University Report: A Room Full of White People Is a Microaggression

Well, Haiti was sanctioned, fully blockaded and forced to pay reparations for daring to free themselves.... ...that could not have impacted their history and stability any, do you think?

Oh, and 1915 - 1934. I don't see a whole lot of good happening then for the actual Haitian people then, either.

Oh, look, corvees forced upon the Haitians by the US. Look up "corvee", tell me what it means. LoL

You sound like an aging Soviet sympathsizer blaiming North Korea's problems on the sanctions.

Yes, France imposed a heavy debt on Haiti in 1825, which must have depressed it economically to some extent. That debt was settled in full by 1893. The American occupation, partially for geopolitical purposes and partly to collect debts, had nothing to do with that debt. The Haitian government from independence onward was horribly corrupt and incompetent and amassed gigantic debts of its own, nothing whatsoever to do with the French debt. The proximate cause of the US occupation was the total political chaos in Haiti in the preceding years, which both interrupted debt payments and opened to the door to European intervention (Europeans being the major creditors), which the US would not tolerate in the Western Hemisphere.

Haiti's fundamental problems were local in origin, having to do with the instability of its new government. It was and is a classic "anarcho-tyranny." Just like sub-Saharan Africa, and other post-colonial countries which had not already been civilized at the time of colonization. That is my whole point. This is how weak states behave. This is what states looked like in the early days of european civilization or any other civilization. There was no possibility of a functioning state emerging from within that society. Hence the value of a colonial state supported from outside. The training wheels were removed before the kid could balance properly.

And good one, just poo-pooing away 44 more years of THE MOST BRUTAL SLAVERY IN THE WORLD

Compared to what? The fabulous living conditions in modern Haiti?
 
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Compared to what? The fabulous living conditions in modern Haiti?

Ok, Ill take the side that says any Haitian would rather be dirt poor and live under poor government, than worked to DEATH by their late twenties to mid thirties, and be ruled by their slave masters, who they toiled to make rich.

Argument 1: DUH

Your go.
 
Ok, Ill take the side that says any Haitian would rather be dirt poor and live under poor government, than worked to DEATH by their late twenties to mid thirties, and be ruled by their slave masters, who they toiled to make rich.

Argument 1: DUH

Your go.

There's nothing more for me to say.

You did not respond to what I've already said.
 
There was no possibility of a functioning state emerging from within that society.

Blockades and forced reparation helped, HUH?
I mean, these benevolent Colonizers obviously just wanted what was best for Haiti!!

You're so full of shit.
The colonies never were for the people of the colonies. They always were for the collaborators and the colonizers. Duh.

We can go to the Congo, Africa, Asia, anywhere.

We can talk the filipino-American war, which American classrooms STILL DON'T teach because it was such a shit sandwich that flew in the face of EVERYTHING America supposedly stands for.

What you are telling me is the same reason America made for taking the Philippines from the Filipinos. It was bullshit back then, and it is bullshit now!

And you keep saying "civilized" Exactly what is "civilized"? The way the "civilized" Belgians treated the People of the Congo? The civilized way the Germans treated the Africans in German East Africa? What exactly is this "civilized" you speak of? Do you mean the "civilized" death camps of Nazi Germany? Perhaps the "civilized" civil war in the United States, and its "civilized" institution of slavery.
 
Blockades and forced reparation helped, HUH?

No, who said they helped?

I mean, these benevolent Colonizers obviously just wanted what was best for Haiti!!

Who said they did?

You're so full of shit.

Compelling argument

The colonies never were for the people of the colonies. They always were for the collaborators and the colonizers. Duh.

Who ever said anything to the contrary?

We can go to the Congo, Africa, Asia, anywhere.

We can talk the filipino-American war, which American classrooms STILL DON'T teach because it was such a shit sandwich that flew in the face of EVERYTHING America supposedly stands for.

What you are telling me is the same reason America made for taking the Philippines from the Filipinos. It was bullshit back then, and it is bullshit now!

It sounds like you're too overcome with emotion to think clearly.

I originally took your astounding misinterpretations of my statements as dishonesty.

Now I am certain that your problem is pathological.

And you keep saying "civilized" Exactly what is "civilized"?

The first condition is civil peace, which requires a stable state. The culmination is a liberal economic order.

It is a spectrum, or more accurately a journey.

Haiti or sub-Saharan Africa, for instance, were way to the left of the spectrum, at the very beginning of the journey toward civilization at the time of independence - and consequently went completely pear-shaped. Given enough time, they'll move rightward, further down the path, but their progress would have been more rapid had they never become independent. They also would be further along had they never been colonized in the first place.

The best possible scenario for the natives would have been colonization which never ended (or at least not for a long time after it historically did). This would have catapulted them ahead further along the path than they would have been left to their own devices.

The second best would have been no colonization at all. Under this scenario, they would have developed at their own natural pace.

The worst case scenario was what actually happened; the Europeans came, but then left too soon.

...and, not that it really matters, but one cannot blame the Europeans for that last bit. They were pushed out by the natives and by "enlightened" members of their own, who seriously misunderstood what would happen post-independence. Colonialism became a problem only because of anti-colonialism. And, one final item, just to ensure that your head reaches critical mass; colonialism was bad for the Europeans (the colonies were always a money-losing proposition) and good for the natives, while anti-colonialism was good for the Europeans (stopped the red ink) and bad for the natives.

*The colonial powers were not irrational. The enterprise was a loser for the country as a whole, but the costs and benefits were not equally distributed. People in power reaped the rewards, while taxpayers footed the bill.

The way the "civilized" Belgians treated the People of the Congo? The civilized way the Germans treated the Africans in German East Africa? What exactly is this "civilized" you speak of? Do you mean the "civilized" death camps of Nazi Germany? Perhaps the "civilized" civil war in the United States, and its "civilized" institution of slavery.

LOL
 
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Blockades and forced reparation helped, HUH?
I mean, these benevolent Colonizers obviously just wanted what was best for Haiti!!

You're so full of shit.
The colonies never were for the people of the colonies. They always were for the collaborators and the colonizers. Duh.

We can go to the Congo, Africa, Asia, anywhere.

We can talk the filipino-American war, which American classrooms STILL DON'T teach because it was such a shit sandwich that flew in the face of EVERYTHING America supposedly stands for.

What you are telling me is the same reason America made for taking the Philippines from the Filipinos. It was bullshit back then, and it is bullshit now!

And you keep saying "civilized" Exactly what is "civilized"? The way the "civilized" Belgians treated the People of the Congo? The civilized way the Germans treated the Africans in German East Africa? What exactly is this "civilized" you speak of? Do you mean the "civilized" death camps of Nazi Germany? Perhaps the "civilized" civil war in the United States, and its "civilized" institution of slavery.
+rep
 
I originally took your astounding misinterpretations of my statements as dishonesty.

There's nothing more for me to say.

Guess I misinterpreted that one too!


You don't fool me, bozo. Your storyline stinks to high hell, and I've exposed flaw after flaw to your logic and line of thinking, which in response, the best you can do is say I've misinterpreted, or misunderstood.

No, I understand completely. It's not like anything you are saying is new. It's old, rehashed imperialist rhetoric for colonization and slavery. Same shit as going into Iraq to spread democracy. Now that Iraq has been turned to a hell hole, people like you point and say "see, Muslims cant rule themselves, they are savages! they can't handle democracy! They were better off with a strongman! All they understand is power!"

Remember, you are the one that thinks 44 years of slavery and death is better than 211 years of "horrible" government, even though you do not recognize the slave master's government as "horrible". In fact, you call the slave masters "civilized" and the slaves "uncivilized". "Anarcho-tyranny", you apply not to the slave masters, thousands of miles from their homeland, and de facto rulers of the colony, but to the newly founded governments afterward trying to unify a mass of people with no common culture besides slavery, while under the full blockades of three of the most powerful nations in the world. You do not ascribe the label "anarcho-tyranny" to the US ships blockading Haiti, just because they were afraid the ideas of freedom might reach their own slaves, in their own "civilized" world.

Your whole world view is backwards. To even argue that colonialism is good for any country, is to show how much you really misunderstand the reason colonies exist. The Belgians didn't cut off hands and force corvees on the people of the Congo because they were trying to "civilize" them, fool They did it because they wanted free labor to milk the rubber to make themselves more rich and powerful, so they could spread like a cancer over Africa and force more africans to be slaves, even though slavery had already supposedly been outlawed in the civilized world.


Now take another hour to read up on essays and wiki articles about how the Belgians in the Congo were misunderstood, and how bad the Congo is now, compared to when it was ruled by the benevolent Belgians. I can't wait for your next sophomoric wikipedia article classroom report.
 
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It is a spectrum, or more accurately a journey.

Oh god, not another one of your spectrums. How about you explain your first spectrum, the one of racial intelligence, first.

Just lay it all out there, smart boy. Let the whole world see your zany theories on racial intelligence. This outta be good.
 
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Oh god, not another one of your spectrums. How about you explain your first spectrum, the one of racial intelligence, first.

Just lay it all out there, smart boy. Let the whole world see your zany theories on racial intelligence. This outta be good.

Won't it be like "The Bell Curve"?
 
That is true and I also heard that the folks who invented the disposable diaper, microwave, the washing machine, dish washer etc etc that made homemaking a lot easier where in collusion with the cultural Marxists in order to take women away from the home. Its all about taking women away from the home instead of the fact that the world has changed a lot since civil society emerged and gender roles cannot remain static while evrything around it changes

O gee, that was so clever, pat yourself on the back. As is typical with people who have no argument you have to make up absurd straw men because you can't address the actual issue.
 
So much bullshit in this thread.

I want to live in a society where men and women are free to pursue their life's goals in whatever pursuits that entails. I think cultures that don't allow for this choice are evil. I think cultures that have traditional roles, as long as they are voluntary and not coerced, are fine. Does this make me a cultural marxist?

I want to live in a society where the individual is treated with respect. Does this make me a cultural marxist?

I want to live in a society where the individual is treated equally under the law, not where the law is applied to ensure the equality of outcomes. Does this make me a cultural marxist?

I think some cultures are shit because they want the opposite of what I want. Does this make me a racist?

I think some people are superior to others because of what they've done, accomplished, think, and DO. Does this make me a racist, cultural marxist, or evil?

I think some people are evil for the same reasons listed above. What term do you have for people like me?






Please say extremist :)

-Smoke

Why would any of that make you a cultural marxist? Don't know anyone claiming traditional roles should be forced, but they should not be attacked either and there are natural traits unique to each sex that should not be ignored, are those traits absolutes for every single man, every single woman that must dictate their life, no, but they are the norm.
 
This just drives me crazy. American society in general has no idea of actual suffering. And it just goes to show you that people who fight so-called discrimination are not solving the problem. The whole culture of college and university has turned into a giant therapy session.

Oh, there is plenty of suffering in this country, it's just not happening to spoiled, bratty SJW's.
 
You use those phrases yet claim you're not a cultural marxist? I really would like you to come to my town and I'll introduce you to several women who are homemakers, I want you to tell them what they do is "subservient" I want you to tell them they don't have a real job, tell them they are not "empowered" and that caring for their kids somehow makes them less than a woman who goes out into the work force.

You most definitely are a cultural marxist if you believe caring for your home and children is subservience. It is a very difficult job, and yes, IT IS a job, and not only difficult but very important. I think it's sad you hold so little regard for parents who stay home and care for their children rather than dropping them off at some daycare center. Most men in traditional roles do not leave the home every day to go out and let the good times role, they do so to earn a living to provide for their families.

You're misunderstanding me.
I'm not saying being a home maker is 'subservient' or bad in any way; my stay-at-home mom was the hardest worker I knew. Being forced into home making, however, is a problem, and yes it does exist. Being discriminated against in the workforce because you are a woman and are expected to be making babies IS a problem. It's not one government can solve (just as government can't force others to respect the role of homemaker), though. Cultural attitudes should (I believe) become more accepting of women in either role they choose (just as it should allow for men to be stay at home dads).
 
You're misunderstanding me.
I'm not saying being a home maker is 'subservient' or bad in any way; my stay-at-home mom was the hardest worker I knew. Being forced into home making, however, is a problem, and yes it does exist. Being discriminated against in the workforce because you are a woman and are expected to be making babies IS a problem. It's not one government can solve (just as government can't force others to respect the role of homemaker), though. Cultural attitudes should (I believe) become more accepting of women in either role they choose (just as it should allow for men to be stay at home dads).

OK, I'd very much like to see your evidence on any of this, and when I say that I don't mean you go pluck out some rare exceptions, I mean I want you to demonstrate it is a common problem.

It's funny you say the baby thing because I have been in 3 serious relationships and every single time once I made it known that I did not want children she ended the relationship, now I just tell them up front and I've yet to get a 2nd date. Find me a woman who doesn't want to make babies, send her my way.

Look, you seem to be open minded, which is good, but it seems to me like you've bought into quite a bit of the feminist propaganda. Fact is, most women naturally want to be homemakers, and men physically are better suited to labor (tho many jobs aren't always physical), it's just how we are.

If some woman just has some burning desire to be " " and she can do so with no special laws or standards, I have no issue with it, but I can tell you most women are not looking to work and many of them now due to economic realities are being forced to.
 
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