UNITY!

qwerty

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UNITY is what Paulfestival is trying to create, it´s the only way to get something done. There´s just one thing we all must agree together "we all should be free". That´s really all we need to agree(on the prinsiples of freedom).

You can allways avoid talking to people and be unpolite to others but that don´t never ever get us anywhere. Just think what Ron Paul would do, how he has converted hundreds of thousands ? With insults ? No way.

Some people here really need to grow up or continue living in a fantasyland.

One of the best things about Ron is that he has BALLS to go infront of anybody and talk about his belifs, it really seems that many people don´t have that kind of balls.


Sorry to say but this revolution can´t be only about Ron Paul, if it is it will die when Ron Paul dies... :(


Ps. just think how Ron Paul has build up some coalitions wiht people like BARNEY FRANCK...really...

Remeber who benefits when they keep us the people divided...the status quo...

this is perfect,

 
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Will candidates from other 3rd Parties, besides Johnson who's been confirmed already, be invited also to Paul Fest?
 
If we lose these elections what does that mean ? We don´t have enough numbers to win.

How we get more people ? do we get them with insults and avoiding others or with real conversations ?

How did Ron Paul get you involved in the revolution ?
 
If we lose these elections what does that mean ? We don´t have enough numbers to win.

How we get more people ? do we get them with insults and avoiding others or with real conversations ?

How did Ron Paul get you involved in the revolution ?

I'm not complaining about uniting at all. I'm not even really complaining about Gary Johnson being at Paul Fest. The more the merrier, which is why I think it would be appropriate to invite the candidates from the other third parties as well.
 
I'm not complaining about uniting at all. I'm not even really complaining about Gary Johnson being at Paul Fest. The more the merrier, which is why I think it would be appropriate to invite the candidates from the other third parties as well.

ok, i misunderstood you...sorry... :D
 
Part of the reason the festival was started by Paul supporters was to build momentum up to the convention, where the final showdown will take place. This is not a Gary Johnson campaign event. And I swear, if that's what it turns into, the chances of me voting for the guy will vanish.
 
Be nice if there could be a few fence sitter dems giving speeches. Barney Frank, Kucinich for starters. Some anti-war types etc. You want UNITY, lets show some real balls.
 
Part of the reason the festival was started by Paul supporters was to build momentum up to the convention, where the final showdown will take place. This is not a Gary Johnson campaign event. And I swear, if that's what it turns into, the chances of me voting for the guy will vanish.

Johnson has 0 business being there.

We have to remember... unity or not... we are Republicans, we have to stay within the Republican Party to beat the NeoCons out and there's simply no room for people encouraging us to leave the front lines of the GOP for the sidelines of 3rd parties (which in the end, even if successful, would only help the Big Government Democrats and the NeoCons out).

I'm all for unity, but a man running against our party (even if he is running against Romney) being at this event only furthers the NeoCon attack that we aren't "real" republicans and that we aren't interested in "real" republican issues. It only harms the movement within the GOP further, and actually creates division between conservatives- which again, will only help the Democrats.

The best way to unite is to keep this limited to people within our party. People like Amash, Massie, Bills, Rand, Karen, Kerry, Bradley, ANY candidate or future player in the GOP should be there to unite us, not libertarians who are hell bent on riding Ron Paul's coat tails.

The only reason Gary Johnson is relevant is because of Ron Paul, it just goes to show that without staying in the party you really have 0 power (Even Johnson got the Lib nom because he started in the GOP). It's unfortunate the game's been rigged that way but IT HAS been rigged that way. The best way to fix it is to take over one of the two parties that is actually in control.

Gary Johnson isn't going to help that, no 3rd party people will, and ALL OF THEM should not be allowed to attend.
 
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Be nice if there could be a few fence sitter dems giving speeches. Barney Frank, Kucinich for starters. Some anti-war types etc. You want UNITY, lets show some real balls.

Put Kucinich in the same bag with all the other corrupt politicians. He just voted "Nay" to put Eric Holder (of Fast and Furious fame) in contempt. The guy is a party loyalist.
 
Put Kucinich in the same bag with all the other corrupt politicians. He just voted "Nay" to put Eric Holder (of Fast and Furious fame) in contempt. The guy is a party loyalist.

yeah..understood. So much for unity then eh?
 
Part of the reason the festival was started by Paul supporters was to build momentum up to the convention, where the final showdown will take place. This is not a Gary Johnson campaign event. And I swear, if that's what it turns into, the chances of me voting for the guy will vanish.

I agree, this is to celebrate Ron. That is WHY people wanted it to be Paul fest not Freedom Fest. And while people can consider whomever they want in the freedom movement, and disagree on who is or who isn't in it, that particular forum is absolutely all about Ron.

I also think having Gary there is divisive, but people just don't have to go that day and those who want to can. I'm not the one doing the work to put it on, so I don't have a say in who speaks there. But promote Gary at gary's forum or at least in opposing candidates. Not in Ron's campaign forum.
 
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i began posting here in 2008 after i had a very high opinion about dennis kucinich's sense of ethics and mike gravel's internet actualized ideas
as i increasingly began to realize their presidential bids were going no~place fast. normally i might have advocated backing ralph nader but there
was another determined ploitician who was not in it to loot the gov't badly or at all should he go the total distance. as i started to post i got way
more comfortable with the idea of ron paul's candidacy. here we are four & a half years later and like you all i'm trying to find a way to keep the
gains we have made from vannishing into the internet aether. i want us as all to solidly build on the positives as we turn the economy around.
 
Johnson has 0 business being there.

We have to remember... unity or not... we are Republicans, we have to stay within the Republican Party to beat the NeoCons out and there's simply no room for people encouraging us to leave the front lines of the GOP for the sidelines of 3rd parties (which in the end, even if successful, would only help the Big Government Democrats and the NeoCons out).

We are not Republicans, we are libertarians. Most of us may be affiliated with the Republican party, and most of us think that using the GOP to gain political power is a smart strategy, but if you placed us on the political axis based on the sum of our issue positions, we'd all fall into the libertarian quadrant.

I'm all for unity, but a man running against our party (even if he is running against Romney) being at this event only furthers the NeoCon attack that we aren't "real" republicans and that we aren't interested in "real" republican issues. It only harms the movement within the GOP further, and actually creates division between conservatives- which again, will only help the Democrats.

Disagree. We have Rand working the GOP angle, and quite a few great GOP candidates in 2012. We don't lose GOP cred by supporting another candidate in the general.

The best way to unite is to keep this limited to people within our party. People like Amash, Massie, Bills, Rand, Karen, Kerry, Bradley, ANY candidate or future player in the GOP should be there to unite us, not libertarians who are hell bent on riding Ron Paul's coat tails.

Gary Johnson is not riding on Ron Paul's coat tails - they have both been active advocates in the libertarian movement since long before Paul became popular.

The only reason Gary Johnson is relevant is because of Ron Paul, it just goes to show that without staying in the party you really have 0 power (Even Johnson got the Lib nom because he started in the GOP). It's unfortunate the game's been rigged that way but IT HAS been rigged that way. The best way to fix it is to take over one of the two parties that is actually in control.

The LP has been in love with Johnson since he held office, so his nomination has nothing to do with this primary season. And supporting him in the general has no negative effect on our work within the GOP. Perhaps if Rand Paul gets the 2012 VP nod we can take another look at the situation, but as it stands our work in the GOP is totally safe.
 
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Remember, remember ye’ REVOLUTION ...That about sums it up, heh.
 
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Perhaps by the time the festival comes around, Gary will have finished reading Economics In One Lesson and For A New Liberty.
 
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