Us supreme court schedules full conference to discuss nj citizen suit

[bojo68]

I'll believe all of this when I see it. I see links from past months of the Supreme Court having these cases filed and nothing happened. Why get excited about this one?? It's not going to happen.

Wouldn't want to BET on that would ya?

 

[nate895]

Wouldn't the ticket still retaint he votes? Wouldn't Obama just be disqualified and forced to give the top spot to Biden?

If Obama is disqualified before the votes are counted in Congress, his votes will be discounted. Since there would be no one with a majority, the Congress would then vote between the candidates for President (VP job is already taken) who were the top three, and since most likely no one but McCain and Obama got votes, McCain would be elected and we would have a split executive branch.

However, most likely if the SC rules that Obama is ineligible they will also order a new election be held, and for Bush to retain the Presidency until the new one is elected.

 

[brandon]

How would McCain take the Presidency if Obama were found to be ineligible?? McCain never received enough electoral votes so wouldn't it be Joe Biden who would take the oath of office and assume presidency since HE was elected with the necessary electoral votes?? (assuming the electoral college follows the results of November 4th)

From my understanding it is up to each state's electors. If the electors cannot vote for Obama, then they would most likely vote for the candidate that got the 2nd most votes in the state (McCain). Of course some of them would be faithless electors and vote for someone else all together. Most likely McCain could get the requisite Electoral Votes if this went down though.

 

[nate895]

From my understanding it is up to each state's electors. If the electors cannot vote for Obama, then they would most likely vote for the candidate that got the 2nd most votes in the state (McCain). Of course some of them would be faithless electors and vote for someone else all together. Most likely McCain could get the requisite Electoral Votes if this went down though.

The electors are loyal to the Democratic Party. When you voted for your candidate, you voted for a slate of electors who pledged to vote for him. If the ruling came down before the meeting of the electoral college and the SC didn't order a whole new Presidential cycle, the DNC or the Democratic National Convention of 2008 would meet and decide who their electors would vote for.

 

[brandon]

The electors are loyal to the Democratic Party. When you voted for your candidate, you voted for a slate of electors who pledged to vote for him. If the ruling came down before the meeting of the electoral college and the SC didn't order a whole new Presidential cycle, the DNC or the Democratic National Convention of 2008 would meet and decide who their electors would vote for.

You really think the DNC would do that? That would completely destroy their brand indentity. That would damage their party a million times more then W. hurt the GOP. I think they would have to give it to McCain.

 

[nate895]

You really think the DNC would do that? That would completely destroy their brand indentity. That would damage their party a million times more then W. hurt the GOP. I think they would have to give it to McCain.

That would destroy the public's confidence in government. Our government would have zero legitimacy, and for four years we would have a crisis of unmatched scale in the annals of history. We are, like it or not, the center of the "free" world, and we cannot have the leader of the free world be elected because his opponent was ineligible, not because he actually won the election.

The SC, given these facts, would determine that, without risking riots, a new election would have to be held. We'd have to go through the whole primary process and General Election all over again (though, undoubtedly in much shorter order).

 

[ghengis86]

That would destroy the public's confidence in government. Our government would have zero legitimacy, and for four years we would have a crisis of unmatched scale in the annals of history. We are, like it or not, the center of the "free" world, and we cannot have the leader of the free world be elected because his opponent was ineligible, not because he actually won the election.

The SC, given these facts, would determine that, without risking riots, a new election would have to be held. We'd have to go through the whole primary process and General Election all over again (though, undoubtedly in much shorter order).

we can only hope

 

[nate895]

we can only hope

The problem, since it is a "conservative" being elected, it will only serve to cause them to vote for a more radical socialist, or even to riot in favor of it.

 

[klamath]

The presidential candidates names on the ballots of the states mean absolutely nothing except the democratic or republican slate of electors were elected. They are not tied to vote for that candidate. If Obama is determined to be unelectable the majority of the electors will either vote for Biden or a possibly Hillary. If they can't make a decision on that then all bets are off but it will be a democrat. McCain will get 170 votes and not enought to win anything.
If 270 electoral votes are not cast for one person by a certain date I believe in January then it goes to the house of representitives.

 

[Number19]

Don't get your hopes up. If this case is decided on "natural born citizen", then Obama will be president. He was an American citizen at the time of his birth. The alternative to being a "natural born citizen" is to be an immigrant, who takes an oath of allegiance to the U.S. after revoking his prior citizenship, becoming a citizen by oath - the process of naturalization. The argument presented above is so weak, I wouldn't be surprised if no Justice voted to take the case further. The exception would be if evidence was presented that made the case that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

 

[klamath]

Don't get your hopes up. If this case is decided on "natural born citizen", then Obama will be president. He was an American citizen at the time of his birth. The alternative to being a "natural born citizen" is to be an immigrant, who takes an oath of allegiance to the U.S. after revoking his prior citizenship, becoming a citizen by oath - the process of naturalization. The argument presented above is so weak, I wouldn't be surprised if no Justice voted to take the case further. The exception would be if evidence was presented that made the case that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

If he was born in Hawaii to an American mother I can't see anyone saying that he isn't a natural born citizen. If the supreme court ruled he wasn't in this case I wouldn't blame the Obama supporters being furious even if I don't like his politics.
If on the other hand he was born in Kenya or elsewhere and lied about it then I might very well say we have a trojan horse.

 

[socialize_me]

Wouldn't want to BET on that would ya?

Yes, I would fucking mortgage my house against yours. C'mon put your nuts to the fire pansy.

It's not going to happen guys...it's fucking not going to happen. There's been half a dozen or so lawsuits filed and dismissed...filed and dismissed...the judges don't want to waste their time or the taxpayers' dollars based on some rather circumstantial evidence. The burden of proof is on "our" side and from what I've read, I'm not convinced.

 

[ghengis86]

Yes, I would fucking mortgage my house against yours. C'mon put your nuts to the fire pansy.

It's not going to happen guys...it's fucking not going to happen. There's been half a dozen or so lawsuits filed and dismissed...filed and dismissed...the judges don't want to waste their time or the taxpayers' dollars based on some rather circumstantial evidence. The burden of proof is on "our" side and from what I've read, I'm not convinced.

double that bet (through my mortgage in!), but for different (sort of reasons).

not going to happen. the berg case has much more merit, although this is an easy topic for any judge or judges to let go. you really think any judge has the nuts to make that call? no way no how. if i'm wrong, i'll see you at the riots. otherwise, hope all you want (as will I), but it ain't gonna happen

 

[Pericles]

Yes, by statute - a derived citizenship from statute - a "statutory" citizen to use language from prior written Supreme Court opinions.

But definitely McCain is not a native born citizen.

Now define native born citizen. If being a US citizen at birth is not native born, what is?

 

[fr33domfightr]

The electors are loyal to the Democratic Party. When you voted for your candidate, you voted for a slate of electors who pledged to vote for him. If the ruling came down before the meeting of the electoral college and the SC didn't order a whole new Presidential cycle, the DNC or the Democratic National Convention of 2008 would meet and decide who their electors would vote for.

I can see it now, President Hillary Rhodam Clinton....LOL!!


FF

 

[lynnf]

many remember the name Benedict Arnold

Y
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There's been half a dozen or so lawsuits filed and dismissed...filed and dismissed...the judges don't want to waste their time or the taxpayers' dollars based on some rather circumstantial evidence. The burden of proof is on "our" side and from what I've read, I'm not convinced.

the lower court rulings mean nothing, the lower level judges routinely deny standing or jurisdiction in order to pass the buck on up the chain. but at the upper levels, the judges have to worry about what will end up in history ... they could end up being either goats or heroes. what honest person (and even some dishonest) wants to go down in history as the one that killed the constitution?

lynn

 

[tremendoustie]

the lower court rulings mean nothing, the lower level judges routinely deny standing or jurisdiction in order to pass the buck on up the chain. but at the upper levels, the judges have to worry about what will end up in history ... they could end up being either goats or heroes. what honest person (and even some dishonest) wants to go down in history as the one that killed the constitution?

lynn

Umm, I don't think that's their #1 concern. They've been killing the constitution for a long time now.

 

[ghengis86]

the lower court rulings mean nothing, the lower level judges routinely deny standing or jurisdiction in order to pass the buck on up the chain. but at the upper levels, the judges have to worry about what will end up in history ... they could end up being either goats or heroes. what honest person (and even some dishonest) wants to go down in history as the one that killed the constitution?

lynn

no one judge will ever go down as having "killed the consitution"; all of us here argee that the constitution is dead for intents and purposes but can we point to one judge or decision that rendered it so? no, there a tens maybe hundreds of cases that have slowly chipped away parts here and there. take heller v. DC; some see it as a win for 2A rights, but the decision allows for 'reasonable' gun restrictions.

i'm sure the judges will find some way to issue a decision where it may appear that the consitution is upheld, but in reality another peice of the constitution will be ripped off the document and thrown in the trash

 

[AdamT]

Not a chance in hell of Obama being defeated over a mere "Constitutional" issue. The shock and aftermath from something like this would be devastating to both the government and the credibility of the MSM. They allowed this massive fraud known as Obama to continue and even let the American population vote on Nov. 4th for a man not qualified to be President. No way will they let their credibility be smashed like that. People would be in literal shock and would be pissed. TPTB don't like it when people find out they've been lied to and douped on such a massive scale.

If Obama was denied the Presidency, I would expect 9/11 truth to be broadcast on CNN the next day. There's too many high level interests involved in suppressing the truth. Not gonna happen.

Although I would pay to see it go down

 

[pauletteNV]

Sorry if posted elsewhere

11/21/08 Update from two sources:

As a quick update....here's the latest:

http://www.rense.com/general84/ken.htm

Kenya Ambassador Confirm - Obama BORN IN KENYA11-21-8
Kenyan Ambassador plainly admits Obama was born in Kenya and that the location of his birth is "already an attraction" and that a monument may be built there by the government.

Listen beginning at 12:15 into the MP3 File on this page...

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916
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Posted: November 21, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

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