out wild extremes in the prices of these commodities. So, while Wall Street has been corrupted, in a free market you will always have some form of middleman trade.
 
pcosmar said:
What was their excuse for expanding Government before Chaos?

Your statement makes no sense.

If we are peaceful and compliant,, the government expands.
If we protest,, the government expands.
If we elect Republicans the Government expands.
If we elect Democrats the Government expands.

If we KILL the Banking Industry, we may slow it down some. It is obvious the Banks will fight back.
They own both the Left and the Right.
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So basically you're in favor of having the government abolish private banks?
 
My fear of the OWS movement is that they will sell out to a demogogue like Obama who makes promises that he can't keep.
 
pcosmar said:
Private Banks. A novel Idea. Not opposed to it at all.
Do you know any that I can have my money in (if I had any) that are not intricately connected to the Federal Reserve and do not report my business to the Government or others?
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Nobody is forcing you to do business with any private bank. On the other hand, the government uses force to take away our freedoms and liberty on a daily basis.
 
Sematary said:
Do you think they are separated somehow?
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Wall street is made up of private individuals who contribute to our capitalistic system. The Federal Reserve is an unconstitutional central bank that inflates our currency and steals our money.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
So basically you're in favor of having the government abolish private banks?
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I am in favor of breaking up the Banking Cartel. Ending the Federal Reserve and their influence over virtually every bank in the country and Printing Fiat Money.

I am for ending the banking monopoly.
Nothing I have said included abolishing private banks.
 
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pcosmar said:
Yes. At present it is part of the Federal Reserve System. The banking monopoly needs to be broken up. The federal Reserve and all those affiliated with removed. (Tried and Jailed preferably,)
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So the solution is to kill the federal reserve so that we'll have a completely private banking system.
 
http://daviddegraw.org/2010/06/full...s-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/
It has now become evident to a critical mass that the Republican and Democratic parties, along with all three branches of our government, have been bought off by a well-organized Economic Elite who are tactically destroying our way of life. The harsh truth is that 99% of the US population no longer has political representation. The US economy, government and tax system is now blatantly rigged against us.

Current statistical societal indicators clearly demonstrate that a strategic attack has been launched and an analysis of current governmental policies prove that conditions for 99% of Americans will continue to deteriorate. The Economic Elite have engineered a financial coup and have brought war to our doorstep. . . and make no mistake, they have launched a war to eliminate the US middle class.

To those who feel I am using extreme rhetoric, I ask you to please take a few minutes of your time to hear me out and research the evidence put forth. The facts are there for the unprejudiced, rational and reasoned mind to absorb. It is the unfortunate reality of our current crisis.

Unless we all unite and organize on common ground, our very way of life and the ideals that our country was founded upon will continue to unravel.
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I would recommend reading the whole thing, it is long but makes and documents the case well.

And from the same site,
AmpedStatus is part of a decentralized movement that has two key goals:

1) Break up the "Too Big To Fail" banks and Federal Reserve.

2) End the system of political bribery (campaign finance, lobbying, revolving door.)

Unless we organize and take decisive action on these two core common ground issues, we will all suffer the consequences of our inaction.
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How do we end lobbying and prevent corporations from donating money to political candidates without violating the 1st amendment? It seems as though the only solutions to "stop wall street" involve bigger government.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
How do we end lobbying and prevent corporations from donating money to political candidates without violating the 1st amendment? It seems as though the only solutions to "stop wall street" involve bigger government.
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End the system of political bribery.

You can lobby without bribes and blackmail. (but bribes and blackmail are so much more effective)

Lets see. One possibility is that no legislation that benefits business is allowed. Period.
Tie the Governments hands so they can DO NO FAVORS.
 
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pcosmar said:

End the system of political bribery.

You can lobby without bribes and blackmail. (but bribes and blackmail are so much more effective)
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I believe bribery is already illegal. It just isn't enforced as well as it should be.
 
pcosmar said:

End the system of political bribery.

You can lobby without bribes and blackmail. (but bribes and blackmail are so much more effective)

Lets see. One possibility is that no legislation that benefits business is allowed. Period.
Tie the Governments hands so they can DO NO FAVORS.
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so you want the kind of capitalism where everybody is free to trade with their hands, except the government.
 
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