URGENT! Senate Moves To Allow Military To arrest/hold Citizens W/O trial Vote Mon or Tues

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I will not disocurage calling and e-mailing but I think most of you know as well as I do that it will do nothing. Every single message they get could be against this and they will do it anyway.

The more we organize, the less they can get away with it. The system relies on taking us down individually, and can't stand when America is well organized against it. They're operating on the same principle as terrorists, using fear and bullying.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Why is the media no reporting this? Not just msm, nothing. Is somebody interpreting it wrong? In this day and age you can't pull a coverup of this magnitude off. I wrote my senators anyway, actually reading it before voting would be nice.

The reason we are having the problems we are having is media and informed citizens. It's been happening a long time, and it has to have been that great a magnitude for us to have gotten to where we are in the first place.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Listen guys, here's how it works:



You just have look at the article and how its parsed, without reading through 3000 pages of legal bullshit.

Wherever the president decides to use the military, under this bill, the military will have the "right" to detain anyone, indefinitely, without trial, even if a US citizen.

So all the president has to do is declare an emergency, call out the NG, or use the military for the Drug War, (which happens all the time) and there you go, "indefinite detention".

bump.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

If he can. Fillibuster only means making it take 60 votes to pass, now. One person can no longer talk it to death. If it is overwhelmingly going to pass, it doesn't help. But I am very interested in what he will do.

The closer it gets to election, the more effect a fillibuster by the son of a the candidate for president has on a bill like this. Wakes people up.

 

[sailingaway]

He has the opportunity for a moment to win admiration from his Dad's supporters, no question.

 

[libertygrl]

Where are the OWS crowd on this? Do they even know what's going on??

 

[CUnknown]

Where are the OWS crowd on this? Do they even know what's going on??

They're on Wall Street, thinking that Obama is well-intentioned but stymied by Republicans, and that their real enemy is Capitalism. *sigh*

 

[69360]

Where are the OWS crowd on this? Do they even know what's going on??

Sleeping in a tent in a park somewhere, thinking they make a difference.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Homeland security is already giving out grants to local police departments to buy drones - which are the same as the ones that can be outfitted with weapons at a later date.

Yup, they sure are.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/N...pons/-/1735978/4717922/-/59xnnez/-/index.html

 

[LibertyEagle]

Has everyone called their Senators about legislation? If not, get to it!!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Has everyone called their Senators about legislation? If not, get to it!!

Both lines for Shaheen and Ayotte (*spits three times*) went straight to voice mail.

Left messages and sent emails.

 

[sailingaway]

Where are the OWS crowd on this? Do they even know what's going on??

Heck, it will probably be tested on them.

 

[tod evans]

The more we organize, the less they can get away with it. The system relies on taking us down individually, and can't stand when America is well organized against it.

Ever hear of the term "conspiricy"?
Study how it applies to law.

 

[tremendoustie]

Don't let them fool you with the "doesn't apply to US citizens" clause -- that clause only exempts US citizens from the REQUIRED detainment clause -- it still allows the president (and sec of defense, if they submit a "waiver"), to indefinitely detain US citizens without a trial.

 

[buck000]

Here is the response to my email generated via the ACLU link:

Dear Friend:
Thank you for contacting me regarding the new provisions for detainees proposed in Sections 1031 and 1032 of S. 1253, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012. I welcome your thoughts and comments.

Section 1031 of the NDAA establishes guidelines to allow U.S. Armed Forces to detain “covered persons” captured during hostilities as unprivileged enemy combatants, pending disposition under the laws of war. The provision defines a “covered person” as a person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. This provision also applies to individuals who support al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.

Section 1032 requires U.S. Armed Forces to hold in custody as an unprivileged enemy combatant any person who is a member or part of al Qaeda or an affiliated entity, and who participated in planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. The requirement does not extend to citizens of the United States. Also, the Secretary of Defense is authorized to waive required detention.

S. 1253 has passed the Senate Armed Services Committee, and is currently awaiting consideration by the full Senate. Should this legislation be brought to the Senate floor, you may be certain that I will keep your views in mind.

I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope that you will not hesitate to contact me on any issue that is important to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison
United States Senator

Notice "she" is discussing S.1253 not S.1867.

I guess we're OK, then, as my Glorious Senators are Infallible.

I appreciate the clarification of concerns in previous posts...

 

[sailingaway]

Don't let them fool you with the "doesn't apply to US citizens" clause -- that clause only exempts US citizens from the REQUIRED detainment clause -- it still allows the president (and sec of defense, if they submit a "waiver"), to indefinitely detain US citizens without a trial.

I don't read it as even requiring a waiver for that. The waiver would be to end some of the protections for citizens, such as having to report to congress or be kept in confinement other than 'military', as I read it.

 

[seraphson]

Heck, it will probably be tested on them.

This is actually one of the first things I thought of when I read this Bill. And since "everyone" hates OWS it'll make it look like another excellent move by the Government. Just like the PATRIOT Act and the TSA and all these other policies that make the U.S. of A. the super duper safe place to live.

 

[sailingaway]

Here is the response to my email generated via the ACLU link:




Notice "she" is discussing S.1253 not S.1867.

I guess we're OK, then, as my Glorious Senators are Infallible.

I appreciate the clarification of concerns in previous posts...

that leaves out that a covered person could just have ties to someone ASSOCIATED with one of those groups, potentially even unknowing it. That is in there, too. That is what happened with the McCarthy stuff, people who were just garden variety liberals who went to 'feed the poor' meetings which behind the scenes got money from some targeted group, were painted as red, regardless of if they had any idea the 'front groups' were connected in any way. Only instead of losing a job, these sorts of connections could make a person legally 'disappear' without benefit of trial, until the war on terror is deemed 'over', with this legislation.

 

[KCIndy]

Has everyone called their Senators about legislation? If not, get to it!!

Both lines for Shaheen and Ayotte (*spits three times*) went straight to voice mail.

Left messages and sent emails.

Don't forget: If you can't get through on the phone, you can always send a fax. If you don't have a fax machine where you are, you can send a free fax from www.faxzero.com.

Here's a list of fax numbers for everyone in the Senate: http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm (Note: I have not had time to confirm every number listed here. You can also find your Senators' numbers at www.senate.gov but in most cases it takes a little longer.)

In post #30 of this thread, I posted a pre-written letter that anyone is free to copy/paste/fax from www.faxzero.com:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-trial-Vote-Mon-or-Tues&p=3784071#post3784071

Doing a cut/paste of the letter and sending FREE from www.faxzero.com takes less than five minutes. No charge and less than five minutes. What's your freedom worth?

 

[gb13]

SENT THIS OUT TODAY.

I want you to vote AGAINST S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, unless Sections 1031 and 1032 are REMOVED.

This is disgusting. I am so ashamed of my congress, I can barely even type this letter. Do you think the ACLU and every other organization with an eye on civil liberties will not take this all the way to the Supreme Court? I assure you, they will, and I will help them in their effort. Because anyone who votes for this bill in its current form is, quite simply, an enemy combatant against the Constitution of the United States and the liberty of the American people, and I will do everything in my lawful power to ensure that they are voted out of office, and if possible, criminally prosecuted. I will join with the ACLU and every Organization of red-blooded Americans who refuse to be "guilty until proven innocent", and work to overturn this slap-in-the-face from one of the worst congresses in the history of our country, and ensure that the politicians who back this bill be dealt the full political consequences of their irresponsible actions.

Please, do not be one of the bad guys on this. Stand up for liberty and the American way. The National Defense Authorization Act (S.1867) must be defeated.

How dare Congress even think of treating American citizens this way!

Do what is right by your countrymen and VOTE NO on this despicable piece of legislation.

Very truly yours;

gb13