US goes to war with Iran

[TheTexan]

Do you think there should be a world government power that is responsible for enforcing "no nukes"?

There doesn't need to be 1 single government entity responsible for it. There could be a dozen for all I care. Or 400.

As long as it gets the job done.

 

[nikcers]

Do you think there should be a world government power that is responsible for enforcing "no nukes"?

Nations should cooperate to prevent war with us.

A nuclear weapons program for aggressive countries is a declaration of war with the United States.

Even the use of nuclear weapons would be a declaration of world war 3.

We already have a government that imposes this.

We arent going to give that authority to anyone else.

 

[Madison320]

My position is that it's not even possible to use a nuclear weapon as self defense, due to the nature of the weapon. That'd be like strapping yourself with a suicide vest on a deadman switch and calling it self defense.

Your position is irrelevant. What matters is what governments think. And they think getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked. So attacking a country for developing nukes sends a mixed message. On the one hand it may prevent some countries from getting nukes because they're afraid of getting attacked specifically for developing nukes. On the other hand some countries may decide the upside of getting a nuke is more than the downside to getting caught.

So I'm against this pre-emptive strike because the benefits are unclear but the costs are high. Especially given our economic situation.

 

[Madison320]

There doesn't need to be 1 single government entity responsible for it. There could be a dozen for all I care. Or 400.

As long as it gets the job done.

Be careful what you ask for.

 

[nikcers]

Your position is irrelevant. What matters is what governments think. And they think getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked.

Well maybe they should stop listening to Russian propaganda if they think that.

The Russian government presents that nuclear argument to their people they rule and its called a big lie or a tale for the poor if you're slavic.

 

[TheTexan]

Your position is irrelevant. What matters is what governments think. And they think getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked. So attacking a country for developing nukes sends a mixed message. On the one hand it may prevent some countries from getting nukes because they're afraid of getting attacked specifically for developing nukes. On the other hand some countries may decide the upside of getting a nuke is more than the downside to getting caught.

I don't care if governments think getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked. Of course they think getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked. Because getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked - at least until global nuclear annihilation happens and they die with the rest of us.

It's not a question of whether or not governments want nuclear weapons. Every government wants a nuclear weapon. The whole point of the NPT is to prevent them from getting what they already want.

And not enforcing the NPT, is a sure as shit way to guarantee that countries begin to ignore the NPT.

If the goal is to prevent nuclear proliferation, letting Iran get nukes is the opposite of that.

 

[nikcers]

I don't care if governments think getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked. Of course they think getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked. Because getting a nuclear weapon will keep them from getting attacked - at least until global nuclear annihilation happens and they die with the rest of us.

It's not a question of whether or not governments want nuclear weapons. Every government wants a nuclear weapon. The whole point of the NPT is to prevent them from getting what they already want.

And not enforcing the NPT, is a sure as shit way to guarantee that countries begin to ignore the NPT.

If the goal is to prevent nuclear proliferation, letting Iran get nukes is the opposite of that.

Russia is being attacked as we speak.

Putin announced all of Ukraine is Russia.

Why does this happen if they have nukes?

 

[TheTexan]

Pretty much every government on earth wants the ability to mass murder with impunity.

That's what governments are.

It's our job, to stop them from doing that.

 

[TheTexan]

Russia is being attacked as we speak.

Putin announced all of Ukraine is Russia.

Why does this happen if they have nukes?

Because it's not really Russia. It's "Russia", at this point, not really Russia

 

[TheTexan]

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Not to mention the fact that, if we actually believe in self-determination (again, a necessary component of secession), then a “sovereign” nation pursuing its own defensive interests is not a crime.

And further - answer me this:

These countries that are acquiring nuclear weapons, do you think they would recognize my right to secede?

Or is it more likely that they would use their strength and perhaps their nukes to stop me from doing so?

Why the fuck should I be in favor of letting these lunatics have nukes?

 

[acptulsa]

Oh, look. Somebody is doing to @Swordsmyth what he does to libertarians...

Let's see how he likes it. Maybe that golden rule Sunday school lesson will finally penetrate his skull.

 

[acptulsa]

Why the fuck should I be in favor of letting these lunatics have nukes?

Because then you can worry less about the fact that you elect lunatics to mind the button which launches those other nukes.

 

[TheTexan]

Because then you can worry less about the fact that you elect lunatics to mind the button which launches those other nukes.

I don't elect them I don't vote, never have never will

 

[acptulsa]

I don't elect them I don't vote, never have never will

If you don't have the right to complain, nobody's letting you start a war.

 

[TheTexan]

If you don't have the right to complain, nobody's letting you start a war.

Challenge accepted

 

[acptulsa]

I don't know whether to trust the rumors about Mossad, but right in the middle is an extended Jeffrey Sachs excerpt that's a great listen.

Russia plays chess, China plays go, the US plays poker.

 

[ClaytonB]

The more you learn, the more you realize how absolutely batshit crazy the Western consensus really is...

 

[jmdrake]

I don't know whether to trust the rumors about Mossad, but right in the middle is an extended Jeffrey Sachs excerpt that's a great listen.

Russia plays chess, China plays go, the US plays poker.

Hmmmm......I saw this earlier. Iran apparently shut down the country's internet to stop Israeli spies from using it to control spy/kamikaze drones.

 

[Madison320]

Why the fuck should I be in favor of letting these lunatics have nukes?

If all you have to do is push the button labeled "No Nukes" then yeah, I'd be in favor of pushing the button.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm not even opposed to Israel just kicking everyone out of Gaza and building a few Trump resorts where their shitty gaza shacks used to be.

What I am opposed to, is entrapping them like cattle while they are forced to endure starvation and military attacks.

An honest developer purchases land to be redeveloped.

A dishonest developer uses intimidation, govt power, and eminent domain.

An evil developer drops bombs and kills the current residents.