US to directly arm Kurds with Russian weaponry through CIA

[AngryCanadian]

Kurdistan has Oil thats the only real interest American Gov has in Kurds.

 

[Barrex]

that is a myth. My trusty dragon slayer (M16A4) here in the stan has been just fine. I have never had a jam in any of the 4 deserts on 3 continents I have shot the platform on.

The AK is not as reliable as people say and still requires regular maintenance. The M16/4 platform requires less maintenance than people think. I'd bet if they were offered the M16/4 platform they would jump all over it. The AK isn't a bad weapon, but the legend about it's reliability is just as much as myth as the myth that the m16/4 is jamomatic in the desert.

Funny, my cousin and most of the soldiers that were in war that I know, and I know a lot of them, say exactly the opposite: Soldiers prefer AKs and would throw away their M16s to take AKs.

*there are a lot of versions and a lot of countries that produce AKs. Those produced in Africa are of bad quality because metal that is used is of bad quality.

 

[Pericles]

Funny, my cousin and most of the soldiers that were in war that I know, and I know a lot of them, say exactly the opposite: Soldiers prefer AKs and would throw away their M16s to take AKs.

*there are a lot of versions and a lot of countries that produce AKs. Those produced in Africa are of bad quality because metal that is used is of bad quality.

When both sides are poorly trained, I see 4 to 5 dead guys with AKs to every dead guy with an AR.

When the side with the ARs resembles a real military organization the ratio increases to 10 to 20 dead guys with AKs for every dead guy with an AR.

 

[Demigod]

When both sides are poorly trained, I see 4 to 5 dead guys with AKs to every dead guy with an AR.

When the side with the ARs resembles a real military organization the ratio increases to 10 to 20 dead guys with AKs for every dead guy with an AR.

And where are you seeing all of this ?

 

[TheCount]

maybe that explains what happened to the Iraqi army, rather than the fact that the US disbanded it, and then tried to recreate an army in its image.

No, what happened to the Iraqi army is that in middle eastern cultures (horrible generalizations), loyalty to one's immediate family, tribe, sect, etc. holds more importance than loyalty to country, employer, profession, etcetc. You can't ask them to police or fight 'their own' and expect them to actually follow through.

 

[pcosmar]

When both sides are poorly trained, I see 4 to 5 dead guys with AKs to every dead guy with an AR.

When the side with the ARs resembles a real military organization the ratio increases to 10 to 20 dead guys with AKs for every dead guy with an AR.

Well after the artillery barrage and air strikes have taken out most, and guys that are heavily armored go against folks with no armor at all,,, that is likely.

They can pretty well mop up the shell shocked remains.

The M16 was a piece of shit in the 70s when I used them,, and yes,, I could keep it running..
I have some mechanical ability. I saw a lot of jammed rifles.

I lubed the shit out of mine,, and lubed it every magazine..

"never shit where you eat" The M16/AR does.. It dumps gas on the bolt and in it's throat,
It is no wonder that several companies make Piston refits for it,, and every manufacturer is making a Gas piston model.
it is and always has been a bad design.

 

[Barrex]

When both sides are poorly trained, I see 4 to 5 dead guys with AKs to every dead guy with an AR.

When the side with the ARs resembles a real military organization the ratio increases to 10 to 20 dead guys with AKs for every dead guy with an AR.

Well after the artillery barrage and air strikes have taken out most, and guys that are heavily armored go against folks with no armor at all,,, that is likely.

They can pretty well mop up the shell shocked remains.

 

[Uriel999]

Funny, my cousin and most of the soldiers that were in war that I know, and I know a lot of them, say exactly the opposite: Soldiers prefer AKs and would throw away their M16s to take AKs.

*there are a lot of versions and a lot of countries that produce AKs. Those produced in Africa are of bad quality because metal that is used is of bad quality.

Well you said soldiers...there is the problem.

 

[TheCount]

Kurdistan has Oil thats the only real interest American Gov has in Kurds.

We're so super interested in their oil that we're not letting them sell it to us.

 

[pcosmar]

We're so super interested in their oil that we're not letting them sell it to us.

That is one more reason I am skeptical of the present rhetoric.

 

[devil21]

We're so super interested in their oil that we're not letting them sell it to us.

Did you read the article? Lawsuits have been filed regarding the ownership of Kurd oil and the purchasers are not buying until that is resolved, lest they be hit with huge liabilities at a later date. Has nothing to do with "letting them sell it to us." The ownership of the oil is in dispute and the prudent business decision is to not purchase assets while the title of that asset is in dispute.

 

[francisco]

Why cant we invade a fun country where girls wear bikinis? Damn it.

What do you think they're wearing under those burkas? Maybe less than you think.

On edit: ask cajun about this...


...And brings to mind the expression "camel's nose under the tent"

 

[TheCount]

Did you read the article? Lawsuits have been filed regarding the ownership of Kurd oil and the purchasers are not buying until that is resolved, lest they be hit with huge liabilities at a later date. Has nothing to do with "letting them sell it to us." The ownership of the oil is in dispute and the prudent business decision is to not purchase assets while the title of that asset is in dispute.

If the US government recognized the KRG, it would instantly settle the issue.

 

[devil21]

If the US government recognized the KRG, it would instantly settle the issue.

How so? The article says (for whatever that's worth) that Kurd oil sales aren't banned by the US gov't in the first place. The refusal to purchase is a civil litigation matter.

 

[TheCount]

How so? The article says (for whatever that's worth) that Kurd oil sales aren't banned by the US gov't in the first place. The refusal to purchase is a civil litigation matter.

The two known U.S. buyers of Kurdish crude oil have now rejected delivery of cargoes from tankers near New Jersey and Texas, saying they will not make further purchases until it is determined who has the right to sell the oil: the central government of Iraq or the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG).

 

[devil21]

There's no gov't restriction on KRG oil being purchased by US companies. Keep moving the goal posts dude.

 

[TheCount]

There's no gov't restriction on KRG oil being purchased by US companies. Keep moving the goal posts dude.

The only reason that the Iraqi government has a possible claim on the oil is because the region is part of Iraq. If Kurdistan was independent from Iraq, it's fucking obvious that the Iraqi government would have no claim to ownership of the oil. I don't know how I could possibly make it any more clear than that.

 

[devil21]

The only reason that the Iraqi government has a possible claim on the oil is because the region is part of Iraq. If Kurdistan was independent from Iraq, it's fucking obvious that the Iraqi government would have no claim to ownership of the oil. I don't know how I could possibly make it any more clear than that.

And the goal posts move again. Now your argument is the dispute over the ownership of the oil is because an entire new country inside of Iraq hasn't been formed yet and if only a new country existed there would be no legal dispute? Ok well how can I argue with logic like that....

 

[TheCount]

And the goal posts move again. Now your argument is the dispute over the ownership of the oil is because an entire new country inside of Iraq hasn't been formed yet and if only a new country existed there would be no legal dispute? Ok well how can I argue with logic like that....

Both AngryCanadian and I referred to the area as Kurdistan. If you're unable to comprehend the conversation, that's not my problem.

 

[devil21]

Both AngryCanadian and I referred to the area as Kurdistan. If you're unable to comprehend the conversation, that's not my problem.

You posted the article and claimed it said something that it didn't. That's all. It's ok to be wrong.