US goes to war with Iran

Rand Paul when he ran for president defended signing the letter.

I thought it was obvious what I said.

He spent 100s of thousands dollars on ads promoting his run for president and one of those ads said why he signed the letter.

Rand Paul essentially said when I am president Iran won't have nuclear missles. By signing that letter and then running for president and what that letter said.
Yeah....and like I said, HE DID WORSE IN THE PRIMARIES THAN DID HIS DAD IN 2008 AND 2012! So trying to out neocon the neocons is a losing strategy. Prior to running for Senate, Rand Paul said it didn't matter if Iran had a nuke, that they could be contained. More recently he warned against Trump bombing Iran's nuclear facility.



If you want to continue to hold Rand to his biggest moment of STUPIDITY because he thought he could fool the neocons into letting him into their club under cover, that's your problem.
 
Yeah....and like I said, HE DID WORSE IN THE PRIMARIES THAN DID HIS DAD IN 2008 AND 2012! So trying to out neocon the neocons is a losing strategy. Prior to running for Senate, Rand Paul said it didn't matter if Iran had a nuke, that they could be contained. More recently he warned against Trump bombing Iran's nuclear facility.



If you want to continue to hold Rand to his biggest moment of STUPIDITY because he thought he could fool the neocons into letting him into their club under cover, that's your problem.


His dad didnt run against Trump.

Trump polled ahead of all the Republicans in 2012 but he didnt run.
 
Some people don't want anyone to have guns. If gunpowder had never been invented the world would be a different place. But it has been.

At some point people will be able to print nuclear weapons with their 3d printers.

Until then, they have to be controlled.

It is still extremely practical and straight forward to control and monitor nuclear weapons.

But if we let every Tom Dick and Iran have a nuclear weapon, that changes quickly.
 
At some point people will be able to print nuclear weapons with their 3d printers.

Until then, they have to be controlled.

It is still extremely practical and straight forward to control and monitor nuclear weapons.

But if we let every Tom Dick and Iran have a nuclear weapon, that changes quickly.
Right. So you kill the Iranian negotiator who says he's willing to work towards Iran not having nukes. :rolleyes:

 
Right. So you kill the Iranian negotiator who says he's willing to work towards Iran not having nukes. :rolleyes:

Iranian negotiations haven't worked for 20 years.

We have had to sabotage their nuclear weapons program.

Thats the only thing that works with them.

Their negotiating was a stalling tactic and they keep lying.
 
Iranian negotiations haven't worked for 20 years.

We have had to sabotage their nuclear weapons program.

Thats the only thing that works with them.

Their negotiating was a stalling tactic and they keep lying.
1) Yeah they did.

2) No we didn't.

3) Complete BS from you a proven liar.

4) The stalling tactic has been 100% on Israel.

In addition, the United States conclusively proved it couldn't be trusted to negotiate after Ghadaffi 100% COOPERATED with EVERYTHING the U.S. demanded against got "liberated" from his life for his troubles and his country was tunred into a basket case. Iran isn't the untrustworthy neotiating partner. The United States is.
 
Right. So you kill the Iranian negotiator who says he's willing to work towards Iran not having nukes. :rolleyes:


To be fair, he doesn't seem to be very good at his job
 
1) Yeah they did.

2) No we didn't.

3) Complete BS from you a proven liar.

4) The stalling tactic has been 100% on Israel.

In addition, the United States conclusively proved it couldn't be trusted to negotiate after Ghadaffi 100% COOPERATED with EVERYTHING the U.S. demanded against got "liberated" from his life for his troubles and his country was tunred into a basket case. Iran isn't the untrustworthy neotiating partner. The United States is.
What do you think stuxnet was?

Iran won't cooperate if its not beneficial for them to cooperate.

This means without the credible threat of force they won't cooperate.

It means if its beneficial for them not to cooperate they wont cooperate.

Thats only logical.

Stuxnet is a malicious computer worm first uncovered on June 17, 2010, and thought to have been in development since at least 2005. Stuxnet targets supervisory control and data acquisition systems and is believed to be responsible for causing substantial damage to the Iran nuclear program.
 
Ukraine cooperated and we 100% backed them in a war defending against Russia.

Libya only collapsed because Russia intervened with their proxy military groups.
 
Right. So you kill the Iranian negotiator who says he's willing to work towards Iran not having nukes.

Neither side wants to stop shooting. Israel wants regime change and Iran didn't shoot first, so they're going to shoot last. Israel is counting on its older brother to step in, and Iran knows it can thump Israel in a fair (non-nuclear) fight if Israel is left hung out to dry.

Besides, their older brother may just be a scrawny Oriental, but he's sneaky.
 
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My thoughts on bombing Iran.

I don’t know anyone in America who has been the victim of a crime or killed by Iran, but I know many people who have been victims of crime committed by criminal illegal aliens or MURDERED by Cartel and Chinese fentanyl/drugs. Almost everyone in our country can relate to this fact. However America has not dropped bunker busters on the Cartel’s sophisticated drug tunnels, launched tomahawks on massive cartel poisonous drug operations, or gone to war against the cartels international terrorists networks.

Neocon warmongers beat their drums of war and act like Billy badasses going to war in countries most Americans have never seen and can’t find on a map, but never find the courage to go to war against the actual terrorists who actually do kill Americans, invade our land, and make BILLIONS doing it day after day, year after year.

I’m 51 years old. I’m GenX. I’ve watched our country go to war in foreign lands for foreign causes on behalf of foreign interests for as long as I can remember. I was in 10th grade when Desert Storm started and my father before me was sent to Vietnam, another senseless foreign war. America is $37 TRILLION in debt and all of these foreign wars have cost Americans TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of dollars that never benefited any American.

American troops have been killed and forever torn apart physically and mentally for regime change, foreign wars, and for military industrial base profits. I’m sick of it. I can easily say I support nuclear armed Israel’s right to defend themselves and also say at the same time I don’t want to fight or fund nuclear armed Israel’s wars. Nor any other country for that matter. I’m sick of funding foreign aid and foreign countries and foreign everything. I want to fund American interests and issues.

I want GREAT trade deals so American businesses and people can afford goods and be successful.I want low inflation and low interest rates.I want American construction, housing, and manufacturing to BOOM.

I want Americans to be rich and have security in their future.I want my children’s generation to HAVE A GREAT FUTURE!!!

My kids are 22, 25, and 27. It pisses me off beyond comprehension that my children’s generation can’t afford to buy a house, can’t afford insurance, and have little hope for their future!!! Americans are exhausted by all of this and rightfully so. I can also support President Trump and his great administration on many of the great things they are doing while disagreeing on bombing Iran and getting involved in a hot war that Israel started.

That’s not disloyalty. Critical thinking and having my own opinions is the most American thing ever.

Because contrary to what brainwashed Democrat boomers say, Trump is not a king, MAGA is not a cult, and President Trump has surrounded himself with people who once disagreed with him and even ran against him for President.

Also the same Democrats in Congress that are all of sudden clutching their pearls about Trump bombing Iran FULLY SUPPORTED AND VOTED TO FUND Dementia ridden Biden’s proxy war against Russia in Ukraine and stood by Biden’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Hypocrites is all they are and they are just desperately trying to find solid ground to oppose Trump on because so far they’ve failed at grasping anything yet.

Now what has been done is done and Americans now fear Iranian terrorists attacks on our own soil and being dragged into another war by Netanyahu when we weren’t even thinking about any of this a week ago.

We don’t know what the future holds and I pray for the safety of all people and an end to the constant demand for America to go to war.

Enough is enough.

10:53 AM · Jun 22, 2025"

 
The real reason for the war with Iran has nothing to do with uranium enrichment - it’s about a very different kind of enrichment…

They keep telling us this war is about Iran’s nuclear ambitions. But if you’ve been paying attention, you know that’s just the cover story.

This war isn’t about bombs. It’s about banks.

Iran is one of the last sovereign nations that hasn’t been absorbed into the Western-led financial system. It has its own central bank, it doesn’t bow to the IMF or World Bank, it doesn’t allow full-spectrum financial penetration from the likes of BlackRock, Vanguard, or JPMorgan. That makes it a problem for the globalist banksters.

Unlike other nations that folded into the “rules-based” system post-9/11 or after the Arab Spring, Iran never gave up full control of its monetary policy, energy sector, or capital markets. It’s one of the few remaining holdouts from the era before neoliberal globalization became gospel.

That’s the real threat.

Because the kind of capitalism that dominates today doesn’t just want trade deals—it wants total access. To your energy, to your debt, to your labor markets, to your political decisions. It’s about total control. And Iran refuses to be brought into that fold.

Iran doesn’t take marching orders from the IMF. It sells oil outside the dollar system. It talks openly about a multipolar world and backs up its talk with regional alliances, from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon.

This is what Washington, London, and Tel Aviv can’t tolerate—not because Iran is strong militarily, but because it’s economically disobedient.

The “nuclear threat” narrative is just the propaganda vehicle. It’s the same one they used in Iraq.

The goal is to justify dismantling a regime that won’t play ball with the bankers.

And this isn’t new. Every major military campaign of the past two decades—Libya, Iraq, even Ukraine in a different way—follows the same pattern: identify a state resisting global financial integration, frame it as a rogue actor, and bring it to heel through war, sanctions, or regime change.

Iran is just the next target.

So when you see the headlines, remember: this isn’t just about nukes. It’s about a country that won’t open its books, privatize its oil, or let Wall Street set its future. And for the controllers of the world, that kind of independence is the real weapon of mass destruction.

The globalists are persistent but not creative, they’ve been using the same playscript every time:

The first strike doesn’t come from fighter jets, it comes from central banks, sanctions, and financial isolation. The goal is to break a country’s sovereignty without firing a shot. Military action is just the final act. But the war starts in suits and spreadsheets.

Iran’s been under this kind of siege for decades. Sanctions, asset freezes, dollar blacklisting; it’s all part of the same routine. Cut the country off from SWIFT, kill its access to global credit, and then wait for inflation, unrest, and collapse. All dressed up in the language of “human rights” and “nonproliferation.”

When that doesn’t work, when a country like Iran refuses to fold, then the gloves come off.

What makes Iran so dangerous, from the perspective of the world’s power masters is that it learned how to survive this playbook. It built workarounds with China, Russia, and regional allies. It created internal resilience. It even managed to sell oil off-grid. It didn’t fold, and that defiance can’t be tolerated because if Iran can resist and survive, others might try too.

Iran is dangerous not because of its weapons, but because of its disobedience. It doesn’t answer to the IMF. It keeps its central bank independent. It trades oil without using dollars. It has survived decades of pressure without capitulating and that terrifies the financial elite.

And that’s the real threat.

Just like in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the financial war is phase one. The military war is phase two. The taking over the country through ‘reconstruction’ contracts and privatization deals is the endgame.

So don’t be fooled by the headlines about uranium and security. What’s really being targeted is independence—economic, political, and national. And the people doing it don’t wear uniforms. They wear suits, and they control the system from above.

The final phase of war is always dressed up as “rebuilding.” But what they really mean is looting.

Once a nation is bombed into submission—financially, militarily, or both—the suits return, not with tanks, but with contracts, debt packages, and asset seizures.

We’ve seen it before:

Iraq was turned into a free-market lab experiment after the U.S. invasion. Paul Bremer’s CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) issued orders to privatize state assets, deregulate foreign ownership, and open the oil sector to Western firms. The country was still burning, but ExxonMobil, Halliburton, and Bechtel were already cashing in. Iraq didn’t get rebuilt—it got carved up.

Libya was handed over to IMF-backed “technocrats” after Gaddafi was taken out. State-run banks were broken up, oil contracts re-written, and foreign capital flooded in. The country collapsed into chaos, but from a financial point of view, it was open for business.

And now, Ukraine. While the war still rages, BlackRock has already signed agreements to help “manage reconstruction”—a sanitized way of saying they’ll oversee the selling-off of what’s left. Farmland, infrastructure, energy grids—all on the table for foreign investors. It’s shock doctrine 101: destroy, destabilize, and then privatize.

This is the model. It’s not about war and peace. It’s about resetting the ownership structure of a country. Turning a resistant nation into a compliant, debt-dependent market.

Iran is the next prize.

If the pressure campaign succeeds—if sanctions, war, or internal collapse bring the government down—you’ll see the same vultures descend. The country will be restructured from the top down: oil opened up, central bank “modernized,” state industries sold off to foreign bidders, all under the banner of “reform.”

And who benefits? Not the Iranian people. Not the region. But the same global firms and institutions that helped design the collapse in the first place.

That’s why Iran is being targeted. Not because it’s a military threat, but because it’s not yet owned.

 
The real reason for the war with Iran has nothing to do with uranium enrichment - it’s about a very different kind of enrichment…

They keep telling us this war is about Iran’s nuclear ambitions. But if you’ve been paying attention, you know that’s just the cover story.

This war isn’t about bombs. It’s about banks.

Iran is one of the last sovereign nations that hasn’t been absorbed into the Western-led financial system. It has its own central bank, it doesn’t bow to the IMF or World Bank, it doesn’t allow full-spectrum financial penetration from the likes of BlackRock, Vanguard, or JPMorgan. That makes it a problem for the globalist banksters.

Unlike other nations that folded into the “rules-based” system post-9/11 or after the Arab Spring, Iran never gave up full control of its monetary policy, energy sector, or capital markets. It’s one of the few remaining holdouts from the era before neoliberal globalization became gospel.

That’s the real threat.

Because the kind of capitalism that dominates today doesn’t just want trade deals—it wants total access. To your energy, to your debt, to your labor markets, to your political decisions. It’s about total control. And Iran refuses to be brought into that fold.

Iran doesn’t take marching orders from the IMF. It sells oil outside the dollar system. It talks openly about a multipolar world and backs up its talk with regional alliances, from Iraq to Syria to Lebanon.

This is what Washington, London, and Tel Aviv can’t tolerate—not because Iran is strong militarily, but because it’s economically disobedient.

The “nuclear threat” narrative is just the propaganda vehicle. It’s the same one they used in Iraq.

The goal is to justify dismantling a regime that won’t play ball with the bankers.

And this isn’t new. Every major military campaign of the past two decades—Libya, Iraq, even Ukraine in a different way—follows the same pattern: identify a state resisting global financial integration, frame it as a rogue actor, and bring it to heel through war, sanctions, or regime change.

Iran is just the next target.

So when you see the headlines, remember: this isn’t just about nukes. It’s about a country that won’t open its books, privatize its oil, or let Wall Street set its future. And for the controllers of the world, that kind of independence is the real weapon of mass destruction.

The globalists are persistent but not creative, they’ve been using the same playscript every time:

The first strike doesn’t come from fighter jets, it comes from central banks, sanctions, and financial isolation. The goal is to break a country’s sovereignty without firing a shot. Military action is just the final act. But the war starts in suits and spreadsheets.

Iran’s been under this kind of siege for decades. Sanctions, asset freezes, dollar blacklisting; it’s all part of the same routine. Cut the country off from SWIFT, kill its access to global credit, and then wait for inflation, unrest, and collapse. All dressed up in the language of “human rights” and “nonproliferation.”

When that doesn’t work, when a country like Iran refuses to fold, then the gloves come off.

What makes Iran so dangerous, from the perspective of the world’s power masters is that it learned how to survive this playbook. It built workarounds with China, Russia, and regional allies. It created internal resilience. It even managed to sell oil off-grid. It didn’t fold, and that defiance can’t be tolerated because if Iran can resist and survive, others might try too.

Iran is dangerous not because of its weapons, but because of its disobedience. It doesn’t answer to the IMF. It keeps its central bank independent. It trades oil without using dollars. It has survived decades of pressure without capitulating and that terrifies the financial elite.

And that’s the real threat.

Just like in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, the financial war is phase one. The military war is phase two. The taking over the country through ‘reconstruction’ contracts and privatization deals is the endgame.

So don’t be fooled by the headlines about uranium and security. What’s really being targeted is independence—economic, political, and national. And the people doing it don’t wear uniforms. They wear suits, and they control the system from above.

The final phase of war is always dressed up as “rebuilding.” But what they really mean is looting.

Once a nation is bombed into submission—financially, militarily, or both—the suits return, not with tanks, but with contracts, debt packages, and asset seizures.

We’ve seen it before:

Iraq was turned into a free-market lab experiment after the U.S. invasion. Paul Bremer’s CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) issued orders to privatize state assets, deregulate foreign ownership, and open the oil sector to Western firms. The country was still burning, but ExxonMobil, Halliburton, and Bechtel were already cashing in. Iraq didn’t get rebuilt—it got carved up.

Libya was handed over to IMF-backed “technocrats” after Gaddafi was taken out. State-run banks were broken up, oil contracts re-written, and foreign capital flooded in. The country collapsed into chaos, but from a financial point of view, it was open for business.

And now, Ukraine. While the war still rages, BlackRock has already signed agreements to help “manage reconstruction”—a sanitized way of saying they’ll oversee the selling-off of what’s left. Farmland, infrastructure, energy grids—all on the table for foreign investors. It’s shock doctrine 101: destroy, destabilize, and then privatize.

This is the model. It’s not about war and peace. It’s about resetting the ownership structure of a country. Turning a resistant nation into a compliant, debt-dependent market.

Iran is the next prize.

If the pressure campaign succeeds—if sanctions, war, or internal collapse bring the government down—you’ll see the same vultures descend. The country will be restructured from the top down: oil opened up, central bank “modernized,” state industries sold off to foreign bidders, all under the banner of “reform.”

And who benefits? Not the Iranian people. Not the region. But the same global firms and institutions that helped design the collapse in the first place.

That’s why Iran is being targeted. Not because it’s a military threat, but because it’s not yet owned.

LMAO banks. Yeah its the evil banks yelling death to America and building missles that can hit NATO and destroy the free world democracy countries.

Why dont you go to Iran and try to protest against their government and economic system and see how fast you buy the farm?

Democratic capitalism is a good system.
 
I'd rather pay a small cost now than an extremely large cost later.

Small cost? Seriously?

From history we almost certainly know it's not going to be a small cost and we have no idea whether inaction would lead to a large cost later.

What should the US response be if:

- Russia arms Iran with a nuke.

- The bombs didn't destroy Iran's nuclear program and now they are actively trying to create a nuke.

- Iran attacks US bases in the region and kills our troops.

- Iran launches a 9-11 type terrorist attack on US soil.
 
Small cost? Seriously?

From history we almost certainly know it's not going to be a small cost and we have no idea whether inaction would lead to a large cost later.

What should the US response be if:

- Russia arms Iran with a nuke.

- The bombs didn't destroy Iran's nuclear program and now they are actively trying to create a nuke.

- Iran attacks US bases in the region and kills our troops.

- Iran launches a 9-11 type terrorist attack on US soil.
One nuke? Regime change.

If Iran gets a nuke its going to collapse. Thats final.

One nuke isnt enough to deter us.

No matter what it takes there will be no backing down.

No matter the source Iran can't have a nuke.
 
What do you think stuxnet was?

Iran won't cooperate if its not beneficial for them to cooperate.

This means without the credible threat of force they won't cooperate.

It means if its beneficial for them not to cooperate they wont cooperate.

Thats only logical.

Stuxnet is a malicious computer worm first uncovered on June 17, 2010, and thought to have been in development since at least 2005. Stuxnet targets supervisory control and data acquisition systems and is believed to be responsible for causing substantial damage to the Iran nuclear program.
1) Something that wouldn't have been necessary if Dubya had negotiated in good faith in 2003 and Obama hadn't show then U.S. couldn't be trusted by taking out Ghaddafi years later.

2) Who the hell would cooperate if it isn't beneficial?

3) Well DUH! That's obvious. Again NOBODY WOULD COOPERATE WITH ANYTHING THAT WOULDN'T BE BENEFICIAL!

4) It's illogical as hell for you to be making arguments 2 and 3.

5) And if Bush had taken the deal Iran offered in 2003, there wouldn't have been any need for Stuxnet.
 
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