Us supreme court schedules full conference to discuss nj citizen suit

[Gin]

I just figured out what the Forefathers meant with the 12th Amendment Section 1...

Immigrants can't be President.. but.... their children can....

Let me explain....

The Founders themselves immigrated here .. so they were the Only Immigrants that could be President.. after that an immigrant can't be President of the US, but their children if born in the US can be President....

To explain further...

Barak Obama can't be president if ONE of his Parents were considered an immigrant..... but.... His Children can once they are 35 yrs or older... but also having lived in the United States for 14 yrs...5 of which has to be prior to their run for Office.

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html

 

[Pericles]

children if born in the US can be President....



http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html

At the risk of repeating myself - where does it say must be born in the US?

 

[Gin]

SCOTUS is Moving Forward... More Good News...Looks like Justice Thomas at the very least thinks this case has merrit.


US SUPREME COURT TAKES EXTRAORDINARY EXPEDITED ACTION IN FAST TRACKING NJ CITIZEN SUIT CHALLENGING '08 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.


I am awaiting clarification from the Clerk's office at the United States Supreme Court as to whether my stay application has now been accepted in lieu of a more formal full petition for certiorari (and/or mandamus or prohibition). Such a transformation is a rare and significant emergency procedure. It was used in Bush v. Gore, a case I have relied on in my brief.


We do know the case has certainly been "DISTRIBUTED for Conference", a process usually reserved for full petitions of certiorari. Stays are usually dealt with in a different manner. As to a stay application, a single Justice may; a) deny the stay; b) grant the stay; c) refer the stay to the full Court.


My stay application was originally denied by Justice Souter. So, under Rule 22.4, I renewed it to Justice Thomas who did not deny it. The sparse reporting on this issue I have seen today has failed to stress how unique such a situation is to Supreme Court practice. The vast majority of stay applications are denied. And once denied, a renewed application is truly a desperate measure the success of which heralds one of the rarest birds in Supreme Court history.



The relief I requested, a stay of the national election and a finding that candidates Obama, McCain and Calero be held ineligible to hold the office of President, has also not been granted at this time. So that leaves option "c)": Justice Thomas has referred the case to the full court. That much is clear from looking at the docket.


What isn't clear is whether the full court has already examined the referral and taken the extraordinary action of accepting the stay application as if it were a full petition for writ of certiorari which was done in Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S.
98 at 98 (2000):

"The court ordered all manual recounts to begin at once. Governor Bush and Richard Cheney, Republican Candidates for the Presidency and Vice Presidency, filed an emergency application for a stay of this mandate. On December 9, we granted the application, treated the application as a petition for a writ of certiorari, and granted certiorari." (Emphasis added.
)


It's not clear that SCOTUS precedent would allow a stay application to be "DISTRIBUTED for Conference" without it first having been transformed by the court into a full petition. I don't know if such a transformation could be sanctioned by Justice Thomas by himself. Again, I'm waiting for an official disposition notice from the Clerk's office. Regardless, either the full court has set this for Conference, or Justice Thomas has done it on his own. Either way, it signifies an affirmative action inside the US Supreme Court testifying to the serious issues raised by this law suit.

Rather than explain the intense pre-requisites pertaining to a stay surviving denial, I've uploaded the following page from SUPREME COURT PRACTICE, 8th Edition, the ultimate SCOTUS resource:
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

Leo - LEO DONOFRIO APPEARING TONIGHT ON OVERNIGHT AM - NOV 21, 2008 AT 11:00 PM EST/10:00 PM CST
http://www.lanlamphere.com/audio/livejava.php

 

[RickyJ]

The Founders themselves immigrated here .. so they were the Only Immigrants that could be President.

No, the founders did not immigrate to the USA.

They moved to the British ruled colonies in America. No immigration was required since they were already British citizens.

The founders created the USA!
That's why they are called "founders."

 

[Number19]

The "founders" DID NOT immigrate here. Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Patrick Henry, Washington, Adams...these and most others were ALL BORN IN THE COLONIES, although Alexander Hamilton was born in the British West Indies.

 

[Gin]

Radio interview with Kenyan Embassy, Ambassdor confirms Obama born there
Posted November 22nd, 2008 by MargieOh

WRIF Radio – Detroit Michigan

Mike In The Morning Calls The Kenyan Embassy

Kenya Ambassador Confirms
Obama BORN IN KENYA!!!
11-21-8

Kenyan Ambassador plainly admits Obama was born in Kenya and that the location of his birth is "already an attraction" and that a monument may be built there by the government.

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p...
Listen beginning at 12:15 into the MP3 File on this page..

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

 

[Gin]

No, the founders did not immigrate to the USA.

They moved to the British ruled colonies in America. No immigration was required since they were already British citizens.

The founders created the USA!
That's why they are called "founders."

I stand corrected... If I am wrong, I am able to admit it....

But my point still remains... as stated elsewhere in this thread....

Just an FYI... The reason why this has become so important to myself and so many others, is the fact that as American Citizens we are continually asked to show our "Certified Birth Certificate" to get just about anything done in this country...it is only fair that Our President Elect has to do the same... The point is... if he was truely born in Hawaii, then why won't he simply let the American People see the Certified Copy that Includes which hospital he was born in? And what about going to school in Indonesia, relinquishing his "Natural Born Status" (if he was indeed born in Hawaii) How can one expect to earn the Respect of the very people you want to Lead without being upfront and honest.

The comparison to McCain is null as McCain did in fact produce his Birth Certificate AND His Medical Records..(and they were not photocopies on factcheck.org) Why shouldn't Obama do the same? Isn't it the law? If we let this go, then what else are we willing to "just let go" because to fight would mean being ridiculed or laughed at? I'm sure glad our Soldiers don't feel that way in battle.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Radio interview with Kenyan Embassy, Ambassdor confirms Obama born there
Posted November 22nd, 2008 by MargieOh

WRIF Radio – Detroit Michigan

Mike In The Morning Calls The Kenyan Embassy

Kenya Ambassador Confirms
Obama BORN IN KENYA!!!
11-21-8

Kenyan Ambassador plainly admits Obama was born in Kenya and that the location of his birth is "already an attraction" and that a monument may be built there by the government.

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p...
Listen beginning at 12:15 into the MP3 File on this page..

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916

Wow... the evidence is really stacking up!

To the people that say this case will accomplish nothing, think about it like this: If Obama gets disqualified due to not being born in the US, people will start to wonder why the McCain and Clinton campaigns didn't figure this out or even question it. Perhaps, they are in on this together? Perhaps the NWO is real?

We really need to see Obamas Birth Certificate, THAT is the only thing that can prove this case one way or another. The fact that Obama is ignoring this and has yet to simply present his BC, should put doubt in your mind. This case is worth pursuing...

 

[lynnf]

too much credit

Wow... the evidence is really stacking up!

To the people that say this case will accomplish nothing, think about it like this: If Obama gets disqualified due to not being born in the US, people will start to wonder why the McCain and Clinton campaigns didn't figure this out or even question it. Perhaps, they are in on this together? Perhaps the NWO is real?

We really need to see Obamas Birth Certificate, THAT is the only thing that can prove this case one way or another. The fact that Obama is ignoring this and has yet to simply present his BC, should put doubt in your mind. This case is worth pursuing...

I think the problem is you're giving both McCain and the Clintons too much credit. everyone asks this question.

the reason McCain didn't/wouldn't do anything with this is that he wouldn't pullout all the stops to get elected. whether he thought he could win anyway or he thought he was being ethical, he wouldn't do it as evidenced by his answer to the woman that said "Obama is an Arab". ("No, ma'am, he is honorable" [paraphrased])

the reason(s) for the Clintons not doing it could be many -- for one, she ran a basically incompetent campaign as evidenced by the ease with which Obama defeated her. yes she racked up a close tally, still loses. pretty sad for the "inevitable" candidate -- perhaps she really believed her own hype. so, she's not as savvy as many give her and Bill credit for. another reason might be that it would look bad for the "first black president" to dis the truly first viable black candidate -- would have lost all of the traditional black support that the Clintons had - and for any future runs or a cabinet post, also. Or, maybe Obama had the key to some of the skeletons in the Clinton closet and threatened to use them. I think it was a combination of all 3 and maybe more.


lynn

 

[lynnf]

which came first, chicken or the egg?

No, the founders did not immigrate to the USA.

They moved to the British ruled colonies in America. No immigration was required since they were already British citizens.

The founders created the USA!
That's why they are called "founders."

true, they didn't immigrate. but they had to grandfather themselves in because they could not be "natural born" since when they were born the U.S. didn't exist!


lynn

 

[Truth Warrior]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a SCOTUS "full conference"? Why not a hearing or a trial? Kinda just sounds like a sneaky closed door "deal" cook to me.

 

[lynnf]

let's conference

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a SCOTUS "full conference"? Why not a hearing or a trial? Kinda just sounds like a sneaky closed door "deal" cook to me.

conference is not unusual -- that's the way they do business in deciding what cases to take. see article

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscourtsystem/a/longconf.htm


excerpt:

Dateline: Sept. 26, 2005

The U.S. Supreme Court today begins its annual "long conference," during which the justices decide which of the over 1,000 cases filed over the past summer the Supreme Court will hear and decide.


lynn

 

[Truth Warrior]

conference is not unusual -- that's the way they do business in deciding what cases to take. see article

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscourtsystem/a/longconf.htm


excerpt:

Dateline: Sept. 26, 2005

The U.S. Supreme Court today begins its annual "long conference," during which the justices decide which of the over 1,000 cases filed over the past summer the Supreme Court will hear and decide.


lynn

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I AM aware of that process after all. The usual jointly agreed "take a pass on the toughies" process.

 

[lynnf]

miss manners answers your questions....

At the risk of repeating myself - where does it say must be born in the US?

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html

Article 2, section 1


"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."



lynn

 

[ClayTrainor]

Dont forget to DIGG this info!

http://digg.com/politics/Detroit_Michigan_Radio_Hosts_Prove_Obama_Was_Born_In_Kenya

 

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html

Article 2, section 1


"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."



lynn

Berg's suit seems to be the most solid on this issue.

According to US law, at the time of his birth, to be a natural born citizen, at least one parent had to be a US citizen, and had to have lived in the US for at least five years after attaining the age of 16.

BO's mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.

Now, snopes is claiming (of course) this is false, based on the law stating that only applies to those born outside the country.

That makes little sense, why require residency if it is addressing those born outside the US?

'Course, snopes fails to cite the USC or law in question.

What a freakin' mess.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Berg's suit seems to be the most solid on this issue.

According to US law, at the time of his birth, to be a natural born citizen, at least one parent had to be a US citizen, and had to have lived in the US for at least five years after attaining the age of 16.

BO's mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.

Now, snopes is claiming (of course) this is false, based on the law stating that only applies to those born outside the country.

That makes little sense, why require residency if it is addressing those born outside the US?

'Course, snopes fails to cite the USC or law in question.

What a freakin' mess.

I love it when the STATE devours their own.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

Thanks for all these Obama news updates... I wondered what happened to the Berg case, and now this one.

You have to admit this whole 'bama mess is a fascinating one.

It's just amazing the chaos that keeps on comin' on...

What a freaking mess, is right.

Do FDR's words ring true in this instance as well? Whatever happens in politics is no accident. If it happens, it was planned that way...?

Could be the whole thing is a purposeful sham... (why else would Obama not just cough up his BC for inspection?)

The next thing is to figure out WHY they would want this to be happening...

To start race riots?
To keep GW in office until he can be the dictator of his dreams?
To just keep the public antsy pantsy over finances AND their new president?
etc.. etc.

Remember both Obama and Hillary were in the same vicinity the same time the Bilderbergs met earlier this summer... everybody wondered if they didn't meet with them secretly because right after that weekend is when Obama took the reigns and Hillary did a stand down... Point being they WANTED Obama to take the lead, but what for if they knew it would come to this? Surely TPTB know his birth status. So there must be a reason...

 

[Pepsi]

to amend the constitution to let Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for President...

 

[Anti Federalist]

I love it when the STATE devours their own.

They ain't eatin' fast enough, if ya ask me...