US goes to war with Iran

[acptulsa]

? That's Trump's own tweet, not my words.

Trump is who I was talking to.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm inclined to think the first quoted paragraph is correct, and the American people are just along for the ride, regardless of what they think about it. But the author seems to be trying to have it both ways.

I noticed that as well, that the author, while making good points, that to so many of us are self evident already, he also spoke in generalities that were bound to trap him.

IOW: he still thinks we can vote our way out of this mess.

 

[unknown]

According to this guy, Scott Horton, Iran was not in violation.

Need someone to do a better job of communicating the same info.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I noticed that as well, that the author, while making good points, that to so many of us are self evident already, he also spoke in generalities that were bound to trap him.

IOW: he still thinks we can vote our way out of this mess.

Just so.

Republics become Empires - Empires do not become Republics.

America is an Empire now. It has been since the first half of the 20th century.

America as a Republic is long dead, and its corpse cannot be reanimated (and probably shouldn't be, even if it could).

It received a severe body blow (from which it never really recovered) when the Articles were overthrown and the Constitution was put in their place.

It was mortally wounded in the 1860s, and its twitching body finally expired in the 1910s.

Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together again.

There is no going back to the Republic. There is only going through the Empire - to whatever might lay beyond ...

 

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[Occam's Banana]

 

[Madison320]

They said they lacked proof that Iran was building a nuclear weapon.

We don't need that kind of proof. By the time we have that kind of proof it's already too late.

What we do have proof of is that they were intentionally violating the NPT and have been for decades.

And that's all the proof we need.

We have no debt, unlimited resources and a booming economy so we can easily prevent Iran, or any other country from obtaining nukes.

 

[nikcers]

We have no debt, unlimited resources and a booming economy so we can easily prevent Iran, or any other country from obtaining nukes.

How much does it cost to get nuked anyways?

 

[acptulsa]

How much does it cost to get nuked anyways?

See, guys? We were warned that AI would turn sociopathic.

We had better figure out how to afford EMPs, and quick! How much do you suppose those go for?

 

[nikcers]

Germany's government says its fine. Maybe they wont pull their gold out of New York.


"There is no reason for us, or for me personally, to criticize what Israel started a week ago, nor is there any reason to criticize what America did last weekend

The evidence that Iran is continuing on its path to building a nuclear weapon can no longer be seriously disputed,

Yes, it is not without risk, but leaving it as it was wasn't an option either"

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz

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www.reuters.com

 

[acptulsa]

German Chancellor

Always the first place I turn for advice on whether or not it's wise to start a world war.

 

[nikcers]

Just so.

Republics become Empires - Empires do not become Republics.

America is an Empire now. It has been since the first half of the 20th century.

America as a Republic is long dead, and its corpse cannot be reanimated (and probably shouldn't be, even if it could).

It received a severe body blow (from which it never really recovered) when the Articles were overthrown and the Constitution was put in their place.

It was mortally wounded in the 1860s, and its twitching body finally expired in the 1910s.

Humpty Dumpty cannot be put back together again.

There is no going back to the Republic. There is only going through the Empire - to whatever might lay beyond ...

I think the reports of the death of our republic are greatly exaggerated.

I haven't seen people this fired up about this country in my lifetime atleast.

I can't go a few miles without seeing someone with a US flag on their truck.

 

[Intrepid]

According to this guy, Scott Horton, Iran was not in violation.

Need someone to do a better job of communicating the same info.

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He's arguing as if the US/Israel intentions are to act in good faith and follow the rules of the treaty.

That is plain stupid.

 

[nikcers]

Always the first place I turn for advice on whether or not it's wise to start a world war.

I would rather have Germany as our friend than have to fight another war against them.

 

[acptulsa]

I would rather have Germany as our friend than have to fight another war against them.

Me: Dude's crazy. I don't think I'll follow him when he jumps off the roof.

AI bot: Aren't you scared he'll be mad at us if we don't?

No greater comedy than something trying to fearmonger you into suicide.

 

[Snowball]

btw. right now Israel and the US are telegraphing they want the fighting to stop.

Iran, from what I've read, is not yet ready and feels a need to respond to the American strikes.

Iran should take the ceasefire or "end" being proposed by Israel. The US strikes were indeed pinpointed and not surprises. If the reason why Iran won't (if they don't) stop is that they don't want Israel resupplied with interceptors, that's a bad reason.

The US has a very extensive presence in the region right now. It is in Iran's best interest to give them reasons to send most of it from whence it came, and reduce tensions in the immediate sense.

Iran can also use this time for its own purposes. I think that if Iran decides the path of "response" right now, they will get their assess thoroughly reamed by U.S. forces which are lying in wait.

Israel also has nuclear subs close by. I fail to see what is not satisfactory about Iran's already established deterrent and capabilites. They showed the world how tough they are and have lots of sympathy from the way this went down. It's a good time to call it quits.

If they don't, it's just going to reinforce the narrative against them, and I expect support for the war to gain traction in the U.S.

 

[CaptUSA]

Man, the Texan is really scared of the propaganda this time! I'm sure it'll turn out better than EVERY OTHER DAMNED propaganda campaign.

We know for a fact that the IAEA determined that Iran was in breach of IAEA terms. That much is a fact.

NO. The "FACT" is that 19 members of the 35 member panel of the IAEA signed a resolution that Iran was in breach. Russia, China and Burkina Faso voted against the U.S., British, French and German-sponsored resolution, 11 other countries abstained and 2 did not take part at all.

That is the "fact" to which you refer. Sounds a little different than the fear porn, eh?