US goes to war with Iran

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Only watched a minute, seems interesting.

 

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[acptulsa]

 

[TheTexan]

They said they lacked proof that Iran was building a nuclear weapon.

We don't need that kind of proof. By the time we have that kind of proof it's already too late.

What we do have proof of is that they were intentionally violating the NPT and have been for decades.

And that's all the proof we need.

 

[CaptUSA]

They said they lacked proof that Iran was building a nuclear weapon.

We don't need that kind of proof. By the time we have that kind of proof it's already too late.

What we do have proof of is that they were intentionally violating the NPT and have been for decades.

And that's all the proof we need.

Man, your satire is really coming back! Nice!

 

[TheTexan]

Man, your satire is really coming back! Nice!

Tell me how I'm wrong.

It's like election fraud: election laws are designed to monitor elections so that when fraud happens it can be found and prosecuted.

But if election laws are broken, as they always are, there is no way to prove that fraud happened, and then people are like "you have no proof that the election was stolen lol"

It's the same thing here.

We don't know if Iran was building a nuclear weapon, but we sure as shit know they were breaking the NPT accords they agreed to.

 

[acptulsa]

What we do have proof of is that they were intentionally violating the NPT and have been for decades.

At least they signed it. Why isn't Israel being bombed?

 

[TheTexan]

At least they signed it. Why isn't Israel being bombed?

Because Jews are sneaky and they managed to get nuclear weapons without attracting a lot of attention.

Iran tried to be sneaky but they aren't nearly as good at it as the Jews are.

 

[acptulsa]

Because Jews are sneaky and they managed to get nuclear weapons without attracting a lot of attention.

The zionists attracted enough attention to feel the need to assassinate a sitting president.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I like the piece AF posted earlier, and I pretty much agree with most of it.

But I have to say, going from this ...

The republic is no longer sovereign over its own foreign policy. The people are no longer consulted. Congress does not declare war, and presidents no longer seek its authority. Decisions of war and peace now reside with unelected actors, within the bureaucracy, the defense industry, and the donor class, whose priorities no election can reverse and whose loyalties often align not with the American nation, but with foreign interest groups that exercise outsized influence over policy in Washington.

... to this (just two paragraphs later) ...

The American people must now decide. Will they restore a republic defined by borders, interests, and identity? Or will they continue to underwrite an empire that squanders its blood in foreign deserts and calls it freedom?

gave me a pretty severe case of whiplash.

Which is it?

If the "American people must now decide" (and if that decision can make any difference), then how can it be that "[t]he republic is no longer sovereign over its own foreign policy [and t]he people are no longer consulted"?

IOW: If if is true that "[t]he republic is no longer sovereign over its own foreign policy [and t]he people are no longer consulted", then what difference can it make what the "American people [...] decide"?

I'm inclined to think the first quoted paragraph is correct, and the American people are just along for the ride, regardless of what they think about it. But the author seems to be trying to have it both ways.

 

[TheTexan]

The zionists attracted enough attention to feel the need to assassinate a sitting president.

Well, clearly it had the desired effect. Again, Iran just isn't as good at being an evil villain state as Israel is

 

[acptulsa]

Man, your satire is really coming back! Nice!

He's a natural.

 

[CaptUSA]

Tell me how I'm wrong.
(removed strawman)

We don't know if Iran was building a nuclear weapon, but we sure as shit know they were breaking the NPT accords they agreed to.

First, they haven't broken the parts of the NPT that they have ratified.
Second, they have been trying to renegotiate the JCPOA that Trump pulled us out of, and they have been willing to go back into the original deal that would limit their enrichment.
Third, they've stated they want to maintain enrichment as part of a deterrent strategy that makes total sense given Israel's language toward them and the fact that Israel's proxy has military bases surrounding their country.
Finally, I'm not sure we "sure as shit know" anything except what the Israeli government is telling us. The last IAEA vote was 19-3 with 11 other countries abstaining from the vote. Which appears to my eyes as the Global Regime could cajole most countries to either go with it or not go against it except for Russia, China, and Burkina Faso. (That same Global Regime that lied us into wars, Covid, election tampering, etc.)
Finally, finally, if there's one country in the ME that hasn't signed the NPF, allows no inspectors, has nuclear weapons, actively threatens their neighbors, and consistently acts on those threats, it isn't Iran.

 

[acptulsa]

The president of Iran walking through a massive crowd of his own citizens.

https://rumble.com/v6v7ab7-irans-prsident-mischt-sich-unter-demonstranten-und-ruft-zum-zusammenhalt-au.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_m

 

[TheTexan]

First, they haven't broken the parts of the NPT that they have ratified.

Yea, they have. Consistently and repeatedly. If you want to play the "akshually the parts they violated were never ratified" card then you can just throw that argument in the bin. Their leadership signed and agreed to these terms and they broke them.

Most recently they enriched past 60%. There is no use for that besides nuclear weapons.

Second, they have been trying to renegotiate the JCPOA that Trump pulled us out of, and they have been willing to go back into the original deal that would limit their enrichment.

Nah. Their current official policy is one of no negotiation. "We won't negotiate while under the threat of coercion" or something along those lines.

Which is just idiotic. The whole point of negotiation is to remove the threat of coercion.

And frankly - this isn't a negotiation. If we want a level of transparency they better damn well give us the level of transparency that we ask for.

Their only "negotiation" should be, "tell us what transparency you require and we will provide it to you".

Full and unlimited transparency is not that much to ask for.

Third, they've stated they want to maintain enrichment as part of a deterrent strategy that makes total sense given Israel's language toward them and the fact that Israel's proxy has military bases surrounding their country.

Well, that kind of proves the point that they did indeed want nuclear weapons. Or they wanted to be "closer" to building nuclear weapons.

The whole point of the NPT is that they are expected to abandon that desire.

I can understand the desire for wanting nukes as a deterrent. But life isn't fair, and if they choose to pursue that goal as they have, there are consequences for that.

Finally, I'm not sure we "sure as shit know" anything except what the Israeli government is telling us. The last IAEA vote was 19-3 with 11 other countries abstaining from the vote.

We know for a fact that the IAEA determined that Iran was in breach of IAEA terms. That much is a fact.

Whether you trust the IAEA is a different story. If you want to make the case that IAEA is a bunch of lying shitbags, I'm open to hearing that case, but I haven't seen any evidence to support that claim.

Besides, I don't think it's really in dispute that Iran has enriched to 60%. If that single fact alone is true, then it justifies all of this.

Finally, finally, if there's one country in the ME that hasn't signed the NPF, allows no inspectors, has nuclear weapons, actively threatens their neighbors, and consistently acts on those threats, it isn't Iran.

Yes and someone should have intervened before Israel was allowed to have nukes, because now it's too late.

 

[Snowball]

It is in the Democratic Party, you Democrat you.

? That's Trump's own tweet, not my words.

 

[Snowball]

Not sure if already posted.

AI by Palantir is what convinced Trump, IAEA, Israel that Iran was going for the bomb.

💥 The AI That Triggered a War: How Palantir and the IAEA Fueled Israel’s Strike on Iran - Military Cognizance

On June 12, 2025, Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, unleashing a fierce air campaign that struck Natanz, Esfahan, and attempted to penetrate the

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In the video above Alastair Croooke discussed today on Judging Freedom with his own intel confirming this