Tucker will Move to New Party with Buchanan and Ron Paul if Giuliani gets the Nom

[DrStrabismus]

They don't really seem serious, but I hope they are!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0mO_IXeDAc

 

[mrapathy]

dont think thats anything new for Pat.

LP party is looking good but Republican and Democrats have the reigns to pretty well hurt 3rd parties from progress.

back in 2004 I saw Republicans leave for Libertarian Party. Ron Paul is bringing them back in somewhat. if Ron Paul doesnt get anywhere will shift back possibly be bigger leaving the NeoCons.

NeoCons just dont occupy the Republican party plenty of Democrats as well. nearly forming one party of say one thing do another for special interest.

 

[Misesian]

Guys,

This is a very interesting topic here.

History tell us that this basically IS going to happen. We're in the 5th party system right now. It's only time until we enter the sixth party system.

I predict it will be something along the lines of the fascosocialists, centrists, and the Constitutionalists.

The LP/CP/AFP would have to merge along with the Ron Paul's and Pat Buchanan's of the GOP, and whomever in the Democratic Party is ready to come back to liberty.

I really wish that first these 3 liberty/Constitution based 3rd parties would merge and simply focus on the local and state elections.

 

[Therion]

Doesn't matter. Giuliani isn't going to get the nom- his campaign has been slipping downhill and once F. Thompson enters he's crushed.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Doesn't matter. Giuliani isn't going to get the nom- his campaign has been slipping downhill and once F. Thompson enters he's crushed.

Honestly, I think F. Thompson entering is great for our guy. All that means is the neocon wing of the party get's another stuffed suit to divide their votes. RP was never going to win the support of the fascist dead-enders anyway, so the more they divide their votes the better.

 

[exomniac]

Honestly, I think F. Thompson entering is great for our guy. All that means is the neocon wing of the party get's another stuffed suit to divide their votes. RP was never going to win the support of the fascist dead-enders anyway, so the more they divide their votes the better.

That's a great point. Let him in.

 

[Arkris]

Honestly, I think F. Thompson entering is great for our guy. All that means is the neocon wing of the party get's another stuffed suit to divide their votes. RP was never going to win the support of the fascist dead-enders anyway, so the more they divide their votes the better.

I was worried about Frank Thompson entering the primary, because he would get the Republicans that aren't satisfied with the current candidates, whom I was hoping would join the Ron Paul ticket. But, I hadn't realized that it would also further split the vote of the "front-runners", helping Ron Paul and his die-hard supporters. Great point!

If Frank Thompson decides to run I'd like to shake his hand!

 

[X_805]

Honestly, I think F. Thompson entering is great for our guy. All that means is the neocon wing of the party get's another stuffed suit to divide their votes. RP was never going to win the support of the fascist dead-enders anyway, so the more they divide their votes the better.

But most people who are disenchanted with the current "front-runners" actually think F. Thompson is a conservative and probably won't find out he isn't until after the nomination process. Most people think he is truly a conservative because he can act it.

 

[idrake]

>Constitutionalists

I think this is already taken by some group that's hijacked the phrase and bastardized it into meaning something else.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/mission_statement.php
"Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations"

Elsewhere on the site they reference Common Sense from Thomas Paine as inspiration, though he was an outspoken atheist (sorry, meant DEIST:o ). They like the Constitution, so long as they can ignore the part about the separation of church and state.

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About Fred Thompson

Trying to think about RP in the context of existing Republicans is too narrow minded. RP is the ONLY republican attracting democrats, independents, and the apathetic into the GOP.

Frankly, I don't think dems are too happy with their choices. I mean, Hillary Clinton? Even if I loved her policies, I still don't want the US to be an oligopoly (20+ years of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Jeb?). And Obama has a great message of hope and a nice smile, but beyond that doesn't have much else to offer.

Anyway, my point is, RP needs (and is getting) new blood in the GOP. These people need to know what they can to do to help. Donate -> Register Republican -> Vote in primary.

 

[lbadragan]

Elsewhere on the site they reference Common Sense from Thomas Paine as inspiration, though he was an outspoken atheist.

Where in the world would you get the idea that Thomas Paine was an atheist???

He was a DEIST and he says so in "The Age Of Reason".

"I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life. I believe the equality of man, and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy."

Thomas Paine

 

[idrake]

>He was a DEIST and he says so in "The Age Of Reason".

Yes, you are absolutely right. It's late (EST), please forgive my slip.

Thomas Paine the DEIST wrote:
"The opinions I have advanced… are the effect of the most clear and long-established conviction that the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism"

 

[lbadragan]

>He was a DEIST and he says so in "The Age Of Reason".

Yes, you are absolutely right. It's late (EST), please forgive my slip.

Thomas Paine the DEIST wrote:
"The opinions I have advanced… are the effect of the most clear and long-established conviction that the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism"

No problem, sorry I jumped on you but Thomas Paine is one of my heroes and I didn't want his positions misrepresented. He was a truly independent thinker and he suffered immensely for it. Paine was a true patriot and a man of integrity. I wish more Americans would read his material.

 

[mdh]

Guys,

This is a very interesting topic here.

History tell us that this basically IS going to happen. We're in the 5th party system right now. It's only time until we enter the sixth party system.

I predict it will be something along the lines of the fascosocialists, centrists, and the Constitutionalists.

The LP/CP/AFP would have to merge along with the Ron Paul's and Pat Buchanan's of the GOP, and whomever in the Democratic Party is ready to come back to liberty.

I really wish that first these 3 liberty/Constitution based 3rd parties would merge and simply focus on the local and state elections.

This is the first I've heard of the AFP, but it seems even farther right than the CP... I don't know that the LP and AFP would get on that well (if you'll remember, the CP formed pretty much because they thought us LP'ers were a bunch of smot poking hippies...) The LP is even a bit left for me on some things like border policy, but I'm not a Christian and don't believe in theocratic values being imposed on society, so it's the best fit overall. Anyways, a conglomerate like that is just asking for in-fighting and never agreeing on platforms.
Add to that the fact that ballot access and other election-time problems prevent any third party from gaining real traction, and the perceived inability of the LP national folks to be effective efficiently, it's just really difficult to go anywhere as a third party candidate. Part of what makes Dr. Paul viable is his being a Republican candidate. If he hadn't gotten the exposure he did from the Republican debates and coverage based on those performances, a good 80% of current supporters wouldn't be around, probably wouldn't even be familiar with Dr. Paul and his message.

 

[literatim]

They like the Constitution, so long as they can ignore the part about the separation of church and state.

There is no seperation of church and state in the Constitution.

 

[idrake]

There is no seperation of church and state in the Constitution.

the part about not establishing religion suggests that the government should stay out of religious affairs. that is the basis for the seperation of church and state. I do agree it's debatable.

the part that's not debatable is that the bible is in no possible way mentioned in the constitution.

sent from pda.

 

[Bradley in DC]

waxing philosophical

While the investment mantra goes, "past performance is no guarantee of future profit," there is something to look at here. In our country's history, every time there has been three consecutive elections without anyone getting 50% of the vote, there has been a major political realignment. To be clear, I don't think this is a predictive RULE, but I do think it is an expression that the current political party alignment no longer reflects the political alignment of the populace.

The 1992, 1996 and 2000 elections met that criteria. Of course, we are all painfully aware that the incumbent won re-election in 2004. I think the three previous election do show a dissatisfaction with the current alignment. I posit that the "anticipated" realignment due in 2004 was postponed by extenuating circumstances (a re-election campaign so no internal Republican debate, an incredibly poor Democratic nominee, the first election after the worst terrorst event in our history, etc.).

Ergo (does that make me sound erudite?), the 2008 election campaign should prove interesting.

 

[angelatc]

Ergo (does that make me sound erudite?)

No but "erudite" does.